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Question&Answer : What is the 'Rock'?
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 Message 1 of 33 in Discussion 
From: joie  (Original Message)Sent: 11/19/2001 12:00 AM

  In Matt.16:13-20--Jesus asked his disciples who they said he was.  Peter said, Thou are the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

Then, Jesus said to him, and I also say unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this ROCK I will build my church.----

Now, the question is this:  what is this ROCK?



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 Message 19 of 33 in Discussion 
From: tom doleySent: 12/8/2001 7:14 PM
There are two rocks, God the Father is the Rock of Israil, and Jesus Christ
is the Rock of our salvation. In the old bible Jesus was that Rock,and in
the new he became this Rock, the Rock that the church is being built on.

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 Message 20 of 33 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 12/8/2001 8:12 PM
Tom,
 
I truly believe that you are sincere in what you believe to be true.  There are so very many people who think they are right in saying that women are 'out' of it.
 
I will try to show you something which I sincerely hope you can receive and at least pray about this.
 
Jesus said  Take HEED  HOW  you hear.
 
What did he mean?  There are two different ways to HEAR.  One is to HEAR  the LAW.  The other is to HEAR  GRACE.
 
You may hear LAW  from Gen. through Rev.
You may hear GRACE from Gen. through Rev.
 
Moses, the law giver, was NEVER  UNDER THE LAW.  Moses found GRACE with God.
 
Noah found  GRACE in the eyes of the Lord.  So, see,  GRACE was back then; even though, very few found it.  Very few find it today.
 
Enoch had this testimony that he PLEASED God.  Without FAITH  it is impossible to please God.  The law is NOT of faith.
 
Gal. 5:18--But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
 
Romans 8:14--For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
v9---But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.  Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
 
Gal. 3:27--For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
 
Now, my brother,  look at this:  IF  one has been baptized into Christ (by the Baptism of the Holy Ghost)---that person has put on Christ.  That person has become a member of the body of Christ.  That person is not male or female;  that person is a part of Christ.  So if that person teaches what Christ tells them, it is not that person but Christ teaching it.
 
Paul said they received his words, not as a man's words, but as the words of Christ;  which they were.  And not because he was a man; but because he had put on Christ.
 
The law was in the Garden of Eden;  it was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil  (by the law is the knowledge of sin)---.  Adam chose to disobey God and eat (partake) of that tree.  In doing so, he chose death, blindness, darkness and lost the presence of God.
 
After Eve saw what it had done, she repented and turned back to the tree of life = Grace= faith.
I know this, because after she birthed Seth, she said,  God has given ME another seed (the promise of the righteous seed which would deliver her and bruise the head of satan)---in place of Able, whom Cain slew.
 
She had faith = she believed what God had told her;  she was looking for Christ.  She had faith.
 
Adam never repented;  his sin is held all through the Word of God.  Adam held to the law = the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
 
Eve held to the tree of life = GRACE.  The law is not of faith.
Eve is called the mother of all living (= alive to God)---Adam is NOT called the father of the living;  Abraham is called the Father of the faithful.
 
All those mentioned in Heb. 11--who had faith, had found GRACE.  They were not of the law.
 
You can 'hear' or 'read' the law = Moses---all through the Word; in every book;  including the books of Paul
 
You can 'hear' or 'read' GRACE -  all through the Word; in every book;  including the books of Moses.
 
It all depends on which spirit you hear.  Without the Spirit of Christ, you are none of his.  Without the Spirit of Christ, you will hear the law.  If you hear the law, or 'read' moses,  you will never have faith.  You will never see the Spiritual truth.
The LAW  is the O.T.    GRACE   is the N.T.  (but this does not mean which part of the book you read it in).
 
That is why you believe women cannot preach, teach etc.  It is of the law.  You are hearing the law.  By the law shall no flesh be justified.
 
The religious leaders told Pilate,   We have a LAW----   and by our   LAW   Jesus ought to die.
 
That, my dear brother,  is the result of  'hearing'  the law;  instead of hearing  GRACE.
 
May you come up to the Spirit of GRACE.  If you go back to the law, Christ is of no effect to you;  you fall from  GRACE.  Without  GRACE,  you cannot have FAITH;;   without FAITH  it is impossible to please God. 
Without seeing the truth,  that in Christ, we are ALL ONE;  that the daughters of God can hear and teach the word,  you will never have faith.
 
By your 'law', the women 'ought to die';  for without a personal relationship with our God, we are 'dead'.
 
Jo
 
 

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 Message 21 of 33 in Discussion 
From: authenticlyaudibleSent: 12/9/2001 2:12 AM
Tom,
 
how many god's are there? I know, but what do you believe?


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 Message 22 of 33 in Discussion 
From: Barbie557Sent: 12/9/2001 6:19 AM
Tom
 
What would have happened to Israel if they hadn't listened to Deborah, the judge of Israel?  Why did Jesus send Mary with the most important message of the New Testement, that He had risen from the dead?  I'm not saying you should listen to all women but if you cut yourself off from us, you may miss something pretty important.  I have one husband, which is Christ, and I sit at His feet and learn from Him daily.  Did Paul lie when he said there is neither male or female, bond or free in His kingdom?  The kingdom is within us and I am a son of God through the same adoption as you.
 
