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From: MSN NicknameTweety134  (Original Message)Sent: 11/18/2007 12:36 PM

 

Contrasts between the Old and New Covenants

Contrasts between the old and new covenants prove that they were two distinct covenants made for different purposes and to be in force at different times:

1.     One is called "the first covenant"; the other "the second covenant" (Heb. 8:7; 9:1-18; 10:1-9).

2.     The first is called "the old covenant"; the second is called "the new covenant" (Matt. 26:28; 2 Cor. 3; Heb. 8:13).

3.     The first covenant was given by Moses; the second by Jesus Christ (John 1:17; Gal. 3:19; Heb. 9:15: Matt. 26:28).

4.     One is "the law of Moses"; the other "the law of Christ" (Acts 13:39; Gal. 6:2).

5.     One is "the law of sin"; the other is "the law of righteousness" (Rom. 7:7-25; 8:1-4; 9:31).

6.     One is the law of "the flesh"; the other is "the law of the Spirit" (Rom. 7:5, 6; 8:1-4; Gal. 5:16-26).

7.     One is "not of faith"; the other is "the law of faith" (Gal. 3:12; Rom. 3:27).

8.     One is the "yoke of bondage"; the other is "the law of liberty" (Gal. 5:1; James 1:18-25).

9.     One is brought to an end by Christ (Rom. 10:4; 2 Cor. 3:14; Heb. 10:9); the other is established by Christ (Heb. 8:6; 9:15; 10:9; 2 Cor. 3:6-18; Matt. 26:28).

10.   One brought death; the other brought life (2 Cor. 3:6-18; Rom. 8:1-4; Gal. 3:21; Heb. 9:15; 10:1-18).

11.   One makes guilty (Rom. 3:19-20); the other justifies or makes not guilty (Acts 13:39; Rom. 3:21-31; 5:1-11).

12.   One is "a shadow of things to come"; the other is the reality (Col. 2:14-17; Heb. 10:1-18).

13.   One is "fulfilled" or completed; the other is still in force (Matt. 5:17, 18; 2 Cor. 3:6-18; Heb. 10:9).

14.   One demanded righteousness; the other gave righteousness (Luke 10:28; Rom. 8:1-4; Gal. 3:1-29; 5:1-26).

15.   One made nothing perfect; the other made perfect (Heb. 7:19).

16.   One was glorious; the other was more glorious (2 Cor. 3).

17.   One was powerless to save from sin; the other saves to the uttermost (Heb. 7:11-28; 8:7-13; 9:9-28; 10:1-18).

18.   One had many sacrifices; the other had only one (Heb. 9:9-14; 10:14; Rom. 6:6-13).

19.   One had a changeable priesthood; the other did not (Heb. 7:23-28; 4:14-16; Rom. 8:34)

20.   One remembered sins; the other forgets sin (Heb. 10:3; 8:12; etc.).

21.   One had a representative and a seasonal access to God (Heb. 9:7-10); the other had a personal and daily access to God (Heb. 4:14-16; 7:25; 10:19, 20; Eph. 2:18).

22.   One had a sinful ministry (Heb. 5:1-4); the other had a sinless ministry (Heb. 7:26-28; 2 Cor. 3; 1 John 3:9).

23.   One was given under the Levitical priesthood (Heb. 7:11, 12); the other under the present Melchizadek priesthood (Heb. 6:20; 7:11-21, 24).

24.   One had an earthly tabernacle service of animal sacrifices (Heb. 9:1-10); the other had a heavenly tabernacle service of spiritual salvation (Heb. 4:14-16; 7:25; 8:1-5; 9:11-15).

25.   One had a sinful mediator (Gal. 3:19); the other had a sinless mediator (1 Tim. 2:5; Heb. 7:26; 1 Pet. 2:22).

26.   One had no eternal inheritance (Rom. 4:13); the other had an eternal inheritance (Rom. 8:17; Heb. 9:15; 1 Pet. 1).

27.   One was ratified by animal blood (Ex. 29:1-8; Heb. 9:16-22); the other by the blood of Christ (Matt. 26:28).

28.   One was a law of works; the other a law of grace (John 1:17; Rom. 3:2431, Gal. 3:10-12; Eph. 2:8, 9).

29.   One brought wrath (Rom. 4:15); the other brought salvation from wrath (Rom. 5:9; Gal. 3:13, 14).

30.   One could not redeem; the other could (Gal. 3:10-14; Rom. 8:1-4; Eph. 1:7; Col. 1:14; Heb. 7:25).

31.   One could not satisfy God's demands; the other one did (Gal. 2:21; Heb. 7:22; 8:6; 10:5-18).

32.   One made no provision for doing miracles; the other one provided for them (Gal. 3:1-5; 1 John 5:8; John 14:12; Luke 24:49).

