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From: MSN NicknameTweety134  (Original Message)Sent: 7/6/2008 4:25 PM
I have surely not finished this. But thought I would post it here so all could read and learn the truth. I wll post more later, there is alot to this study. You can see that I did not post any of Dake's commentaries on each of these. I did not want to be accused of following Dake. Dake gave these Biblical references in his study of the Contrast of Law and Grace. It is a very interesting study. We should only follow the WORD OF GOD right? Then read it and understand it.  See ya later on tonight. Going to see my son.  Tweety
 

Contrasts Between Law and Grace

  1. One is called the "the first covenant"

Hebrews 8:7 (KJV)
8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Hebrews 9:1-18 (KJV)
9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

2. The other is called the "second covenant"

Hebrews 10:1-9 (KJV)
10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

3. The first is called "the old covenant" & the second is called the "new covenant"

Matthew 26:28 (KJV)
26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Hebrews 8:13 (KJV)
8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
 

4. The first covenant was given by Moses & the second covenant was given by Jesus Christ

John 1:17 (KJV)
1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:19 (KJV)
3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Hebrews 9:15 (KJV)
9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Matthew 26:28 (KJV)
26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

5. One is the Law of Moses, the other is the Law of Christ:

Acts 13:39 (KJV)
13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Galatians 6:2 (KJV)
6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

6. One is the "law of sin" the other is the "law of righteousness" 

Romans 7:7-25 (KJV)
7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Romans 8:1-4 (KJV)
8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 9:31 (KJV)
9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

7. One is "Law of the flesh" the other is called "Law of the Spirit"

Romans 7:5-6 (KJV)
7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Romans 8:1-8 (KJV)
8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Galatians 5:16-26 (KJV)
5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

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Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

8. One is "not of faith", The other is the "law of faith"

Galatians 3:12 (KJV)
3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Romans 3:27 (KJV)
3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

9. One is the "yoke of bondage" & the other is the "law of liberty"

Galatians 5:1 (KJV)
5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

James 1:17-25 (KJV)
1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
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Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
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But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

 

 



 

 



 

 

 

 



 

 



 

 



 

 



 

 



 

 



 

 

 



 

 

 



 

 


 

 

 



 

 


 

 



 

 

 

 

 

 



 

 

 

 



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/6/2008 6:53 PM
Thank you for this very good study, Tweety.  It is so clear that only those who do not want truth would have trouble seeing it. 
 
We have done our job.  We have proven that the ten commandment law of Moses is not the Law of Christ, or the law we live by.
 
what others do with this is up to them.  We are clean from their blood, as we have instructed them in the way of righteousness.
 
Hope you have a good visit with your son.
 
Jo

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 Message 3 of 12 in Discussion 
From: DoveySent: 7/7/2008 12:38 AM
Everything was going along pretty good until I got to point  #5 on down which is full of misinterpretation.
 
I noticed also that you didn't quote the verse....Hbr 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
 
Notice Please:  That it says "a better covenant, which is established upon BETTER PROMISES.".   NOT better laws or no laws or different laws.
 
This is the "Foundation" on which to build on. If we build on a faulty foundation the rest of the study is not accurate. Trying to prove that God's law was at fault will not hold up, because God's law isn't faulty. Also, trying to say that Jesus has some other law can't be proven because Jesus obeyed the commandments of His Father. Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.  What Jesus is saying here is that if we keep HIS Commandments...we are keeping the Father's Commandments, because they are one and the same. 
 
However, Jesus took God's law to a higher level. God's commandments are not just a list of do's and don'ts.  It's is a spiritual law that governs all of humanity whether we believe in them or not. God the Father said that He would send His Son so that He would teach the true spiritual intent and application of HIS LAW.  Jesus came to live the law to show us.... as an example of the true intent of the commandments. Jesus "fulfilled"..."Magnified" the Law.  Isa 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make [it] honourable.
 
So....What was the fault of the Old Covenant??? Was it God's perfect and holy Law???  NOPE!!!! The fault with the Old Covenant were the PEOPLE!
Hbr 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
 
Notice now...with ISRAEL! That is where the fault was based. NOT GOD'S LAW...NOT GOD'S COMMANDMENTS.
 
The change in the New Covenant were the PROMISES  No longer needing the SACRIFICES of bulls or goats. No longer were the ritual and ceremonies involving sacrificing animals are needed because JESUS IS THE LAMB OF GOD....which was sacrificed once and for all. Also, we are told that we no longer need a high priest to enter the "holy of holies" each year for Jesus is now our High Priest who entered the "holy of holies" once and for all. Hbr 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.
 
