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They had brought a woman taken in adultery to Jesus and asked him if he would honor Moses law and let them stone her to death. Well, you know what happened; Jesus baffled them by calling on those without sin to start the stone throwing; but first he had convicted them all of their own sins. He is smart. But what was He really doing? Of course --- what He came here for --- Grace and TRUTH came by Jesus Christ. Now they thought, and most everyone still thinks Jesus was under the LAW; but was He? He was MADE under the Law - meaning the Law time. Yet he himself, like Moses, the lawgiver, was under and in Grace. He is Grace. So by Grace, what was his rest? Not the 7th day weekly Sabbath. That is why he constantly broke it. See he was KEEPING THE SABBATH DAY --- BUT HE WAS KEEPING THE GRACE SABBATH. The 7th day, weekly, one day a week, Sabbath is the LAW Sabbath. But Jesus was of Grace; so He kept the Grace Sabbath of the Holy Ghost; was he not filled with the Spirit at his Baptism? Is not this the Grace way of doing things? Is not this the New Testament salvation? Did not Jesus refer to the New Testament in His blood? So, he did keep the Sabbath Day; but not their Law Sabbath. That is what angered them; they could not understand the NT. Sabbath Day - a Day of salvation- for the Holy Ghost was NOT YET GIVEN TO ANYONE EXCEPT JESUS. So, Jesus DID keep the whole law; but he was keeping it the Grace way. Glorious revelation! Thank you Lord Jesus for this great truth. He was the very first one to enter in at the strait gate, which leads to eternal life; He was in Grace; He was resting from his own works and doing the works of the Father. Jesus could not stone the lady; for he gave her grace. Jesus could not stop working on the 7th day rest for he was in grace. This is why he said, My Father works hitherto and I work. See, Both the Father and the Son keep the Grace Sabbath; not the Law Sabbath. | |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 8/29/2006 3:31 AM |
 I found this one. It is truly much too good to be just sitting there, lost on the back pages, never to be enjoyed and studied again. So I am glad I went 'fishing' tonight. brought some delicious food home to feed you. great big fish, and for all that much, the net did not break. After all, my Jesus told me where to cast my net. |
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Matt. 11:28 - Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest ( Here Matthew is speaking to those under the law) ( ‘laboring�?is the works of the law; we do not labor for Grace; it is given to us) Vs. 29 - Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. ( See, if you are in rest, you are not laboring -- the law is �?works�? laboring. Vs. 30 - For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. ( Remember, that the old law was only heaviness and hard on them? Jesus changed this and gave us something light and easy to do) Praise God for the victory; for deliverance from that old hard way of life; from that old law. Now, my dear friend, please take a few minutes of your time to stop and meditate on this. Jesus said come to me. He did not say come to Saturday. He said come to me and I’ll give you rest. The rest for your soul; not rest for your body. This is where the mix up comes in; you are still in the first covenant; that of the flesh. The law in the word is referred to as ‘flesh�?This is the one that lines up with the first man Adam. It is the one that God hated= the Essau. He did away with this ‘flesh�?‘laboring�?covenant. Those people in that covenant never did please God. The law is not of faith; without faith it is impossible to please God. So, why would God require us to go back to that? If it is not of Faith and you cannot please God without Faith, of what merit would there be in our returning back to that after Jesus gives us his rest and faith? I just do not see how anyone can fail to see this? It is just too plainly taught in the word. Just because we see that we are not under that old law, does not mean that we go out and commit murderer or other sins. No! We go by Commandments of the New Testament. It is Holy living. Those back under that law never did live Holy. He lives In us. He lives his holy life in us. That is the difference. They never had that under the law; neither do you law keepers of today. Jesus gives us rest to our souls. It is the second heaven. You are still in the first heaven which was done away with, Jesus is our rest. This rest is everyday; not just one day a week. The New Covenant is much more than the old. Jesus said we do not hate; for this Is murder. See, our standards are higher than those of the old. We keep the holy Commandments with the power of the Holy Ghost. But it is not the old law. I know that you cannot see what I am saying; for that old law blinds you. Gal. 3:11 - But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith Vs. 12 -And the law is not of faith: It is a curse: vs. 13-- Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law --- see? He redeemed us from the law? How much clearer does it need to be? He said it was a curse; he said It is not of faith; he said It cannot justify anyone to keep it. What more do you need? Our Sabbath is the rest that Jesus gives us; it is not something that we do. Vs. 24 - Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. vs., 25 - But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.