33.   Prophecy foretold the abolishing of one and the establishing of the other (Isa. 51:4; Jer. 31:33; Acts 3:22; Heb. 8:7-13; 10:4-18; Rom. 11:25-29).

34.   One had a fleshly sign of obedience (Acts 7:8; Rom. 2:25); the other did not (Rom. 4:11; 1 Cor. 7:18).

35.   One was too weak to overcome sin; the other gave victory over sin (Rom. 6:1-23; 8:1-4; Eph. 2:8, 9; 1 John 5:1-18).

36.   One was made to be changed (Heb. 7:11-22; 8:5, 6; 9:9, 10; 10:1-18; Gal. 3:19-24); the other was made to be unchanged (Heb. 7:22; 8:6; 10:9; 13:20).

 

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 Message 16 of 30 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/7/2008 1:40 AM
There you go, thinking for God again.  And jumping the gun. Do you not have any concrete truth to teach?
 
I suppose you should tell the Apostles who said the Spirit gives utternance when He comes into us, that they had it all messed up.  Tell Paul he was all messed up,  telling those people  I would that you ALL speak in tongues?  and...I speak in tongues more than you all......upps,  look out there bro Paul... stop that boasting!  Dovey will slam you an a disobedient rebel!
and it is a COMMAND FROM JESUS TO HEAL THE SICK.   but, little 'obedient'  dovey, thinks it is of no value.  No sire.  let those sick people stay sick, or go pay a doctor and not let God be glorified.
 
Did you know that Jesus also paid the price for our healing in his attonement death?  By his stripes we are HEALED....but miss dovey scoffs this.  away with that healing .  it is just boasting. 
 
Think I smell a rat here.  you just do not have any faith, and you are trying to cover it up with this smeer tatic.  Better watch out.  God knows what is in that little darkened heart of yours!
 
So you do not think much of healing?  Sure do not know much about the true God, do you?
 
So what do you have against it?  God said the MANIFESTATION of the Spirit is given to EVERY MAN TO PROFIT WITH.
 
sO THAT leaves you out?  You have nothing to prosper with.  Why do you consider rejoicing in the Things of the Holy Ghost,  boasting?  That sure is a pityful way to think on the things of God.
 
I do not know any Todd Bently. Do not care.  what God does in MY life is real and precious.  You would do well not to mock things which you know nothing about, due to your dead religion.
 
So God wants us to obey.  I am fully agreeing.  so why not obey the commandment in Acts 10?  why have you not obeyed that NT COMMANDMENT, IN ORDER TO GET YOUR SINS REMITTED?
 
Those ten commandments of the law of moses will never remit your sins.  God did not set it that way.
 
He set it,  be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST ,  for the remission of sins,  and be filled with the Holy Ghost.  (and your dead religion can never change this either.)
 
nOW YOU CAN mock this all you wish, and pretend you have a better thing,  but in the end, you will lose your soul, for you are trying to get in some other way;  not the way God set.
 
sO  how are you obedient?  AND YOU think the precious manifestation of God's Spirit is something to scoff at?  In preference of WHAT?
 
running to some false cult on Sat.?  That is better than the manifestation of the Spirit of God?
 
Girl, you are in pityful darkness!   But this is how you want it.  so nothing I can do for you.  so go on in your darkness, and DEAD RELIGION.  So if a false prophet can do many wonderous works,  Do you think that a true prophet can do nothing?  is that your reasoning?
 
Sure obey from the heart......but why do you not obey it?  That is the big question.  You think you can just look into God's word, and delete anything you do not approve of?  And that is obedience?  Goodness gracious, such darkened reasoning!
 
Thank you Lord Jesus, for giving me your sweet Holy Ghost and an understanding heart.
 
