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Law & Sabbath : Why the 4th Commandment Left Out in N.T.
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From: MSN NicknameTweety134  (Original Message)Sent: 7/30/2006 3:59 PM

10 Reasons 4th Commandment Left Out

Notes on Acts 15:24-By Finis J. Dake

  1. Neither God nor Christ made it a part of the new covenant. If they had it would be somewhere in the N.T. as the other 9 are.

  2. Of all the words of Jesus on earth on only 4 references are made of the sabbath (Mt.12:8, Mt 24:20, Mk.2:27-28, Luke 6:5). He merely taught that it was lawful to do good on this day and that no day is lord of man.  He did not once command any particular observance of any definite day.

  3. The old Jews sabbath was part of a contract between God and Israel and a token and sign  of that covenant (Ex.20:8-11, Ex. 31:13-18, Ez. 20:12-20). The contract was not made with men before Moses (Dt.5:2-3) or with Gentiles and the church (Rom. 2:14, Dt.4:7-10).  The sabbath was not for them.

  4. The 4th commandment was the only one of the ten that was ceremonial, not a moral law. Its sole purpose was to commemorate the deliverance from Egyptian bondage when Israel had no rest (Dt. 5:15). It was only a type of future and eternal rest (Col 2:14-17, Heb. 4:1-11, Heb 10:1).   It was natural for it to be left out of the new contract when the reality of rest came of which it was a shadow (Mt.11:28-29, Col 2:14-17).  The physical  and spiritual benefits of a rest day can be realized on any other day as well as on Saturday.

  5. The 4th commandment was the only one that could degenerate into a mere form without affecting the morals of men.  All others concern moral obligations of men. It is the only one of the ten that could be done away with and still leave a moral law for men.

  6. God foretold and promised that He would do away with the old Jewish sabbath (Hos.2:11, Isa.1:10-15).

  7. The prophets predicted that God would abolish the old and make a new covenant (Isa. 42:6, Isa. 49:8, Isa. 59:21, Jer 31:13-40, Jer 32:37-44, Ez 36:24-38).  That is referred to in the N.T. is clear in Rm. 11:25-29, Heb 8:8-12, Heb 10:16-18, Mt. 26:28).

  8. In no passage is it stated that men should keep the Jewish sabbath to commemorate deliverance from Egypt (Dt.5:15). This was what they were to "remember" (Ex 20:8).

  9. It is the only commandment that could be and has been broken without breaking a moral law. Israel marched on that day (Num 33:3, Lev 23:5-11, Josh 6:12-16) set up the tabernacle (Ex.40:1, 17 with Lev 23:5-11); searched Canaan (Num 13:25); and made war (1 Kings 20:29, 2 Kings 3:9, Josh 6:12-16). David and others broke it and were blameless (Matthew 12:2-5).

  10. The N.T permits Christians to keep any day as the sabbath, it being one of the doubtful things not covered by commandment in the new covenant (Rom 14:1-13, Gal 4:9-11, Col 2:14-17). The day early Christians observed, not by commandment but by choice, it was the first day, Sunday (Jn 20:1, 19, Jn 20:7, 1 Cor 16:2). (*See notes Acts 20:7)

NOTES On Acts:20:7

10 REASONS WHY CHRISTIANS KEEP SUNDAY

1. To commemorate the resurrection and the finished work of Christ in His victory over death, hell, and the grave (Matthew 28:1, Mk 16:9, Jn 20:1).

2. The Lord's manifestations to His disciples were on Sunday (Mt.28:1, Mk. 16:9, Jn 20:1,19,26).

3. Christ ignored completely the old Jewish sabbath. The first day is the prominate day after the resurrection (Mt.28:1 Mk. 16:9, Jn. 20:1, 19,26)

4. The outpouring of the Holy Ghost came on Sunday, Pentecost was the first day after 7 Jewish sabbaths (Acts 2:1, Lev 23:15-21). Thus both Christ and the Holy Spirit manifested themselves to the church on this day, completely ignoring the Jewish sabbath.