= ( the law ---we are no longer under the law. If you are under the law, you have not yet come to Christ. The law is bondage: Paul said the same thing. Gal. 4:24 - Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. ( Now surely you know that this one is the one Moses got= the 10 Commandments)?---which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar ( Hagar and Ismael- the law = bondage= which is Agar= the one from Mt. Sinai) Vs. 25 - For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. If you are under the law you are one of the children of Agar- for you are a ‘child�?of the law= which is bondage. So said the Holy Word of God. |
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Wow, axs, what a magnificant message. This is becoming so clear, I really don't see how anyone who has ever studied here a while could stay in that bondage of law. You know, I never did believe I was under any part of law. But as I read about all those terrible things the OT people had to do and go through, I used to say, I am so thankful that I do not have to live like that, I am so thankful God does not hold that to us today. But the pity of all these people who believe they are back under law, is that they only attempt to keep a very small portion of this law, and let the rest go. But they are blinding themselves to the fact that God said if you go back to even one part of law, you are guilty of it all, You must then keep it all or be found guilty. I truly don't believe a person can have salvation this way. for they would then be trampling the blood of Jesus and do dispite to the Spirit of Grace. as much as we have both taught this, over and over, it could only be that they do not believe the Word of God. |
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This is a wonderful thread, showing much the difference between Law and Grace. that old law, was never given to a righeous man. It was given to those who were living sinful and rebellious lives, so God could bring them under condemnation and bring destruction on them. So all who go back under that law, are setting themselves under condemnation. The ten commandments were for SINNERS. iT WAS to bring people TO CHRIST. It is not for those of us who are already baptized INTO CHRIST. There is no sin in the body of Christ---so why would I need to be commanded not to murder? or steal? or use God's name in vain? or any of that stuff? I am not a sinner, so do not need that law, to keep me living righteous. Jesus was no a sinner, so he was not under that law of CONDEMNATION. People who claim he was under the law, keeping that old sabbath, are saying that Jesus was a sinner and had to be under condemnation or death. Jesus did not need a law commanding him not to murder. He was not a murderer. Neither did Joseph, Jacobs son. He was not under the law of condemnation, for he was a righteous man. He never had one single thought about needing to keep saturday as a sabbath. it was not there then. He lived a godly life all the time. So did Abraham. Neither one was under any law, demanding him to not steal, or kill, or bear false witness. They never even considered doing those evils. Neither do I. I am not under the law of condemnation. And if anyone says it is not condemnation, they must call the Word of God a lie. Will continue. |
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So then, what commandments are for those of us in grace? It is the teachings of Jesus Chirst. Did he teach the ten commandments? No. those words are not even mentioned in the NT, not one time. Got to be a reason. Only in the OT three times. Jesus was giving us laws by which we would perfect our christian life. We certainly are not murderers. So we do not need a law commanding us not to kill. But we may get into foolish talking at times, as young Christians. So we read, Lay aside foolish talking and jesting. So then we work on that and leave it out of our conversation. We already have the love for God and others, because of the Holy ghost he has given us. We have the REST to our souls, so no need for a sabbath law. We are not liars, so we do not need that. We may get some thoughts, at times, which are not Christ centered. So we read that we need to bring every THOUGHT into subjection to Christ. So we pray and work on that, perfecting HOLINESS