Jo

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(1 recommendation so far) Message 17 of 30 in Discussion 
From: DoveySent: 8/7/2008 1:43 AM
Jesus never told anyone to live by law or to keep any sabbath. 
Just because you say God CHANGED how to do it, does not make it so.
 
HE CHANGED THE ENTIRE LAW.  Jesus is not a PRIEST of that old covenant.<FREEBORN>
 
 I'm sorry but Jesus being High priest has nothing to do with coming up with a DIFFERENT law. Same law...freeborn...only with better understanding. Jesus taught the true intent of the SAME LAW.  You think He came to invent some other different law.  That goes against what He said.....Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
 
Jesus brought out the TRUE INTENT OF THE SAME LAW.  I know I mentioned this  before,but I guess I have to keep on mentioning it
 
You also keep posting verses in Romans as if Paul is telling us God throw out His Commandments
 
Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Ro 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Ga 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.


The above verses shows what a Christian is living as..... = not under law.....BUT,  see the contrast?   under grace. <FREEBORN>
 
Yes... you teach that Grace means NO LAW but you're very very wrong. You keep posting verses in which you add other meanings.  Like WOG mentioned earlier....Grace is freedom to OBEY God from the heart.  God DID NOT have to throw out His Commandments in order for us to be forgiven.  Jesus' death is what justifies us.
 
Romans 6:15 says..."What then? shall we SIN, because we are not under the law,but under grace? GOD FORBID."
 
SIN IS THE TRANGRESSION OF THE LAW!!!! I John 3:4.    Absolutely 100% clear as to what God says is SIN.
Scripture does NOT contradict itself, so your interpretation is all wrong.
 
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
 
DOVEY

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 Message 18 of 30 in Discussion 
From: DoveySent: 8/7/2008 1:52 AM
 be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST ,  for the remission of sins,  and be filled with the Holy Ghost.  <Freeborn>
 
Who is denying getting baptized??? What does that have to do with the Ten Commandments?????  BELIEVERS GET BAPTIZED.  I agree with that 100%.  Getting baptized does not mean we throw out God's Ten Commandments.  I really don't see your point here.
 
DOVEY

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 Message 19 of 30 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/7/2008 1:57 AM
So, dovey thinks that God does not concentrate on healing?  what then?  running to some synagogue on sat?
 
HUM....let's see now.....what did Jesus think about this>>>
<NOBR>Mt 4:23</NOBR> And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
<NOBR>Mt 4:24</NOBR> And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatic, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

opps, there he goes, boasting and getting fame..healing all those sick folks and casting out devils....does your Bently do this also?  guess that scares you?  Bet any moving of the Holy Ghost would scare you.  yes sure it would.

Let's see some more:

<NOBR>Mt 8:6</NOBR> And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.
<NOBR>Mt 8:7</NOBR> And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.


Opps, there you go again, Jesus,  boasting some more,  I will come and heal him......but.. God does not want you concentrating on healing folks!

<NOBR>Mt 8:16</NOBR> When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:  (REALLY?  ALL THAT WERE SICK? MY GOODNESS, DOVEY WILL SPIT IN YOUR FACE!)
<NOBR>Mt 8:17</NOBR> That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.


Hum, God even had his prophets to fortell of all this boasting,  opps, meant healing.

<NOBR>Mt 9:35</NOBR> And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.


Now guess those adventist in his day, sure hated all this boasting and healing all those sick folks.

  Jesus you need to be obeying ten commandments, (you know, stop killing; stop stealing; stop dishonouring your parents, etc.)  and stop wasting God 's time healing all these sick folks.

Just keep that sabbath;  that is all that matters, you know.

 

Dovey's ministry!  So now,  go tell Jesus he had it ALL WRONG.

And of course you know there is  LOTS MORE WHERE THIS CAME FROM......later....same thing with those old boasting Apostles....nerve of them. teaching to baptize in the name of JEsus to get your sins remitted.......all that is necessary is get to that synagogue on sat.  live it up the rest of the week.

 

hum.......Well, I for one, do not ascribe to your pukie doctrine!

Know why?  because Jesus said,  THESE SAME THINGS SHALL YOU DO AND MORE.....THESE SAME SIGNS SHALL FOLLOW THE    BELIEVERS....SO PROVES YOU ARE NOT A BELIEVER.

 

cASE CLOSED.