5. Christ nor no apostle commanded to keep the old Jewish sabbath, or any other day, but did command all men not to be bound by any particular day (Rom 14:5-6, Gal 4:9-11, Col 2:14-17). Sin is sin whenever committed. It is a transgression of the law that constitutes sin (1Jn. 3:4), not the day on which it was done. Anything sinful on Saturday or Sunday is sinful every other day. If it is not  sinful on Monday, Tuesday, etc. it is not sinful on Sunday.

6. Although no set day is commanded to be the sabbath in the new covenant, as in the old covenant which was abolished, they did keep Sunday as their day of worship (Mt. 28:1 Mk.16:9, Jn. 20:1, 19,26, Acts 20:7, 1Cor. 16;2, Rev. 1:10).

7. Typology of the old covenant made Sunday a day of worhip:

    A. The Jewish sabbath was a changeable sabbath , changing at Pentecost very year to one day later until each day of the week was observed every 7 years. Pentecost was the first day after the 7th sabbath. (Lev 23:15-21, note, and note #4 above).

    B. The feast of first-fruits came on Sunday, typifying the resurrection (Lev 23:9-14, Mt. 28:1, Jn 20:1).

    C. The feast of unleavened bread and tabernacles were also observed at least one Sunday and perhaps two, being 7 & 8 days long (Lev 23:6-36).

8.  God honored Sunday by giving the law on that day (Ex. 19:1, 3,11 with Lev. 23:3-6, Ex. 12:2-18).

9. God again honored Sunday when giving the book of Revelation (Rev 1:10).

10. Constantine and the Pope did not change the sabbath, 321 and 364 A.D.

Thus it is clear that many religious services were held  on Sunday as well as on Saturday and other days.

 

 

 

 



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 Message 26 of 40 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/17/2008 2:17 PM
Dovey, all false religions are hung up on a  FEW VERSES,  which their false originators have distorted the meaning to.
 
The 'jesus-only' folks can only repeat a few verses their false leaders falsly interpreted and led them into delusions of darkness.
 
Now I see that all you can do is repeat, continously, just a few verses which the false leaders of this 'law religion' falsly interpreted and led you into delusions of darkness.
 
Sure, if we love God we will keep his commandments, and his commandments are not grievous.
 
Then if it is speaking about that old covenant, given at Mt Sinai, why did Peter say in Acts 15, that this was  A  BONDAGE WHICH NONE OF THEM COULD BEAR?
wHY did He tell Christians that they were not bound by that law of Moses?
 
You cannot hear.  You cannot see the difference in God's commandments and that old law of Moses.
 
You flat refuse all of these Scriptures in holding to the few the adventists leaders have totally misinterpreted and led you astray with.
 
Why do you refuse these many other Scriptures which I have shown you many times?  Do you not believe these verses?  do you only believe those few you keep referring to?
 
Do you not know that all of the Bible is God's commandments?  I mean, every single word of it?  It is all God's commandments.  And when His word shows us that we are not under that old covenant of law, why do you resist this?  
 
 It is because man sets up his own way above God's way.   That is the only reason God ever put those REBELS under law.  So he could bring them into judgment and destroy them.
 
Now,  here is the answer to your question of how to be sin-free.  it is the ONLY WAY.  Keeping or saying you keep the ten will never do the job.  You do not keep that old sabbath, no matter how many say you do.  You DO NOT. 
 
You do break it every time you go out your door.  Now you can listen to your false teachers all you wish,  but I showed you in the Word of God, what Moses said you must do and not do.
 
Some old false teachers, who are all dead now,  said,  you must go to church to keep it.  without one single word of Scripture for this LIE.  Where is your scripture for doing it this way? 
 
 why go you all about trying to lead grace people back under that bondage, which none of you keep?  This is a worse sin that any other,   teaching others to keep that sabbath when none of you wish to keep it right.
 
Since this is already long, I will send it, then show you the only way to be sin free.