in the fear of the Lord. We are taught to study the Word of God, to shew ourselves approved by God. So we study the Word and love it and grow thereby. We are told not to conform to the world, but to be transformed by the renewing of our minds. So we start changing the way we conduct our lives, and go contary to the ways of the world, Of course, this brings much reproach upon us....but we read that we are to count it a joy that we are worthy so suffer for his name sake. So we joyfully bear the reproach......perfecting Holiness in the fear of the Lord. This is a seven-day a week affair....not a one day a week thing. So we need no seventh day sabbath. it does not fit a Christian life. This is precisely why those still in carnal, dead, and sabbath churches, scoff at the idea of having to dress and act different from the world. They are not under the PERFECTING law. they have NOT yet come to Christ. they do not have the NT Spirit, the Holy Ghost. so they live carnal lives, thinking that going to church is saving them. such major deception! We read if you love the world and the things of the world the love of the Father is not in you. So we leave off the things of the world, for we do not love them. We pray for the sick; heal them. cast out devils. discern spirits. seek for the spiritual gifts. seek for the fruit of the spirit. seek more fullness of faith and holy ghost. perfecting Holiness in the fear of the Lord. THIS IS NT LIVING. THIS IS THE TRUE REST OF GOD. THIS IS THE NT COMMANDS WHICH BRING THE ALREADY CHILD OF GOD, TO PERFECTION. this is the big difference in living by Grace, NT commandmends, and living by that old law of Moses, by which is only condemnation, for it is not sanctified with the blood of Jesus, and does not give one the HOLY GHOST, BY WHICH WE LIVE HOLY AND HAVE TRUE LOVE. One is life = grace. the other is death = law. So why accuse Jesus of being under the condemnation law? He knew that God's seventh day is when Jesus sits down on his throne to rule, in his place. as our God. So it is not saturday. why would Jesus insinuate that it is? Think on this and you will see that Jesus was NOT KEEPING A WEEKLY SABBATH. And neither do Holy Ghost filled NT Christians. We only need the REFINING COMMANDMENTS OF GRACE, PERFECTING HOLINESS. These NT laws are for those who have ALREADY BEEN BAPTIZED INTO THE BODY OF CHIST. We do not need the old law of Moses. We are already so far beyond that, it would be no use and unable to bring us on into complete perfection. After we come to Christ, we no longer need a school master teaching us the basic things. We go on to PERFECTION. We have entered into the true REST OF GOD, having the Baptism of the holy ghost, by which we rest from our own works and rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ, as God rested from his work, to work no more, after Jesus became our God, to rule on the throne of God. Let us leave the foundation of baptism, of laying on of hands, and such, and go ON TO PERFECTION. We read the 'fine tuning' commands of Jesus, and bring our lives into his image, conforming to his teachings. This is why adventist churches, baptist, methodist, etc. do not pray for the sick and heal them...do not speak in tongues....do not discern spirits, ect. they have not yet come into Christ.....so they are still under the CONDEMNATION OF THE OT. We must be BAPTIZED INTO THE NT, SALVATION. Then we no longer need that old law. we now need the perfecting laws, or teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus needed no law commanding him not to take the name of God in vain. How dare any of you think he did! Same with old sabbath. he knew this: | Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. | | Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them. |
AND.....he knew this: | He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations |
He knew the OT law way was an abomination to God. He knew this: | For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. | | And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD |
He knew that the New Way of God would bring worshippers to God EVERY SINGLE DAY, FROM ONE SABATH TO ANOTHER, FROM THE OLD SABBATH TO THE NEW SABBATH. yES HE KNEW OF THE NT WAY OF LIFE. He knew that chapter one of Lam. shows that the old way of life, law, sabbaths etc. were totally abolished by God, and that it is captivity. So why would he go there? He knew that chapter two of Lam, shows that there was nothing but DEATH to that old covenant way of life. He knew this: | And he hath violently taken away his tabernacle, as if it were of a garden: he hath destroyed his places of the assembly: the LORD hath caused the solemn feasts and SABBATHs to be forgotten in Zion, and hath despised in the indignation of his anger the king and the priest. |
