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P.s. some of our early work..lovely posts! | From: joie (Original Message) | Sent: 7/13/2002 12:36 AM | | 
~~~~~LAW IS DEATH ~~~~~~ Please listen to what the WORD is saying; don't let your preconceived thoughts cause you to see something that is NOT there. Go back and READ 11Cor. 3:7--But if the ministration of DEATH, written and engraven in STONES, (those two tablets Moses had; which God wrote on with his fingers) (but it did not say He wrote his Word there; not so! NO! He said He wrote the ministration of DEATH on those stones). Everyone, you need to stop and READ THIS. v7--But if the ministration of DEATH, WRITTEN AND ENGRAVEN in STONES was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away. Look at it -------- read it!!!!!!!! What did it say was written on those stones?????? The ministration of DEATH. Now I ask you, everyone who may read this ------ IF JESUS SAID MY WORDS ARE LIFE ---------- HOW IN THIS WORLD ARE THEY WHAT WAS WRITTEN ON THOSE STONES??????????? HUH???????? DID NOT HE SAY THIS WAS DEATH WRITTEN ON THOSE STONES??????? HOW THEN COULD IT HAVE BEEN HIS WORD??????? It was the ministration of the LAW----- that was death----- that is the letter------ that is what kills--- that is what was written on stones------ that was Moses law. That is what Paul is speaking of in Romans 7- when he said v9---For I was ALIVE without ---------------- he said I was ALIVE WITHOUT THE LAW You law keepers, read this: ------ v9--I WAS ALIVE WITHOUT THE LAW ONCE: BUT WHEN THE COMMANDMENT (LAW) CAME, SIN REVIVED, AND I (WHAT??????????) AND I DIED. There you have it---- man was ALIVE without the LAW------ why??????? Because the law (letter) KILLS. So he was dead. If you go back under that law willfully, you, too, will be DEAD. It was the ministration of DEATH --- THE LETTER KILLS------------ THE LAW KILLS------ MAN WAS ALIVE WITHOUT THE LAW-----------THE LAW CAME--------SIN REVIVED--------MAN DIED. How could you miss this???????????????????????????? Romans: 7--v4-----wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become DEAD to the law by the body of Christ; (see, that the body; or the true church makes us dead to that law???? How then could you be in that body, and still be married to that law? can't be )-- that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the DEAD (NO LONGER UNDER THAT LAW)--- that we should bring forth fruit unto God. v5--For when we were in the FLESH (this does not mean when we were in the Word)_______ It could not mean that!!!!!!! (nor does it mean when we were in our body; for we are always in our body)(it means where we were in the law)----the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. Now this very clearly shows that when mankind was under that law, the motions of sins, which were by the law; (hear that, it was BY THE LAW)--it brought forth fruit unto DEATH - NOT LIFE. So that law was DEATH. THE WORD IS LIFE. WHAT A CONTRAST!!!!!!!! Romans 8:9---But ye are NOT in the FLESH, but in the SPIRIT, is so be that the SPIRIT of God dwell in you. Now, if the Spirit of God (Holy Ghost) is in me I am NOT in the FLESH------------ so does this mean I am not in my BODY????????????????? Of course not!!!!!!!!! How could it mean that????????? So then, we have clearly established right here that the FLESH does NOT mean the HUMAN BODY. Now back to cp. 7:10-- And the COMMANDMENT, (law) which was ordained to life, I found to be unto DEATH. So the law brought DEATH ------------- SO HOW COULD IT BE THE WORD??????????? The words are LIFE. So how could they bring DEATH????? Could not be so. v11--For sin, taking occasion by the COMMANDMENT, deceived me (see,SIN by the law deceived him = man kind)---and by it ( the law)----- SLEW ME. There you have it!!!!! The law was death to mankind. So it could not be the WORD. The WORD IS LIFE. IF IT IS LIFE-------- HOW COULD IT KILL??????????? IF IT KILLS US HOW THEN IS IT LIFE??????????????? Paul is plainly saying that mankind, before the LAW was alive; but after they were placed under LAW,,,,, they (mankind) died = were DEAD. So he is asking Who will or can deliver me from this law// WHO CAN DELIVER ME FROM THE BODY OF THIS DEATH??? What did he mean???????? He meant who can deliver us from that body of the LAW, which was DEATH. That 'body' means that group of people with Moses under the law. Paul was in that group, or body, before he came to Jesus. Jesus, His words set Paul free from that body of death. Jesus Christ did. How???????? By giving us the Word of God; by giving us GRACE. Joie,  