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 Message 27 of 40 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/17/2008 2:18 PM

Ps 32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Ro 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Ro 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Ro 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

 

Ro 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

Ro 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Ro 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Ro 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Ro 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


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 Message 28 of 40 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/17/2008 2:22 PM

Ro 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Ro 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Take special notice of those two verses.  Therein lies the secret of being SIN FREE.

And it is the only way.  so long as you are under LAW,  that law which was given on Mt Sinai,  you are under sin, and lost.

 

Try to find out why only Moses was allowed on that mountain,  near to God.  Why was that entire nation told to stay far away, and were never even allowed into the very tabernacle which they had laboured to build?

 

Why was only Moses and Joshua allowed into that tabernacle?  find out these answers.

I will wait and see if you can find out these answers.  why was Moses the ONLY ALLOWED NEAR TO GOD?

 

Why did he say that if any of the others so much as touched that moutain, they would be killed?   Where do you put yourself with this business of doing despite to the Spirit of Grace?


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 Message 29 of 40 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/17/2008 2:25 PM
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
 
Why does your church break this COMMANDMENT, in Co. 2:16, and judge us all by that old sabbath?
Do you not realize that any positive statement, such as the above verse, is a  COMMANDMENT? 
 
iF NOT go learn some English Grammer.

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 Message 30 of 40 in Discussion 
From: DoveySent: 7/17/2008 9:54 PM
The positive statement from colossians 2:16 is in fact DEFENDING those who observe God's Holy days.
 
Notice: There is NO mention of the WEEKLY Sabbath in that verse.  People ASSUME that this verse is telling the Gentiles not to observe the Sabbath day.  It doesn't even mention it. What it does mention are Gods "Holy Days" which are ANNUAL Sabbaths. They are called "high days".
 
When did the Church receive God's Holy Spirit? We can find it in Acts 2.  Why did the Church gather together that day??? Notice it says..."And when the DAY OF PENTECOST fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.Acts2:1
 
God's Church was observing one of His Annual Sabbaths which is called the "Day of Pentecost". One of God's Seven Holy days. Proof that the early Church continued in observing not only God's weekly 7th day Sabbath but also God's Annual Sabbaths.
 
The Bible does not contradict itself. People can twist it to make it sound like the Apostles are teaching something else but in fact are not. I think the one most twisted is Paul's writings. Many even believe He preached another Gospel. It's ashame
 
How well Peter could see that Paul's writings would be twisted. 2 Peter 3:16 "As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.".
 
DOVEY
 

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 Message 31 of 40 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/19/2008 5:40 PM
Those who think that Saturday is God's Sabbath are too blind to ever see what Peter or Paul had and taught.
 
Which DAY IS THE DAY  OF  SALVATION?  Do you know?  Is it saturday?  sunday?  monday?  T, W, T or F?  which. How long is this  DAY?
 
Which  DAY is the  DAY of Judgment?  Sat.  sun.  m,  t, w, t or f?
How long is that  DAY going to be?
 
which DAY is the Lord's  DAY?  of the seven,  and how long is that  Day.
 
Which  DAY is the  DAY  OF THE LORD?  where is this  DAY taught in Scripture?  how long is this  DAY?
 
Which of the seven, is the  DAY  OF WRATH?  does this one come on sat. sun,  m,  t, w,  t, or f?  How long is this  DAY?
 
Re. 16:14. another DAY is mentioned,  the great  DAY OF GOD ALMIGHTY.   which of the seven is this one?  How long is this DAY?  how many hours in this Day?
 
Re. 18:8,  in this ONE DAY,  THE WRATH AND PLAGUES COME on Babylon.  How  long is this  DAY?  which day of the week is this?  do you know?  if not, go read some of White's literature and perhaps she found out in one of her fairy-tale visions.
 
<NOBR>Heb 4:7</NOBR> Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
<NOBR>Heb 4:8</NOBR> For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

What day is this one?  How long is it?  does it come every seven days?  can you tell?