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 Message 20 of 30 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/7/2008 2:02 AM
tHE point is   DID YOU GET BAPTIZED AS HE SAID TO  =  IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS?
 
dID you do it that way?  or did you change it, as you are changing all these other verses, with your total lack of knowledge of truth?
 
What does it have to do with ten commandments?  Absolutely NOTHING!  iT IS THE COMMANDMENT GIVEN TO GET OUR SINS REMITTED.  tHAT OLD LAW NEVER TOOK AWAY ANY SINS.
 
IT DID NOT BECAUSE IT COULD NOT.
 
I am not giving any false interpretation.  YOU ARE.  I did not have to interpret it.  It says what it says......we are NOT UNDER THE LAW.
 
What needs to be interpreted of that?  You are misinterpeting it,  by DENYING WHAT IT SAYS.
 
nO you can't see any truth, because that old law has BLINDED YOU AS THE WORD OF GOD SAYS IT WILL.
 
nOW, quite beating around the bush...answer plainly,  DID YOU OBEY THE COMMAND IN ACTS 10?  hE COMMANDED THEM TO BE BAPTIZED IN THE  NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.
 
Did you do that?

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 Message 21 of 30 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/7/2008 2:10 AM
I am trying to get you to see that there are OTHER COMMANDMENTS, MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN THOSE TEN, WHICH IS THE ABOLISHED OLD LAW.
 
It does NOT mean that we go out and sin.  It means we are now in the New Covenant, of grace, where there is no sin.  As long as you claim to keep the works of that law,  you will never have salvation, for it is not by the works of that law.
 
that law, or rather being under it,  is CONDEMNATION.  You refuse to let the Word of God reveal itself to you, for you do not like the things of the New Covenant.
 
God did not write that old law in their or our hearts.  He wrote the new covenant in our heart, by the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.
 
Since you obviously hate the Holy Ghost, you could not possibly ever have this or understand it.
 
I was trying to show you that there are NT COMMANDMENTS which are valid, and are not of that old law.  NT commandments, which bring salvation, but which you refuse to obey.  So you are the one not obeying God's commandments.  That COMMANDMENT IN ACTS 10 IS A COMMANDMENT OF GOD.  Like it or not!!
 
Where does that old law teach you to bring every thought under subjection to Christ?
 
Where did it teach you to heal the sick?  This is why you scoff at these wonderful works of the faith of the Holy Ghost.
 
believing is having FAITH.  you have none.  running to a 'church' on sat is not a manifestation of FAITH, nor does it prove one is a believer.
 
dOING the works of Christ is the proof, of which you spit at.
 
jO

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From: DoveySent: 8/7/2008 2:24 AM
I am trying to get you to see that there are OTHER COMMANDMENTS, MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN THOSE TEN, WHICH IS THE ABOLISHED OLD LAW.<Freeborn>
 
No other law is MORE important than God's Ten Commandments..because all the other laws are BASED ON the Ten Commandments.
 
Just because God tells us to be baptized, to feed the poor, to visit the widows and orphans, to pray for healing, to speak in tongue..etc...etc.....DOES NOT MEAN WE THROW OUT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.
 
The First 4 tell us how to love God and the last 6 tell us how to love our neighbor.  When we care for others from the heart that is leaving the Ten Commandments Freeborn. When we love God from the heart that's obeying the first 4.
 
It's not what we think is right that matters..it's what God thinks is right or wrong..and he shows us through the Ten Commandments.
 
DOVEY

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From: DoveySent: 8/7/2008 2:27 AM

Dovey's ministry!  So now,  go tell Jesus he had it ALL WRONG.<FREEBORN>

I think you're the one telling Jesus He is all wrong..when He has specifically said..He did NOT come to destroy the law.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

DOVEY


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 Message 24 of 30 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/7/2008 4:19 AM
Dovey, Jesus fulfilled the whole law, and LAID IT AWAY.  He nailed it to his cross and took it out of the way, for it was the enemity.  this is plainly taught in Scripture.  I have already shown you over and over,  scripture saying this.  You just refuse to listen to the Word.
 
It is a dangerous thing to just keep on and one rejecting the Word of God as you are doing.
 
No, those commandments DO NOT TELL YOU    HOW to love God or your neighbor.  It only COMMANDS you to do it.
 
Why would you think that law more important, when the Word plainly says that it cannot give live.....and yet the COMMANDMENTS taught by Jesus do give life.
 