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| From: joie | Sent: 7/13/2002 1:16 PM | | There is a fine line of understand between what the 'laws' of God are and THE LAW. Believe it or not, THERE IS A VAST DIFFERENCE. I am sure only the Holy Ghost can reveal this to someone. I will not even attempt to do so. God's laws existed from the very beginning; they will always exist. But for man to live under LAW is not God's choice for us. Read what I wrote in Romans 7- where Paul said man was ALIVE once WITHOUT the LAW. Don't you see, that this has to mean that the LAW did not exist as such, in the beginning of man's life on this earth. He said BUT THE LAW ENTERED-------- this means it came in----- which shows it was not there to begin with------ and then I died. See, when Moses gave them LAW, they died. They (man) was no longer alive. Jesus had to come and give us LIFE--- by His Word ----- the Holy Ghost. To go back to LAW now, is to become a bond child ------ not heirs with the children of the free woman = Jesus. His 'laws' in the N.T. consist of Peter's and Paul's teachings. They COMMAND men every where to repent and BE BAPTIZED IN WATER IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. That is our LAW. Without obeying this law, there will be no salvation. Joie | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 7/13/2002 1:18 PM | Romans 9:17~~~~~ For the SCRIPTURE saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Gal. 4:30~~ Nevertheless what saith the SCRIPTURE? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewomen. Gal. 3:8~~ And the SCRIPTURE, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, PREACHED before the gospel unto Abraham, saying In thee shall all natins be blessed.
Now, look at Romans 9:17~~~~~How, and when did the SCRIPTURE talk to Pharaoh?? As far as we know, there were no written Word at that time. Now Gal. 3:8~~~~~ How, and when did the SCRIPTURE preach the gospel to to Abraham?? Now, Gal.4:30~ How and when did the SCRIPTURE say to cast out the bond child? I do not mean where is it recorded in the written word ---- but rather, how and when did the SCRIPTURE first say this ----- by letting Sarah know this? See, you do not understand the WORD. All this took place BEFORE any recorded, written Word appeared; at least so far as we know. So, how was this accomplished? How did the Scripture talk to Pharaoh and tell him that he raised him up for that purpose???????? Know you not that if you are under the LAW, you are the son of the bondwoman????? And that the son of the bondwoman is not heir with the son of the freewoman? The LAW is bondage = bound. So is you are under law, you are bond children. You cannot be bond children and children of the free woman = New Jerusalem ---- . You are either one or the other. The Spirit and the Word are ONE; but you are trying to separate them. Will not work. The word is life. To deny this is to call Jesus a lie | |
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| From: isaiah | Sent: 7/13/2002 9:53 PM | | 
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| | |  In this scripture he had to be calling scripture the spoken word of God. Here God was talking to Pharoah and Pharoah said in Ex.5:2 -- And Pharaoh said, Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go. ( voice here same as the spoken word.) This is proof that the word was God,not Jesus or the law as some say. | John 1:1 | In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. | God was in Christ,the word was in Christ.It is not that Jesus was the Word. | John 001:014 | And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. | The Flesh was the word-- SPIRTIUAL FOOD WHAT WE ARE TO EAT. The Word of God. - Rev.-10:9
- And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
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| From: Dawn | Sent: 7/13/2002 10:34 PM | | Dear Isaiah, What a beautiful post; what a beautiful, beautiful message. I see this so clearly!! The way you brought this out, I don't see how anyone could fail to see this. I also found another passage saying the same thing: Jer. 15:16---Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name O LORD God of hosts. (who is this saying they are called by God's name?) Them it seems to me that the 'eating' of those trees in the Garden of Eden is this same kind of eating: hearing the Word of God. Right? I remember another passage saying I esteeme thy word more than my necessary food. So the spiritual food is more necessary than the natural food. The Word is God; Jesus brought us God; Jesus brought us God's spoken Word. How beautiful. That is how God was with us in Jesus. What a great revelation! Thank you for this truth; for giving it to us in words we can understand (or eat). Dawn | |
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| From: isaiah | Sent: 7/14/2002 4:44 AM |  
 | | | Math.26:26- And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. | 026:027 | And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; | | 026:028 | For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sin | John 6:48-63 | 006:048 | I am that bread of life. | | 006:049 | Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. | | 006:050 | This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. | | 006:051 | I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. | | 006:052 | The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? | | 006:053 | Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. | | 006:054 | Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. | | 006:055 | For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. | | 006:056 | He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. | | 006:057 | As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. | | 006:058 | This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever. | 006:058 | This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for | | | 006:059 | These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum. | | 006:060 | Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? | | 006:061 | When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? | | 006:062 | What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? | | 006:063 | It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. | Acts 2:46-- And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 1COR--10:3-4-- | 010:003 | And did all eat the same spiritual meat; | | 010:004 | And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. | 1 Cor 11:24-25-- And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. | | | 011:025 | After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. | Rev.2:7--He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Rev.2:17- He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. 
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| From: pillar | Sent: 7/14/2002 12:44 PM | | (2 COR 10:2) But I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present
with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against
some, which think of us as if we walked according to the
[flesh. letter]
(2 COR 10:3) For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the
flesh:letter
(2 COR 10:4) (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty
through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
its not how we interpret the flesh or letter, its God who does the work, so rest with me and believe the Word
(2 COR 10:5) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth
itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into
captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
(2 COR 10:6) And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when
your obedience is fulfilled.
(2 COR 10:7) Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? the outward appearence of the letter or Word ,If any man
trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think
this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.
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| From: joie | Sent: 7/15/2002 6:39 PM | | |  That is a lovely post Isaiah; and a very good message. Pillar has some good thoughts also. This is a very deep subject. The end is beyond us. But I want to tell you something God has been showing me. I will not go into much detail right now. I want to make a full message on this very soon. I am studying it; also I am very tired right now. I will just say this short summary of what I am seeing. Maybe you all can help me get more into this. The NATURAL things are on our part; our side. What ever we do here is NATURAL. That is all we are capable of. What is SPIRITUAL is on God's part; his side. He is the only one who can accomplish anything Spiritual. He is a SPIRIT; so whatsoever He does is SPIRITUAL. We are natural; so whatsoever we do is natural. Only when it is accepted by God and acted on by Him in the Heavenly Word, does it become Spiritual. God showed me this as I finished the message on foot washing. I want to do this message in full and place it with that message. Just listen to this; ~~~ we go get Baptized in water in the name of Jesus Christ. That is a completely NATURAL ACT. I, a natural person go into natural water; a natural man says words and puts me under natural water. I get naturally wet. So what was accomplished? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ~~~~~~~ That is UNLESS Almighty God accepts my repentance and sees I am sincere; then in the Heavenly Word, He, a Spirit remits my sins. Now that is where the spiritual comes in. Not what I did; what God did. These two acts are MARRIED. A female (natural) and a male ( spirit). Now, I go down, get natural water; put it into a natural basin; then I naturally wash my sister's feet. What is accomplished? Absolutely NOTHING; ~~~~~~~ UNLESS the Almighty God accepts what I did as sincere and right in His sight;;;; then He places me as an obedient handmaid, in line to be his bride. He annoints the person whose feet was washed, for their work in the Lord. That is the spiritual side of the foot washing. We eat a piece of natural bread; we drink a natural cup of wine; what is accomplished? Nothing ~~~ unless the Almighty God accepts what we did; then He applies the blood and body of Jesus to me; that is the spiritual side of the act. That act is then MARRIED. The natural and the Spiritual coming together to cause me to become a spiritual person; fit to marry Jesus. That is how this bread is the body of Jesus; it is done in Heaven. That is how this wine is the blood of Jesus; it is done in Heaven. To my human mouth and stomach, it is NOT the actual blood of Jesus; but in Heaven it is. I never understood this until a few days ago. God bless you all.  p.s. I did not ask for the lady with the wings; it is a gift; so I accepted it.