He knew that the LORD had caused the SABBATHS to be forgotten in Zion, and he was in Zion. He knew that God had despised the king and the priest of the OT. so why go there? and he knew this: | I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts. |
Yes, Jesus knew enough Scripture to KNOW THAT IT WAS GOD WHO CAUSED HER SABBATHS TO CEASE. So why would Jesus try to bring that back up and attempt to keep it, knowing that God hated it? what are you falsly accusing Jesus of? Think on this. And believe me, there is many more, just like these, which I could show. but surely, this is enough to any true Child of God. If you reject this much solid truth, you do but hate God's truth. and that is why you are still under that old death condemnation of Moses' law. Jo Smith Tweety, do you see now why I said Jesus was NOT KEEPING SOME WEEKLY SABBATH? HE KNEW IT IS NOT OF GOD. |
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No,Wog, It is dishonest to say it is only ten commandments. The entire word of God is his commandments, and we must obey it ALL. Which commandments was Abraham obeying? any idea? We must rightly discern it and keep the REST TO THE SOUL, REVEALED IN ISA. 28 AND FULFILLED ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST. tHE commandments of God are NOT THE LAW OF MOSES. Else why call it two different things? Do you honestly think That God commands us to keep those TEN commandments, and it does not matter about all the COMMANDMENTS WHICH JESUS TAUGHT? Jesus gave us the TRUE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. This is what we must keep. It covers a lot more territory than just those ten. That is only a tiny bit of the commandments of God, which Christians obey from the heart. Did you obey the COMMANDMENT IN ACTS 10? If not, you have no salvation. None of those ten can get you to salvation, but this one is acts 2 and ten does. so why focus on those which cannot give life, and ignor or disobey those which give life? Now that is what is not sensible. Dovey says nothing makes sense to her. This is the reason. She will not come into the new covenant. and I doubt you will. Do you have the baptism of the Holy Ghost? I mean the way they received in on the day of Pentecost? for that is still the only way. Sure, we are the ones who keep the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. not you law folks. |
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Wog, why didn't you finish the conversation between Jesus and the young man? Because it reveals YOUR hypocricy, to try to say that Jesus was saying that keeping only ten of God's commandments gives eternal life. Here it is: | The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? | | Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. | | But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. |
See, Jesus already knew that this man was a keeper of Moses' law. This is why he first went to keeping commandments. He was leading this man into seeing that this is NOT ENTERING INTO LIFE. The man knew this, he said, I have kept these things from my youth. He had never been a bad person. but he knew he did not have eternal life. ,,what lack I yet. This is why you who deny the NT Commandments, that do give eternal life, need to ask yourself. what do you now lack? You lack the one and only thing which CAN GIVE YOU LIFE. What did Jesus tell him? go to church on sat and this will surfice? No. this is not what the man lacked. If any man love the world and the things of the world, (riches, houses, lands, cars, boats, etc etc) the love of the Father is not in him. This is true commandments of God. Do you keep them? When the Jews asked Peter, the same question, what must we do to be saved.........what did Peter answer? any idea? Do you obey it? Do you want eternal life? either you or dovey. tell us....did you obey Peter? Do you believe him? what he telling it right? is it Scripture? Is the Book of Acts the word of God? Before you come back in here accusing us of disobeying God, answer these questions. if you truly want eternal life, you need to listen and obey the NT commandments. Obeying those others will not give you life. Dovey even admits this. yet refuses to obey God's NT Commandments. Jesus told the man, sell your possessions, take up your cross and FOLLOW ME. See he was not following Jesus. He was trying to get in by the works of law. It will never work. the man went away SORROWFUL. He did not receive the joy of the Lord, for he was NOT OBEDIENT. dOVEy, claims that nothing I say is sensible to her. Yet I come right behind and fully explain it.......and she ignores it. Why? Do either of you really want to understand? Do you want truth? Do you want eternal life? if so, obey the Acts 10 COMMANDMENT. hAVE YOU? If not, why are you carrying on about obeying commandments? Which command do you keep? Both of you. tell us. I know that all dovey thinks about is what she calls the 4th one. Are you the same? Yet I also know that she does NOT KEEP IT. SHE DISOBEYS IT. HOW BOUT YOU? HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT 'KEEPING' IT? OR OBEYING IT? i WANT TO KNOW. SHOW ME YOUR SCRIPTURE FOR HOW YOU OBEY IT. SHE WILL NOT DO SO. SO EITHER TELL US, OR STOP MENTIONING IT AS IF IT IS THE ONLY THING IN ALL SCRIPTURE WHICH COUNTS FOR ANYTHING!!! |