The COMMANDMENT in Acts 10  DOES, if you have repented and receive the holy ghost.
 
This commadment gets your sins REMITTED.  Hebrews plainly shows that no sins were ever remitted under that old law.  It could not do this, and that is why God ABOLISHED IT and brought in a new and better covenant.
 
Jesus did fulfill that law,  so he could abolish it.  He gave us a much better way of serving God.  It is in the Spirit, and you must worship God in TRUTH AND IN SPIRIT.
 
That law cannot give this.    obeying a command,  to not kill someone,   IS NOT WORSHIPPING GOD IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH.  It has nothing to do with worship.
 
None of those law are WORSHIP.  It is not the right way of serving God, and this is exactly why none of you law folks know anything at all about the worship in the HOLY GHOST.
 
We do not have to throw out the ten commandments,  BUT IT IS NOT THE WAY OF SERVING AND WORSHIPPING GOD.  it is not his way at all.
 
having the HOLY GHOST IS THE WAY OF GOD.  God sent us the Holy Ghost to LEAD US AND GUIDE US INTO ALL TRUTH.  It is not that law.  It is the Holy Ghost.
 
Your church does not lead you to the HG, so it is cheating you of salvation.  It does not baptize you in the name of JEsus Christ, so it is cheating you of having your sins remitted.  so no salvation!
 
When one has the HG, what need does he have of a law, saying   do not kill?  Can you not see something this simple?
 
I am not a murderer  so I do not need that law.  I have never needed it.  for I have never had any desire to kill.  nor steal. not any of those other things.  I hate sin.
 
Can you not see this?  The law does not teach us to heal the sick,  yet it is commanded us by God.  it does not teach us to cast out devils,  yet God commands us to do that.  and many more.  law does not give anyone righteousness!!!!!
 
p.s.  if you cannot see this, refuse it, and still fight this clear teaching, when I am too tired toeven move my arms,  I am finished with trying to deal with you.  You may still post but I will ignore it.  I am tired of giving you this over and over and you blind your own eyes to it.

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From: DoveySent: 8/7/2008 8:37 AM
I am not a murderer  so I do not need that law.  I have never needed it.  for I have never had any desire to kill.  nor steal. not any of those other things.  I hate sin.<Freeborn>
 
That's because you are obeying the commandment that says."thou shalt not kill"..you KNOW it's sin.  Samething about stealing.  Do you see how that works?? That is why scripture says that a christian is NOT under the law.
 
They are law abiding.
 
DOVEY

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/7/2008 3:52 PM
No, Dovey.  It is NOT because of the ten commandments.  It is because of the Holy Ghost which God gave me.  It is because of a righteous spirit which was in me as a child.
 
I never even think of needing to obey some law.  Righteousness lives inside me.  this is why you who claim to keep the law will never know what it really means to Have God living inside you.  He does not reside in those who return to law, after Jesus did away with this bondage and gave us freedom.
 
You still refuse to deal with the fact that NONE of the people had the ten commandments before the time of Moses.  So how did Abraham have FAITH and live a Godly life?
 
You refuse this obvious fact.
 
So, fine .  You do not want the NT salvation, you are welcome to your bondage, and at the end,  destruction, because you refuse the chosen plan of God.  You refuse to acknowledge that God never gave the law to any righeous people, but to the wicked.  It is for the purpose of CONDEMNATION.   Again you refuse this truth of God.
 
Your church made up their own religion, in defiance of God's and Jesus' teachings.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/7/2008 4:25 PM
Wog, when I quote Scripture, that is not my word,  that is God's word.  This entire site if FULL of messages I write, which are FULL of perfectly quoted Scripture, which is God's word.
You know nothing about god's word.  All you have is the words of your CULT.
 
I already gave you scripture proof that Jesus took the law out of the way, when he died on the cross.  It is just that you are too blind to see it and you do reject the Word of God, in favor of your cult's lies.
 
but here it is again.
<NOBR>Col 2:12</NOBR> Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
<NOBR>Col 2:13</NOBR> And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
<NOBR>Col 2:14</NOBR> Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
<NOBR>Col 2:15</NOBR> And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
<NOBR>Col 2:16</NOBR> Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
<NOBR>Col 2:17</NOBR> Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

<NOBR>Eph 2:14</NOBR> For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
<NOBR>Eph 2:15</NOBR> Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
<NOBR>Eph 2:16</NOBR> And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
<NOBR>Eph 2:17</NOBR> And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.