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 7/6/2008 1:46 AM |
It was the ministration of the LAW----- that was death----- that is the letter------ that is what kills--- that is what was written on stones------ that was Moses law. That is what Paul is speaking of in Romans 7- when he said v9---For I was ALIVE without ---------------- he said I was ALIVE WITHOUT THE LAW You law keepers, read this: ------ v9--I WAS ALIVE WITHOUT THE LAW ONCE: BUT WHEN THE COMMANDMENT (LAW) CAME, SIN REVIVED, AND I (WHAT??????????) AND I DIED. <FREEBORN> The Ministration of the law is DEATH...because if we transgress the law we deserve death. 1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. ( This is the Bible definition of SIN). Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord ( notice that sinning is what causes death NOT THE LAW.) What Paul is pointing out in Romans 7 is that once the law was given, Paul realized WHAT SIN WAS. He realized that he was a sinner. WHY??? Because He realized that he was transgressing God's law all along. That is what a sinner is. That is why a sinner is UNDER THE LAW. Under it's PENALTY OF DEATH. Why????? Because if we transgress the law which is sin...IT( the transgression..the sinning),,, causes DEATH. The wages of what???? SIN causes Death. Where do you get the idea that God's Holy and perfect law causes death??? You misunderstand totally!!!! It's erroneous teaching! Notice also please that once we are aware of God's commandments/law.....we realize that we are sinners who are in need of repentance. That is why Paul says...."I DIED".....We die....NOT GOD'S LAW. Do you see the difference??? Once we are aware that we have TRANSGRESSED God's Holy and perfect commandment....WE REPENT! That my friend is putting ourself to death. We aren't putting the law to death. Once we have repented, been baptized.....God gives us His Holy Spirit. With God's Spirit indwelling...we will have the POWER to start obeying God. Remember... Phl 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. Paul says..Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. LOVE DOVEY |
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| Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? | | For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. | | But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. | | Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. | | For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. | | But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. | | For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. | | Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. | | But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. | | Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. | | So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. | |
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 7/6/2008 4:34 AM |
The Galatians were: rejecting the word and law of God in favor of the "traditions of the fathers," whose emphasis was on being able to save oneself through a personal level of righteousness. In otherwords they thought lawkeeping was what saves. However, through Jesus sacrifice...which justifies us.....we are FREE to obey God because we love Him. We obey because of a changed heart. We don't obey God's Commandments because we think it saves us. We obey God's commandments because we love God!!!! 1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments 1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous LOVE DOVEY |
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 7/6/2008 4:50 AM |
"FREE" does NOT mean the same as....LAWLESSNESS. Notice what Timothy is teaching here. He is saying that the "Rigtheous man"...the one who is OBEDIENT...the one who is NOT LAWLESS. Is not affected by God's law. Why???? because the law is NOT against those who obey and are lawabiding. The law is agains the DISOBEDIENT..THE LAWLESS. The SINNERS are transgressors of the law. I John 3:4 "Sin is the transgression of the law..." 1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers DOVEY |