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 Message 32 of 40 in Discussion 
From: DoveySent: 7/20/2008 1:00 AM
Jesus said..."Are there not 12 hours in a day?.."
Jhn 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world
 
So commonsense tells us that there are 12 hours at night. Hence the 24 hour period.
 
God said He sanctified the 7th DAY. Gen 2:3 "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made".
Sunset to sunset is a 24 hour period. In Genesis we can see that a day to God starts at sunset and ends at sunset. A 24 hour period.  Scripture leaves us with no doubt as to what God means by a "DAY".
 
Believing in God's 7th day Sabbath does NOT take away understanding about salvation. You cannot teach people that they are denying salvation just because they believe in God's 4th Commandment.  You will NOT find that anywhere in God's Word.  Infact, what we will find is God telling us through His Commandment to.."REMEMBER the Sabbath Day.."
 
Nothing complicated about that commandment. Nothing EVIL about the Commandment.  God's commandments are holy and good..just like Paul says.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
 
Posting lots of verses does not prove a person is right. Anyone can post  the whole Bible if they want but, it's how Scripture is interpreted BY SCRIPTURE that counts.
 
You posted Hebrews 4:8. What about the following verses that say.."There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his". Hebrews 4:9-10.
 
"There REMAINS a rest for the people of God". FOR WHAT? ....."For he that is entered into HIS REST, he hath CEASED FROM HIS OWN WORKS. AS GOD DID FROM HIS".
 
How more plain can that be? God gives us rest from our OWN WORKS. What does God say about the His Sabbath day and to keep it?
Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words: Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken [it].
 
There are blessings that come from believing in God's 7th day Sabbath. Twisting scripture to try and make it say what it's not saying to cause people to stray away from God's commandments is wrong.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
 
DOVEY
 
 

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 Message 33 of 40 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/20/2008 1:16 AM
<NOBR>Isa 28:11</NOBR> For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
<NOBR>Isa 28:12</NOBR> To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.


to those who refused this REST, or sabbath of God, he said:

<NOBR>Isa 28:13</NOBR> But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.


<NOBR>Ga 4:9</NOBR> But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
<NOBR>Ga 4:10</NOBR> Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
<NOBR>Ga 4:11</NOBR> I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

<NOBR>Ga 4:21</NOBR> Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
<NOBR>Ga 4:24</NOBR> Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
<NOBR>Ga 4:25</NOBR> For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.


Two covenants,  one from Mt Sinai, which is BONDAGE with her bond children. cast out the bond child, for he is not heir with the  free child.

Why do you reject the true commandments of God, and cling to the dead old covenant?  and refuse the true Sabbath, and do not remember it, but count it an unholy thing, clinging to only a shadow, and not keeping that shadow correctly?

 

Why?  Why do you yeild yourself servants to that old bondage, and do despite to the Spirit of Grace,  thus disobeying God's commandments.

so god said, 
<NOBR>Ga 4:30</NOBR> Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.


Why disobey God's commandments and be cast out with all the other rebellious bond children?

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 Message 34 of 40 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/20/2008 1:28 AM
Why then do you break the true commandments of God?  why refuse to obey them?  You cannot enter into the true REST of God this way.  You must obey the true commandments to enter in. 
 
Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ  for the REMISSION of sin, and then the promise will be filled to you.....receive the Holy ghost, with the evidence of speaking in other tongues, which is the true REST.
 
So you think the Day of Grace is 24 hours long?
my, my.  such carnality.
 
and you think the Day of judgment is 24 hours long?
And you think the Day of salvation is 24 hours long?
When was it then?
 
Yesterday?  or 100 years ago?  if so, then the 24 hours is up and none of the rest of humans have a chance.  if that day was 24 hours long, we are all in trouble, except those who lived on that one day, 24 hours.
 
btw, when are you going to interpret any Scripture correctly?  Haven't seen it yet.  You keep repeating the same little circle over and over,  for apparently it is the only  ones your false teacher ever dare go near.....and that only because they teach lies about it>
 
<NOBR>Ac 10:48</NOBR> And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Why are you disobeying that commandment?  when will you obey it?  It takes you into the TRUE SABBATH.  it is the only REST available.