Yes, a High priest who can understand our infirmities because He was born human and was tempted on all points like us. Hbr 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
 
So there you have it. Trying to build on a faulty premise will only result in a erroneous assumptions. God's Commandments have been elevated to a higher level for it deals with the heart of men. Also, God promised to send His Holy Spirit to help us in our walk of OBEDIENCE.
Hbr 10:16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].
 
We all know God hadn't given His Spirit to ancient Israel as a nation. So, the verse in Ezekiel is was speaking of a future time when after the Messiah Jesus would die in our stead and God would grant His Spirit to all who would believe.
 
LOVE DOVEY
 

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/7/2008 2:11 AM

2co 3:1 Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you? 2co 3:2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: 2co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshly tables of the heart. 2co 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 2co 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 2co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 2co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 2co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 2co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 2co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 2co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. 2co 3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 2co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 2co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ. 2co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart. 2co 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away. 2co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.


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From: MSN NicknameTweety134Sent: 7/7/2008 4:25 AM
Freeborn,
I have atleast 76 more point sto go in this study.  I did see that scriptural refernce though. Don't worry. I think Dake covered every scripture. It is interesting reading the scriptures, to see why he says what he does. It will be awhile before I finish this study. Pray that I will gain understanding of this.
 
Have a good night.
Tweety

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 Message 6 of 12 in Discussion 
From: DoveySent: 7/7/2008 7:49 AM
Freeborn:
In reply to your message #4...  On 2 Corinthians 3:
 
The subject here is not the doing away with laws but the change in administration of existing laws. Remember that Jesus said not one jot or tittle will pass from the law Matthew 5:18.  In Hebrews 8:10where the context is the Covenant, the New Covenant is shown to have laws, which will be written in our hearts.
 
Paul is making a comparison, showing the superiority of the ministry's responsibility under the New Covenant to the priesthood's responsibility under the Old. He compares ink with spirit, stone with flesh, letter with spirit (or intent), and death with life.
 
The "ministration of death" was Israel's civil administration for punishing violations of civil law. The laws were not done away, but the Old Covenant administration and enforcement of the law was set aside because the church does not have civil authority. It is that simple.
 
The church does not have civil authority over the state. However, the ministry has the opportunity to play a large part in the ministering of life to those God calls—through teaching and administering God's Word. Thus, the letter killed because the Old Covenant could not provide for life. Words—even of divine origin—cannot produce life. A vitalizing Spirit must be present to charge the words with transforming power.
 
Under the Old Covenant, God did not promise His Holy Spirit , forgiveness of sin, access into His presence, or eternal life. Jesus raised the civil law from its merely carnal application to the nation of Israel to its spiritual application to the church, which would be drawn from all of mankind, including, of course, the Gentiles.
 
LOVE DOVEY

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/7/2008 2:04 PM
Dovey, 
You are merely repeating men's false words.  You have no Scripture at all for what you are saying.
 
If you do,  you show me one single verse of Scripture which shows this   CIVIL LAW business.  No Scripture mentions any MORAL LAW   or ceremonial law.  it is lies of man.
 
iT IS not in all of the Word of God, neither testament.  Why?  It is a lie of man, made up to try to back up this FALSE TEACHING.
 
If it were true, it would HAVE TO BE WRITTEN in Scripture.  it is not.  Nothing you have said here is true to any scripture.
 
It is made up lies of man.  Jesus said,  the WORDS I SPEAK ARE SPIRIT    AND   THEY ARE   LIFE.
 
Now you turn around and say no words are life.  You do deny Jesus' own words here. 
 
Now I ask you to go back to your post 6,  and give me Scripture for each of those statements.  You need to do this, for your own sake.  not mine.  I already know nothing of this sort is in either testament.  It is  simply not God's word.  it is lies of man.
 
Now, you have a moral obligation to prove me wrong,  here, since I am calling every one of your statements LIES OF MAN.  You need to either prove what you said, or prove me wrong.
 
Also while you are at it,  prove that thing of CEREMONAL  law.  that also is NOT IN SCRIPTURE.  It is another lie of man.
 
God made no such distinction between   'certain laws'.  that is how the liars had to jump to make their false doctrine of,  we are still bound by the ten'.    stick.
 
So to shorten this,  I just say,  every statement you made here is FALSE AS CAN BE.
 