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Dear Jo, please be very careful in interpreting sentences which needs a simple understanding for comprehension. I am going to explain very simply what is really meant in your quotations and explanations. [1] Life and Death is determined by the keeping of the Law or the Transgression of the Law 1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. [2] There were two LAWS given at SINAI: viz. The Moral Law and the Civil Law; The Moral Law was written in stone and placed inside the ARK and the Civil Law written by Moses and placed on the side of the ARK Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days YHVH made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of ELOHIM. (Exo 31:16-18 KJV) And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of YHVH, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of YHVH ELOHIYM, that it may be there for a witness against thee. (Deu 31:24-26 KJV) [3] The whole typology of the TABERNACLE SERVICE was to make the transgressor understand that the blood does not ABSOLVE the sinner from death, but the promised MESSIAH: 'THE LAMB' <DIR> Joh 1:29 On the next day Yoḥanan saw יהושע coming toward him, and said, "See, the Lamb of Elohim who takes away the sin of the world!</DIR> [4] Only sin against another could be pardoned with a blood offer [5] Willfull transgression of any one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS could never be ABSOLVED; NEVER EVER. If it was done in ignorance, there is forgiveness but not willfull transgression. <DIR> Exo 34:6 And יהוה passed before him and proclaimed, "יהוה, יהוה, an Ěl compassionate and showing favour, patient, and great in kindness and truth, watching over kindness for thousands, forgiving crookedness and transgression and sin, but by no means leaving unpunished , visiting the crookedness of the fathers upon the children and the children’s children to the third and the fourth generation." Num 15:32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
<DIR> Num 15:35 And יהוה said to Mosheh, "The man shall certainly be put to death, all the congregation stoning him with stones outside the camp." And all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, as יהוה commanded Mosheh, and he died. </DIR></DIR> [6] Paul explains to the people who do not understand this typology of MESSIAH being THE LAMB that their persistent LEGALISM in the continuation of offerings is sensless, because the blood of any lamb cannot take away our sin, but THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB has done exactly that, but now we have to believe it to receive remission of sin. Paul's fellow Jews did not want to accept Messiah as they still do not even unto today; so they remain under that LAW OF DEATH, but we, who believe in Messiah received freedom from the death of the Law, butit does not mean the LAW IS DEAD, no, if it is removed then we can never sin and it would be senseless if it could be taken away and could spare the agony of the death of MESSIAH. [7] The continuation of the LAW IS CONFIRMED: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Mat 5:17-19 KJV) [8] Take note: "Till heaven and earth pass" is still future, so THE LAW remains. "till all be fulfilled" The required DEATH of an innocent LAMB was required and that was the purpose of MESSIAH. So HE did fulfilled the requirement and we don't have to make blood offerings anymore. If we now teach people to break the LAW even if it is as small as the sabbath, our names would not even be mentioned in the kingdom of heaven, but if we teach to uphold the LAW, we wil be called 'Great' It might have just saved one person who did not understand the ABROGATION OF THE LAW. If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (Joh 14:15-17 KJV) As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. These things I command you, that ye love one another. If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me. If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin. He that hateth me hateth my Father also. If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause. But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning. (Joh 15:9-27 KJV) Chris [email protected] |
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Chris, you said: [2] There were two LAWS given at SINAI: viz. The Moral Law and the Civil Law; The Moral Law was written in stone and placed inside the ARK and the Civil Law written by Moses and placed on the side of the ARK So I say, give me just one single verse of Scripture which makes this kind of distinction of laws. It is not in God's Word. This is nothing but made up lies, trying to hold God's people in this bondage, which God ABOLISHED. If there is no Scripture, not even one, then it is a LIE OF SATON, and that is what the above is. You also said: [6] Paul explains to the people who do not understand this typology of MESSIAH being THE LAMB that their persistent LEGALISM in the continuation of offerings is sensless, because the blood of any lamb cannot take away our sin, but THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB has done exactly that, but now we have to believe it to receive remission of sin. Paul's fellow Jews did not want to accept Messiah as they still do not even unto today; so they remain under that LAW OF DEATH, but we, who believe in Messiah received freedom from the death of the Law, butit does not mean the LAW IS DEAD, no, if it is removed then we can never sin and it would be senseless if it could