You know nothing about the 4th commandment.... not how to keep the old way, nor what it really means...you know not the true sabbath for you do disobey it all.

You do reject the commandments of God and cleave to the false teachings of man.

So why do you break that least commandment?  Why not go get into the water and obey it?  and receive the Holy Ghost?  I know.  It is because your false church denies this true rest which Jesus gives us, who obey his commandments.

Sure these commandments are holy and just and the only  ones which can bring you into the day of rest = salvation.

So you think day one is a 24 hour period.  You have no idea what it is about.  Neither do you have any idea what day seven is or what it is about.

All you can do is repeat a few verses which you 'think' prove your false doctrine.  But you know not the meaning of even one of them and cannot rightly interpret even one single verse of Scripture.

when I asked what the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was, you did not even have a clue as to what I meant.  So you know what the seventh day is?  No way!!!!


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 Message 35 of 40 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/20/2008 1:52 AM
The Commandments of Jesus:
 
So what commandments was Jesus speaking about?  Let's just see.  and if you say this is not his commandments, then show me something different.  Show me where Jesus commanded anyone to keep the law of Moses?  4th C.  where did Jesus command it? 
 
This is the COMMANDMENTS OF JESUS:
 

Mt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: (a direct command!)(1)

Mt 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (another direct COMMAND)(2)

Mt 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. (ANOTHER direct COMMAND.)(3)

Mt 10:8 Heal the sick,(4) cleanse the lepers,(5) raise the dead,(6) cast out devils:(7) freely ye have received, freely give. (8)

Mt 10:9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,(9)

Mt 10:10 Nor scrip for your journey,(10) neither two coats,(11) neither shoes,(12) nor yet staves:(13) for the workman is worthy of his meat.

Mt 10:11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, inquire who in it is worthy; (14)and there abide till ye go thence. (15)

Mt 10:12 And when ye come into an house, salute it. (16)

Mt 10:13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it:(17) but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. (18)

Mt 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. (19)

Mt 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Mt 11:1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities.

Now which one of those 19 COMMANDMENTS does your church teach, obey and keep?

If you break one of these LEAST  COMMANDMENTS, and teach men so, you will be least in his kingdom.  Which one of the 19 COMMANDMENTS do you obey and believe and teach?

and do not come saying this is not God's commandments, for Jesus Christ brought us GOD'S WORD.  he taught us God's way and God's COMMANDMENTS.

God said he put his WORD into the mouth of Jesus Christ.  This is GOD'S COMMANDMENTS?  Which of these do you obey and do?  please answer these questions instead of repeating your little circle.  There is much more to the Scripture, you know, or should know.

So you think I do not know the right interpretations, huh?  Well, then you teach the above 19 COMMANDMENTS OF JESUS CHIRST.  and if you say, this was only to the disciples of Jesus,  then I ask,  are we not disciples of Jesus?  I am, anyway.  You may not be, you are Moses' disciple.

and if you say these are not COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, then you must call Jesus a LIE.  do you?


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 Message 36 of 40 in Discussion 
From: DoveySent: 7/20/2008 2:04 AM
I keep repeating certain verses because it's that simple.  Posting lots of verses on a wrong CONCLUSION is useless. God's truth is built on the foundation of OBEDIENCE NOT DISOBEDIENCE.
 
God's salvation tells us to REPENT and to resist SIN. Scripture tells what sin is. ON those premises all the other verses in scripture come together to teach OBEDIENCE.
 
The Old Covenant ADMINISTERED the commandment on a physical level ONLY.  The New Covenant ADMINISTERED the Commandment on a SPIRITUAL level.  SAME Commandments only on a higher spiritual level.
 
God deals with our HEART.  The intent of the heart is what God is concerned with.  We can keep the letter of the law and be hypocrites like the Pharisees & Scribes.  OR...we can keep the spiritual intent of the SAME commandment and manifest the good fruits in OUR ACTIONS.
 