Love,
jO

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 Message 8 of 12 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameTweety134Sent: 7/8/2008 3:39 AM
Freeborn,
I think Dovey is right. I was reading Dake and he does break down every command that GOD gave MOSES AND others.
Some are Civil Law Commands, Some Moral Law Commands, & Cerominal Law & There are alot more commands.
 
All together there were about 2,900 commands JUST FOR MOSES ALONE FROM GOD. I just thought the 10 commandments were all we had to deal with.
But I see that the JEWISH people had many command and laws that came from GOD. And NOT THE PHARASEES.
 
NO wonder the 7th Day adventist only picked the Sabbath to observe. WHEW!
 
I will continue my study on the contrast of law and grace. Could not seem to find it in my Bible as easily as I can do it from my computer software of Dake Bible.
 
Have a good night.
Tweety

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 Message 9 of 12 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/8/2008 12:50 PM
Tweety,  I do not give a care what your false god Dake said.
 
I am talking about what the Word of God said. 
Now you are just walking in total darkness.   Guess you do not want any light, either.
 
Well you and Dovey just go right ahead and follow your false teachers into hell if you choose.  Denying God's word for these false teachers is A BIT FAT SIN.
 
Now you show me any of that mess in Scripture.
 
 
Don't come rebuking the TRUTH which I am teach, with something your Dake said!!!
 
And Dovey cannot rebuke the TRUTH which I teach with what those false teachers tell her.
 
You both better get into the KJV and study it for all your might.  You hate the LIGHT and love the DARKNESS.
 
Tweety, if you cross what I say again,  YOU HAD BETTER USE THE KJV,  NOT DAKE.  yOU ARE not studying the Word of God.  All you care for is what your false teach, Dake, said.  Stop rebuking Beffers or anyone else until you can get your own self straight!!
 
I guess I have laboured in vain to you.
 
have a good day.  it got to go somewhere.  will be back tonight.
 
jo

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 Message 10 of 12 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/9/2008 3:34 PM
Dovey and Tweety,  either of you, please show me Scripture which proves this kind of distinction between different kinds of law.
 
What Scriptures did your teachers use to prove this?  I cannot find any referrence to this kind of distinction between different kinds of law in the  Word.
 
If you can prove this, using Scripture, then I will change my stand on this.  But until then,  I say all of  God's law are the same and no difference is made in Scripture.  When Jesus nailed that LAW  to the cross, and took it out of the way,  he meant ALL OF IT.
 
That is why the adventist, under people like E. White,  made up this story,  to cover up their holding to a 'going-to-church-' on sat. be keeping that 4th.  they did this to make people fall into this trap and keep them going.
 
Dake got no revelation from  God, but merely followed what others before him, had already made up.
 
This kind of stuff proves it.
 
No Scripture,  that I can find,  shows this different 'KINDS' of laws,  so where did he get this?
 
Now one of you, or both of you,  show me the Word of God saying this,  else you do fight against HIS TRUTH and teach man's lies.  remember, if you cannot give Scripture for everything you say,  you best not say it.  For if you add to God's Word he will add the plagues of the Book to you.  This means all of us.
 
Jo

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From: DoveySent: 7/18/2008 2:36 AM
Dovey and Tweety,  either of you, please show me Scripture which proves this kind of distinction between different kinds of law.<Freeborn>
 
There is no "two types of law"..There is only ONE law from God....The Ten Commandments. They existed BEFORE Mt.Sinai and they will exist for eternity.  They existed before God wrote them on tablets of stone and they will exist forever. Other distinct parts of the Old Covenant were the civil laws and judgments, which gave DETAILED APPLICATIONS of the Ten Commandments.
 
The ceremonial rituals done by the priest (tribe of Levi) pictured the coming lamb of God which is Jesus. Who alone was able to redeem man from sin.
 
In the Old Covenant. The administration (the method in which the law was administered) was DEATH upon transgression. People stoned people.  It was a very harsh way to teach Israel how terrible sin is and that sin causes death.  Everything was done on a PHYSICAL level.
 
When we come to the New Covenant, the administration is different.  Same Ten Commandments but now when a person transgresses the Commandment, people don't get stoned to death.
 
Why is this possible? Because of Jesus' sacrifice.  No longer do we need to sacrifice Bulls and goats for the remission of sins. No longer do we need to apply the old administration of the law and stone people when they mess up on a commandment.
 
With Jesus' sacrifice we can now come before the Father with repentance from the heart.  God is always there ready to forgive and show mercy. This is why the New Covenant is BETTER.
 