be taken away and could spare the agony of the death of MESSIAH. Me: that is the whole point---we are delivered from the law, so that we, who are in the new covenant, ARE FREE FROM SIN. That is the only means of salvation. You do greatly err, not knowing the Word of God or the power of salvation. You wrote: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. See that word TILL all be fulfilled? Yes, Jesus fulfilled that whole law, but then laid it away, nailing it to his cross and took it out of the way. so that we who have found GRACE no longer serve God by law, but by love, and are delievered from that dead old law, to find PERFECTION IN CHRIST. So you staying under that old law, as you said, keeps you from ever being sin-free. so your sin remains, and there is no salvation. that is how dangerous it is to stay under that bondage and teach others to do the same. See, after he fulfilled it all, then it could be laid away. TILL all be fulfilled.....but you are contending that not even then. so wrong. All of your great error, all of you who cannot see the truth of freedom from law.... is that you cannot discern the difference in the LAW OF MOSES, and the commandments or law of God. You will find them in the NT. Love your enemies. be baptized in Jesus name. if they take your coat , give them you cloke also......give to them that ask and ask not again..... blessed are the pure in heart, for the SHALL SEE GOD. to those who smite you on one cheek, turn also the other... etc. etc. These are the commandments of God, given to us by JESUS CHRIST....NOT MOSES. |
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As far as the distinction between the MORAL LAW and the CIVIL LAW is concerned, I will report back to you to give you all the detail. As far as your comment "that whole law, nailing it to his cross" is the old deception of all the Christian Churches and the sad part is no body takes the trouble to verify the correctness of the statement, but let me give it to you: But first look at the conditions for gaining freedom from the LAW: And you were dead in trespasses and sins,1 Footnote: 1v.5 and 5:14, Mt. 8:22, Rom. 8:6, Col. 2:13, 1 Tim. 5:6, 1 John 3:14, Rev. 3:1. in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience,1 Footnote: 1Eph. 5:6, Col. 3:6. among whom also we all once lived in the lusts of our flesh, doing the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, as also the rest. But Elohim, who is rich in compassion, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Messiah �?by favour you have been saved �?and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenlies in Messiah in order to show in the coming ages the exceeding riches of His favour in kindness toward us in Messiah For by favour you have been saved, through belief, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of Elohim, it is not by works, so that no one should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Messiah יהושע , unto good works, which Elohim prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. Therefore remember that you, once gentiles1 in the flesh, who are called ‘the uncircumcision�?by what is called ‘the circumcision�?made in the flesh by hands, Footnote: 11 Cor. 12:2. that at that time you were without Messiah יהושע , , excluded from the citizenship of Yisra’and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no expectation and without Elohim in the world. But now in Messiah you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of the Messiah יהושע , For He is our peace, who has made both one, and having broken down the partition of the barrier, having abolished in His flesh the enmity �?the Torah of the commands in dogma �?so as to create in Himself one renewed man from the two, thus making peace, and to completely restore to favour both of them unto Elohim in one body through the stake, having destroyed the enmity by it. And having come, He brought as Good News peace to you who were far off, and peace to those near. Because through Him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the set-apart ones and members of the household of Elohim,1 Footnote: 1Rom. 11:17-24, Isa. 14:1. having been built upon the foundation of the emissaries and prophets, Messiah יהושע , Himself being chief corner-stone, in whom all the building, being joined together, grows into a set-apart Dwelling Place in יהוה in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of Elohim in the Spirit. (Eph 2:1-22 The Scriptures '98+) "that whole law, nailing it to his cross" And you, being dead in your trespasses1 and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, Footnote: 1Eph. 2:1. having blotted out the certificate of debt against us �?by the dogmas �?which stood against us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the stake.