Simple. Nothing complicated.  God's Commandments are HOLY & GOOD.
 
King David expressed it so beautifully......"Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they [are] ever with me. I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies [are] my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts. Psalm119: 98-100
 
DOVEY

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 Message 37 of 40 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/20/2008 2:08 AM
With Mat. 5: 19,  You did isolate one verse to distort the meaning and try to make it fit your false doctrine.  This is the same way the Jesus only folks isolate one verse and distort what it is speaking about.
So, here is all of Matt. 5.  Let's just see what COMMANDMENTS he was speaking about:
 
<NOBR>Mt 5:1</NOBR> And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
<NOBR>Mt 5:2</NOBR> And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
<NOBR>Mt 5:3</NOBR> Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
<NOBR>Mt 5:4</NOBR> Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
<NOBR>Mt 5:5</NOBR> Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
<NOBR>Mt 5:6</NOBR> Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
<NOBR>Mt 5:7</NOBR> Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
<NOBR>Mt 5:8</NOBR> Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
<NOBR>Mt 5:9</NOBR> Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
<NOBR>Mt 5:10</NOBR> Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
<NOBR>Mt 5:11</NOBR> Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
<NOBR>Mt 5:12</NOBR> Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
<NOBR>Mt 5:13</NOBR> Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
<NOBR>Mt 5:14</NOBR> Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
<NOBR>Mt 5:15</NOBR> Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
<NOBR>Mt 5:16</NOBR> Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
<NOBR>Mt 5:17</NOBR> Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
<NOBR>Mt 5:18</NOBR> For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
<NOBR>Mt 5:19</NOBR> Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
<NOBR>Mt 5:20</NOBR> For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
<NOBR>Mt 5:21</NOBR> Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
<NOBR>Mt 5:22</NOBR> But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
<NOBR>Mt 5:23</NOBR> Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
<NOBR>Mt 5:24</NOBR> Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
<NOBR>Mt 5:25</NOBR> Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
<NOBR>Mt 5:26</NOBR> Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
<NOBR>Mt 5:27</NOBR> Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
<NOBR>Mt 5:28</NOBR> But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
<NOBR>Mt 5:29</NOBR> And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
<NOBR>Mt 5:30</NOBR> And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.(do you dare keep this commandment?)
<NOBR>Mt 5:31</NOBR> It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
<NOBR>Mt 5:32</NOBR> But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
<NOBR>Mt 5:33</NOBR> Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
<NOBR>Mt 5:34</NOBR> But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
<NOBR>Mt 5:35</NOBR> Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
<NOBR>Mt 5:36</NOBR> Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
<NOBR>Mt 5:37</NOBR> But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.(great commandment)
<NOBR>Mt 5:38</NOBR> Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
<NOBR>Mt 5:39</NOBR> But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.(Strong commandment)
<NOBR>Mt 5:40</NOBR> And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.(THOUGHT YOU COULD GET AWAY FROM THIS ONE HUH?  STILL A COMMANDMENT
<NOBR>Mt 5:41</NOBR> And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.(HOW BOUT THIS COMMANDMENT?)
<NOBR>Mt 5:42</NOBR> Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.(does the ten teach you this?  thought not)  but it is a COMMANDMENT CHRISTIANS MUST LIVE BY.
<NOBR>Mt 5:43</NOBR> Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
<NOBR>Mt 5:44</NOBR> But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
<NOBR>Mt 5:45</NOBR> That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
<NOBR>Mt 5:46</NOBR> For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
<NOBR>Mt 5:47</NOBR> And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
<NOBR>Mt 5:48</NOBR> Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

All of the above verses are  COMMANDMENTS  WHICH JESUS GAVE US.  Do you live by them?  Do you obey these commandments? Do these COMMANDMENTS  teach us what is right?  Do they teach us how to live a Christian life?  sure.  and they are all that can do it. Keeping ten will never do, for then you must disobey all of these!!!

Jesus said we must exceed that of the Pharisees?  Why?  Because they thought all they had to do was obey the ten of Moses. 

Jesus taught us the  TRUE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, ON HOW TO LIVE A HOLY, GODLY, AND PERFECT LIFE.