Barb

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 Message 23 of 33 in Discussion 
From: tomdoleySent: 12/12/2001 10:50 PM
joie I will say this I never did say the women was out of it,they have a lot to diowith it, What I said and the bible says it that the woman has not the right teach God's word. You knoiw it asys that and I know it says that,
 
We do honour the wife,just as God told us to as the weaker vessel.  tom,  Everything I havsesaid if you read the bible I have not said anything that the bible hasn't said.
    tom

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 Message 24 of 33 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 12/12/2001 11:23 PM

 Yes Tom,  I know that what you are saying is written in the Word.  So is   Go kill all the Ammorites and the Hittatites, etc. 

The point is this:  As I have taught in several other messages,  there are two different messages in the Written Word.  Jesus said  take heed  HOW  you hear.  Please, try to study some of these things.  There is a LAW message all through the Word.  But there is also a Grace message all through the Word.

If you hear and live by the 'law' message, you fall from Grace;  Jesus Christ is of no effect to you.  That is all I am trying to do;  get as many people as I possibly can to the Grace message.

In the Grace message, we are all one = one bride of Christ.  Christ is to speak in us- whether we are male or female.  If we speak on our own,  then to God, it is 'woman' speaking;  whether it is a man or woman.

We are all 'female' to God.  So, in Grace He only sees one with the Spirit of Christ in them.  He does not see us as male and female.  For the Spirit of Christ in us changes that.  It is only under the 'law' message, that bondage still prevails, that God sets commands other than love.  It is only under law, that the woman is still under that bondage.  In Christ we are free from that.  If you can not see this;  it is because you have the law for a husband.  It still rules over you.  You are the wife of the law;  therefore, you can not teach.

Only those of us who have put on Christ can teach.  There is neither male nor female here.

I will not be able to say anymore;  for we are leaving for Fla. the day after tomorrow;  unless my brother-in-law gets worse;  he is the hospitle pretty bad off with Lung disease.

I ask you all to pray for him.

JO

 
   

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 Message 25 of 33 in Discussion 
From: tom doleySent: 12/18/2001 6:53 PM
Barb if you really believe that prove it. kj



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 Message 26 of 33 in Discussion 
From: MarrahSent: 12/25/2001 4:50 PM
Tom,
 
I am very ashamed of you . Your sharp.... women are to be seen and
 not heard reply is very sad .
 
The Lord called both Men and Women to  be with him in His
heavenly glory,and to sit with Him on His throne just as he sits on the throne with his Father.
 
To disrespect a women  so much ..is to Disrespect the Calling and Chosing of our Lord.
 
 Nobody comes to the Father inless He (Jesus) calles them.
 and again Nobody knows the Father EXCEPT those to who the Son wishes
to reveal Him to them...
Yours,
 In Christ,
 "Just Call Me Marrah"

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 Message 27 of 33 in Discussion 
From: MarrahSent: 12/25/2001 4:58 PM
Hi.. I really liked how it was expressed that we are all "women" to our Lord.. as
He has called the "church" to be His Bride and the Father is preparing the wedding
Feast For the Marrage of the Lamb and of His Bride.
 
And Remember.. In the ressurrection we are neither Male nor Female but are as Angles.
 
(meaning equal a a being or as Messangers)
 
Lord Bless..
 
Marrah

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 Message 28 of 33 in Discussion 
From: tomdoleySent: 12/27/2001 5:37 PM
Joie I am tired of seeing all of the ignorants that you put out, I hope one day that you find God,and his truth.  tom doley

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 Message 29 of 33 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 1/3/2002 3:56 PM
Tom, You really need to study the Scripture.  Not one word I post is not fully written in the Word of God.  Apparently, you only go by some wrong man-made doctrine.  I really feel sorry for one such as yourself, who still arrograntly believes that only a certain group of people have a right to the glorious things of God.
 
Jo

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 Message 30 of 33 in Discussion 
From: ZIONsLION1Sent: 1/29/2002 8:45 PM
When Paul says that he has spoke to us not in mans words he is referring to speaking to the congregation as a man or having the wisdom of a man(See Corinthians 1:17)
You see man is not a sexist term.  Man is a term referring to the carnal side of man, what appeals to mans flesh and his nature or the natural man.  When we put on Christ we give birth to our spirit.

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 Message 31 of 33 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 1/30/2002 12:46 AM
    

 Hello Zions Lion,

(Love that name)---Hi, and a big WELCOME    to this community. I see you have just joined.  And I really liked your message. 

If more people could learn this which you taught, there would certainly be a lot less confusion and trying to keep the daughters of God from the ability to do the Work of God which he puts into our hearts to do.

May God give you the ability to give this understanding to many, many confused souls.

That is so true, that 'man' referrs to the carnal man-kind.  Jesus refers to his true church as a woman.  So, if the 'woman' cannot teach, then the church cannot teach.  Jesus gave those under his headship, the men, the right to teach;  but those same men will not pass that on down to their wife or sisters.  What a shame!!

I hope to hear some more from you real soon.

Again, Welcome.

Jo

 

 

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 Message 32 of 33 in Discussion 
From: IsaiahSent: 11/10/2003 8:35 AM
Joie, go back and look at message # 24. 

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 Message 33 of 33 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 11/11/2003 3:46 AM
Thank you so much Brother Isaiah, for finding and sending back this wonderful teaching.  i want to save and print out this message; but right now i am just too sleepy.  Not got much sleep last few nights. so gonna get off now and go to bed
Had a good study with Walt. tonight.  another one of those 'unappointed feasts'; = called for by God.  It was good.
He also gave me a tape message by my cousin, Tim, whom I have never heard preach.  It is really good.  Surprised me how well he did.
 
Nite to you.  Hopes you soon gets all that work done.
 
Jo

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