(Col 2:13-14 The Scriptures '98+) WHAT WAS NAILED? The Law or the DEBT INCURRED FOR TRANSGRESSION? not the law, but the list of debt incurred! The LAW wil remain for ever, but our DEBT, which brought death due to transgression of the dogmas, was paid with the promised penalty of death, but having lived our own lives, and having the option to choose between RIGHT and WRONG will still be JUDGED to determine the judgement. Soon the ANGEL from Revelation 14 will anounce the HOUR OF JUDGEMENT, immediately after the 144,000 were called to heaven to witness against the living on Earth; The program is as follows [1] the 144,000 are sealed with the TRUE NAMES [2] they, the 144,000 will deliver the 'new prophecy' that the church is Babylon, that the Bible translation in Greek caused all the deception, that the TRUE HEBREW NAMES were removed and blasphemed, that the heavenly BEINGS are blasphemed with the TRINITY doctrine; that the false prophet acted in the roll of the anointed messaih under his own name: <DIR> Joh 5:43 "I have come in My Father’s Name and you do not receive Me, if another comes in his own name, him you would receive.1 Footnote: 1"Another," another one, was indeed a prophecy by יהושע of another one, probably the same one we read of in 2 Thess. 2:4.
. . that he caused them to make an IMAGE, to receive the mark on the head, to receive the mark on the hand, to worship the IMAGE</DIR> [3] this prophecy is sweet in the mouth of the speaker, but it causes a bitterness (in the stomach) simply because all believe they have the truth and hearing this new prophecy, causing bitterness to such an extent that they kill these witnessess, the 144,000. [4] after three and a half days they are resurrected from death and called to heaven to go and witness [5] while the court is in session those last 45 days to make judgement, immediately before the SECOND COMING OF MESSIAH, three angels are send to Earth 1 to demand the correct worship to the CREATOR BY HONOURING HIM TO KEEP THE SABBATH 2 to declare the fact that BABYLON IS FALLEN, IS FALLEN with all its doctrines and rituals and christmasses, and gospel songs and christenings and weddings and what else! 3 to declare execution on them with the mark on the head or hand or the false worship [6] Last Call: "Come out of her my people" Sadly enough, they are so comfortable in their church and so loyal to their church, that they stay inside, they became 'HATEFULL BIRDS' You can read this for yourself in Revelation 12 (last part) Revelation 13, Revelation 14 and Revelation 18. Most of HIS CHILDREN would be killed during the 1,260 day period and the 30 days before, the 1,290 days, but a small number would be specially protected, again as witnesses for the last part of the 45 days. This is in Daniel 12. Isaiah 24, Then the New Yerusalem, with MESSIAH and the 144,000 (as the BRIDE) will return to earth from heaven to make that day THE LAST DAY, when HE will resurrect the dead and take some to the New Yerusalem to take them to HIS FATHERS MANSIONS FOR 1,000 YEARS. Most people ask me when will this happen, how soon or how long still to go Nobody knows but what we do know is that VIOLENCE, HUNGER, PESTS and WILD ANIMALS are daily increasing because they are HISS SORE WRATHS And some of the elders of Yisra’came to me and sat before me. And the word of came to me, saying, "Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their hearts, and have put the stumbling-block of their crookedness before their face. Should I let them inquire of Me at all? "Therefore speak to them, and you shall say to them, ‘Thus said the Master "Everyone of the house of Yisra’who sets up his idols in his heart, and puts the stumbling-block of his crookedness before his face, and shall come to the prophet �?I shall answer him who comes, according to his many idols, in order to lay hold of the house of Yisra’by their heart, for they have become estranged from Me by their idols, all of them." �?"Therefore say to the house of Yisra’‘Thus said the Master "Repent, and turn back from your idols, and turn back your faces from all your abominations. "For anyone of the house of Yisra’or of the strangers who sojourn in Yisra’who separates himself from Me and sets up his idols in his heart and puts the stumbling-block of his crookedness before his face, and shall come to a prophet to inquire of him concerning Me, I shall answer him Myself. "And I shall set My face against that man and make him a sign and a proverb, and I shall cut him off from the midst of My people. And you shall know that I am "And if the prophet is deceived, and shall speak a word, I have deceived that prophet, and shall stretch out My hand against him and destroy him from the midst of My people Yisra�?"And they shall bear their crookedness, the crookedness of the prophet is the same as the crookedness of the