These are the COMMANDMENTS, HE WAS SPEAKING OF IN matt. 5.  Not your ten.  you do greatly err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/20/2008 2:14 AM
<NOBR>Mt 28:20</NOBR> Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have COMMANDed you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


Jesus did not say, teach then to observe what Moses commanded them.  He said, the things,  whatsoever have commanded you.

Go back and read Matt. 5 and 10.  these are things which JESUS COMMANDED US TO KEEP.

DO YOU?  DOES YOUR CHURCH?  THOUGHT NOT!!

DO YOU CAST OUT DEVILS?  THOUGHT NOT.  THEN YOU ARE NOT KEEPING HIS COMMANDMENTS.

DO YOU LOAN AND ASK NOT AGAIN?  IF NOT, YOU ARE BREAKING HIS COMMANDMENTS.

DO YOU HEAL THE SICK?  IF NOT, YOU ARE BREAKING HIS COMMANDMENTS.

AND-SO-ON.   CHECK OUT EACH ONE OF THESE LEAST COMMANDMENTS, AND SEE IF YOU ARE KEEPING THEM.

IF NOT, YOU HAVE NO PLACE IN HIS KINGDOM.  going to church on sat. will never get you there.  you must OBEY THESE COMMANDMENTS ABOVE IN MATT. 5 AND 10.  ALSO, DONT FORGET aCTS 10.

jO,  IN LOVE


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/20/2008 2:29 AM
Do you think that the LAW of Moses, could give eternal life?  Do you think that life came by the law of Moses?
 
No, it did not, could not.  God said that no law could give life.
 
But the  COMMANDMENTS OF GOD DID AND DOES:
 
<NOBR>Joh 12:49</NOBR>

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

 

<NOBR>Joh 12:50</NOBR> And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Here is proof that life could not have come by LAW:

<NOBR>Ga 3:21</NOBR> Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.


nO  law could have given us LIFE, else it righteousness should have been by the LAW. ( but it could not come by law.)

Is righteousness by the COMMANDMENTS?  yES.  BUT WHAT ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

iT CLEARLY IS THE WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST.

His father gave him a commandment and he spoke that commandment, and it is not LAW, FOR HE SAID HIS COMMANDMENT IS EVERYLASTING LIFE.

again I have proven what I am teaching with pure Scripture.  You have proven nothing.

I have proven here, with the very words of Jesus Christ, that his commandment came from God, and it is life.....and that life could not possibly have come by LAW,,,,,,,  thus proving what I have been telling you for weeks.>>.

that the law is not the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

These words of Jesus solidly PROVE THIS STATEMENT.

iF YOU DENY THIS,  YOU MUST CALL JESUS CHRST  a lie and a false prophet.

do you?  is your false church and their false doctrine more important to you than Jesus and his words?

I think so.

JO


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/20/2008 2:43 AM
King David expressed it so beautifully......"Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they [are] ever with me. I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies [are] my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts. Psalm119: 98-100
 

Do you know who spoke the above?  It was not David's words.  It is the words of Jesus, spoken in prophecy.

David was a prophet, writting the words of Jesus.

These are the COMMANDMENT which God gave to Jesus, which is recorded in Matt. 5 and 10 and acts 10.

These are the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, PROVEN BY THE FACT THAT IT IS WHAT JESUS TAUGHT, AND HE SAID GOD'S WORD, WHICH IS GOD'S COMMANDMENTS.

Peter also spoke the  commandment of God.

and all other scriptures you keep going to are about these commandment taught to the world by JESUS CHRIST,  not the law of Moses.

You do greatly err, not knowing the Word of God or truth.  You all do the same error that Jesus-only folks do,  pick out a few verse which they misinterpret and in so doing, think it is saying their false doctrine.

All of these verses on the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, IS SPEAKING ABOUT THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS CHRIST.

Jesus gave us the TRUTH AND GRACE.

Moses gave them law.

You do greatly err, thinking that law is the commandments.

Jo


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