I have posted these same scriptures so many times, I have lost count.  You are deaf and cannot hear.  You refuse to read them and let God show you HIS truth.  This is God's word, not mine.  I am quoting his word.  but you refuse it.

<NOBR>2co 3:6</NOBR> Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. (THAT LETTER IS THE LAW)iT KILLS.
<NOBR>2co 3:7</NOBR> But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:(NOW IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THIS VERSE, YOU NEED TO GO SOAK YOUR HEAD AND FORGET RELIGION.  IT IS CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT THE TEN c. LAW IS WHAT IS THE DEATH.  IT IS THE ONLY THING WRITTEN ON STONE.)
<NOBR>2co 3:8</NOBR> How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
<NOBR>2co 3:9</NOBR> For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. (HERE HE CLEARLY SHOWS THAT THE LAW, WRITTEN ON STONE, WAS ALSO  CONDEMNATION, AS I KEEP TELLING YOU.)
<NOBR>2co 3:10</NOBR> For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
<NOBR>2co 3:11</NOBR> For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
<NOBR>2co 3:12</NOBR> Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
<NOBR>2co 3:13</NOBR> And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:(HE IS CLEARLY TELLING US HERE THAT THE LAW, WRITTEN ON STONE, WAS ABOLISHED.)  SO NOW YOU CALL THIS A LIE!
<NOBR>2co 3:14</NOBR> But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ.


I have all these scripture here, in many other posts, where I took the time and labour to first put them into my word processer to take out the gobble-de-gook.  It will not take it out when I paste directly from my cd to the board.  But I am tired .  I have laboured many day s of my life trying to show you people the real truth.  You refuse it in preferrence of your cults' lies.  so now, you can read through it, or look at the other posts.  better yet.  look them up in  your own Scripture, if you have such a thing. 

ANYONE WHO CAN READ THE ABOVE VERSE, AND STILL CLAIM THAT WE NEED OR HAVE THE TEN C. TODAY, IS FULL OF SATAN AND HATES GOD'S TRUTH.

<NOBR>Heb 7:12</NOBR> For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
<NOBR>Heb 7:13</NOBR> For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
<NOBR>Heb 7:14</NOBR> For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
<NOBR>Heb 7:15</NOBR> And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
<NOBR>Heb 7:16</NOBR> Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
<NOBR>Heb 7:17</NOBR> For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
<NOBR>Heb 7:18</NOBR> For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
<NOBR>Heb 7:19</NOBR> For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
<NOBR>Heb 7:20</NOBR> And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
<NOBR>Heb 7:21</NOBR> (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)
<NOBR>Heb 7:22</NOBR> By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
<NOBR>Heb 7:23</NOBR> And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
<NOBR>Heb 7:24</NOBR> But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
<NOBR>Heb 7:25</NOBR> Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
<NOBR>Heb 7:26</NOBR> For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
<NOBR>Heb 7:27</NOBR> Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
<NOBR>Heb 7:28</NOBR> For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.


The above solidly proves that Jesus Christ is NOT A MINISTER OF THE OLD LAW, BUT OF THE NEW.  THAT PRIESTHOOD WAS CHANGED, AND THAT NECESSITATED A NEW LAW.  tHIS MANY Scriptures, all agree ing that the ten commadment law, written on stone, was the enmity, and was abolished, done away with, cannot be wrong and your cult right!

To deny this much Scripture is outright rebellion against Christ and God and NT salvation!

LIKE IT OR NOT.  Jesus is not of that old covenant.  He is not the mediator of that covenant.  Moses is.  He did not replace Moses.  He has a new covenant and a new priesthood, and a new law, all his own.

So you just stay right there, with the old pharisses, on that seat of Moses until you die .  Then you will drop off into hell, for you have crucified Christ anew and put him to an open shame,  claiming we still need that old law of condemnation.

claiming we cannot live Holy and Godly without a law.  claimig that the Holy Ghost is not for us and is not the one who leads us and guides us into all truth.  shame on both of you.

I cast the shame back on you, for you are casting shame on Jesus, who died to set us free from the curse of that old law.  It was  A CURSE.


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