In the Old Covenant the blessings were only physical to a physical nation. In the New Covenant the blessings are to all humans who obey and the reward is Eternal life.
 
Let us not forget to mention that through the New Covenant. God offers His Holy Spirit which gives us the power and strength to live as obedient sons/daughters of God.
2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
 
LOVE DOVEY

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/19/2008 2:32 PM
Dovey, you just refuse to study any of the many scriptures I have given you which prove solidly that the commandments of God are NOT the same thing as that law which was given at Mt sinai.
 
You have not one scripture saying that this 'LAW' existed before Moses.  I know that righteousness has never changed and never will change.  But it is not by LAW that we live a Holy godly life.
 
I see it is of no use telling you these things.  you flat refuse to even try to understand the Scriptures I have given you.  This is deliberate, self-blinding.  You are blinding your own heart to God's truth, which can set you  free.
You are not FREE, if you are bound by LAW.
 
that is what Jesus came for,  to set them free from that LAW.
Under that law, there is only CONDEMNATION.
 
In Christ,  free of law, there is no condemnation, for where there is no law, there is no sin.
 
Jesus gave us God's commandments or truth.  He said,  if someone asks to borrow, loan,  ASKING NOT AGAIN.
 
Now tell me, where does the ten teach that?  and if you never get away from that 4th, and get into the teachings of Christ, you will never be obeying God.
 
I say that 4th, for indeed you all prove it is the only one you consider, and you are ALL SO FAR FROM KEEPING IT, IT IS PITYFUL.
 
You are no where close to keeping it.  Everything you do is opposite of what Moses said to do.  You can claim there is some other way of keeping it all you want to,  it is lies of Satan.  God has not changed one thing about how to keep it, if you think you should.
 
You said:  The ceremonial rituals done by the priest (tribe of Levi) pictured the coming lamb of God which is Jesus. Who alone was able to redeem man from sin.
 
I ask you to prove one word of that with Scripture.  Show me where killing those animals pictured the coming of Jesus.  It is not in Scripture.  It is made up lies of man.
 
You said: 
In the Old Covenant. The administration (the method in which the law was administered) was DEATH upon transgression. People stoned people.  It was a very harsh way to teach Israel how terrible sin is and that sin causes death.  Everything was done on a PHYSICAL level.
 
When we come to the New Covenant, the administration is different.  Same Ten Commandments but now when a person transgresses the Commandment, people don't get stoned to death.
 
again you are teaching only lies of man here.  Nothing in Scripture supports this false teaching.
I have showed you that it was those words written on stone which God abolished.  but no, you and the adventist, change God's word and insert your own false doctrine.
 
That is the sin.  That is going against every commandment of God.
 
You simply do not want truth.  And i see nothing the word of God says can reach any adventist in this world.  It has you all in such blindness and bondage, that the Word of God means absolutely nothing to you.
 
You will twist every Scripture to try to fit it to your satanic doctrine,  Why?  why does going to church on /sat. mean so much to you all?  I do not get it.
 
Not one single Scripture teaches to do this, yet you all throw away salvation for it.  just does not make sense to me.
 
You cannot mix the old covenant with the new.  God said the old one waxed old, decayed and vanished away.
 
That ten written on stone is the OLD ONE.  It is sanctified with the blood of animals, not the blood of Jesus.
 
So when you go back to that ten old law, you are still under the blood of goats wheather you admit it or not.  in the end it will cost you eternal life and your soul.
 
You do set man's word above God's Word.  You are too blind to get anything out of God's word.
 
You flat deny the many Scriptures I gave you proving that the ten written on stone is the old decayed covenant, which Abarham was NOT UNDER.
 
Jesus said, if they smite you on one cheek, turn the other also.  Which commandment gives you that command of God?  Which one is it?
 
Jesus said, if they ask you to go with them a mile, go with them twain.  which commandment is that one?
 
Jesus said, blessed is the pure in heart.  which one is that?  which commandment makes you pure in heart?
 
Jesus said, those who hunger for righteousness shall be filled.  which one is that?  How does the law fill you with righteousnes?  And if it could there was no need for Jesus or the Holy Ghost.
 
Jesus said, nothing which enters the body through the mouth, can defile us,  yet your church teaches law, by which certain foods defile us.  It is not of God.  yet your church knows more about these things than Jesus did!!
 
You are off out into such darkness, you cannot find any light.
 
Love,
Jo

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