inquirer, so that the house of Yisra’no longer strays from Me, nor be made unclean any more with all their transgressions. And they shall be My people and I be their Elohim," declares the Master " And the word of came again to me, saying, "Son of man, when a land sins against Me to commit a trespass, and I shall stretch out My hand against it, and cut off its supply of bread and send scarcity of food on it, and cut off man and beast from it, even though these three men, NoahDani’and Iyobwere in it, they would deliver only themselves by their righteousness," declares the Master "If I cause an evil beast to pass through the land, and it shall bereave it, and it shall be a wasteland, so that no man passes through because of the beasts, even though these three men were in it, as I live," declares the Master "they would deliver neither sons nor daughters. They alone would be delivered, but the land be a wasteland. "Or if I bring a sword on that land, and I shall say, ‘Sword, go through the land,�?and I shall cut off man and beast from it, even though these three men were in its midst, as I live," declares the Master "they would deliver neither sons nor daughters, for they alone would be delivered. "Or if I send a pestilence into that land, and I shall pour out My wrath on it in blood, to cut off from it man and beast, even though NoahDani’and Iyobwere in it, as I live," declares the Master "they would deliver neither son nor daughter. They would deliver their own lives by their righteousness." For thus said the Master "How much more it shall be when I send My four evil judgments on Yerushalayim: the sword and scarcity of food and evil beasts and pestilence, to cut off man and beast from it? "But see, there shall be left in it a remnant who are brought out, both sons and daughters. See, they are coming out to you, and you shall see their ways and their deeds, and shall be comforted concerning the evil which I have brought upon Yerushalayim �?all that I have brought upon it. "And they shall comfort you, when you see their ways and their deeds. And you shall know that it was not for naught that I have done whatever I did in it," declares the Master (Eze 14:1-23 The Scriptures '98+) These four JUDGEMENTS will cause 1,500,000,000 to die: <DIR> Rev 6:8 And I looked and saw a pale horse. And he who sat on it had the name Death, and the grave followed with him. And authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and by the beasts of the earth. The whole earth will mourne these deaths, <DIR> Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. </DIR> Rev 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: </DIR> These four judgements must be indicative of the COUNT DOWN OF 1335 DAYS or are PART OF IT. One thing is for sure, the four plaques has already started and I think (it's only my opinion) it started when the world declared ABORTION legal; declared APARTHEID 'illegal' and widespread BASTARDIZATION is happening, when THE homo sapiens in AFRICA started to kill the FARMERS in ZIMBABWE and SOUTH AFRICA. In South Africa alone, since abolition of apartheid, more than 3,000 farmers were killed and hardly any white farmers are left in Zimbabwe causing FAMINE. end |
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You: The Law or the DEBT INCURRED FOR TRANSGRESSION? not the law, but the list of debt incurred! Me: where is Scripture saying this? again, no Scripture. made up doctrine. You: [5] while the court is in session those last 45 days to make judgement, immediately before the SECOND COMING OF MESSIAH, three angels are send to Earth 1 to demand the correct worship to the CREATOR BY HONOURING HIM TO KEEP THE SABBATH Me: Again, no Scripture. You: Most of HIS CHILDREN would be killed during the 1,260 day period and the 30 days before, the 1,290 days, but a small number would be specially protected, again as witnesses for the last part of the 45 days. This is in Daniel 12. Isaiah 24, Then the New Yerusalem, with MESSIAH and the 144,000 (as the BRIDE) will return to earth from heaven to make that day THE LAST DAY, when HE will resurrect the dead and take some to the New Yerusalem to take them to HIS FATHERS MANSIONS FOR 1,000 YEARS. Me: no Scripture teaches those people come from heaven. they were never off this earth. You do but spit out made up doctrine, with no true revelation. SAY, why didn't you give us the scripture saying God only created white people? You know there is no such thing in Scripture. Just as none of this other stuff you keep saying is Scripture, either. You have no faith at all in God's truth. as to your last statements, I say, for goodness sakes, Chris. stop this foolish man-made interpretation, get into Scripture and find the right answers. You are so far off, it is pityful. Stop teaching these lies. |
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