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wHY is it that you 'so-called' adventist, sabbath keepers, (sneer intended)-- think that everytime the words, COMMANDMENTS is mentioned in the Word of God, that it refers to those ten, written on stone..... and not to the thousands of others in God's word? Why do you narrow it down to only those ten? Do you think all the rest of God's word means NOTHING? You surely sound like it. you ignore the many other commandments and act as if they are NOTHING. It is the same God who gave it ALL. Jesus plainly declared that HE GAVE US GOD'S COMMANDMENTS. SO NOW, YOU MUST GO BY WHAT HE COMMANDED. he said his commandments are LIFE ETERNAL. SO WHY IGNORE THEM AND DISOBEY THEM? |
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Wog: PERHAPS YOU DO NOT REALIZE IT, BUT MALACHI'S BOOK IS THE LAST BOOK OF THE OLD TESTAMENT. IT IS SO FOR A REASON. GOD KNEW THERE WOULD BE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO WOULD CLAIM HE HAD CHANGED WHEN HE SENT THE CHRIST. PERHAPS YOU DO NOT REALIZE IT, BUT MALACHI'S BOOK IS THE LAST BOOK OF THE OLD TESTAMENT. IT IS SO FOR A REASON. GOD KNEW THERE WOULD BE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO WOULD CLAIM HE HAD CHANGED WHEN HE SENT THE CHRIST. ******* Me: No, God has never changed, He did not have to. Being under law was NEVER God's way or God's will. This is exactly why he sent Jesus to show the world the true will and way of God. grace, mercy is the will and way of God. There can be no mercy under law. the Word of God says they died WITHOUT MERCY under that law. You surely do not know any truth. Neither of you. And you did NOT receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost, if so you could not have MOCKED IT. It is even possibly to receive it and then turn from it, back to LAW, for the word shows this is Hebrews. but it also says it is impossible to RENEW these kind back to Christ, seeing they have crucified him afresh and put him to an open shame. Heb. 6 Now as for as my quoting Acts, 10, I have done so so many times here I just assume everyone knows it. If you do not read the Word of God enough to know this, how do you think you are an expert on what God means and what he does not mean? Now I will tell you the same thing I have told dovey. I have NEVER EVER denied God's Commandments, nor Have I told anyone to disobey them. I have never said God law is sin. So do not falsly accuse me of this again. If you do, you better be quoting me, by pasting my words here. Just because you have no understanding of what is truth, does not give you the right to slander and LIE about me, thus breaking the commandment, do not bear false witness. |
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Wog: Sure, we are the ones who keep the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. not you law folks. NOW THAT IS ABSURD THINKING. YOU DENY THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, CLAIMING THE CHRIST CHANGED THEM. GOD MADE THIS ONE THING VERY CLEAR: ******* Me: I do not deny any commandments of God. Do not falsly accuse me of this again. I have never claimed that Christ changed them. So do not falsly accuse me of this again, either. I said we are NOT UNDER LAW. There is a big difference. Jesus certainly did teach commandments of God which are NOT RECORDED IN THE TEN. In fact most of what he taught is not in the ten. All of this is already written many, many times in the conversations with dovey. why not go read some of all of that before you engage in all of this false sayings. Jesus never told anyone to live by law or to keep any sabbath. Just because you say God CHANGED how to do it, does not make it so. HE CHANGED THE ENTIRE LAW. Jesus is not a PRIEST of that old covenant. You are not a Christian and you care not for it. You do pretend, to deceive your own soul. | For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. | | What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. |
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The above verses shows what a Christian is living as..... = not under law.....BUT, see the contrast? under grace. You cannot be both. You are not a Christian. You are NOT LED OF THE SPIRIT, WHICH IS THE HOLY GHOST. just keep on deceiving yourself all you wish. in the end, you will surely regret it. ....listening to the lies of your cult instead of studying and believing the Word of God! So, you don't think the LAW was changed? You must not read Scripture. Here is proof: | For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. | | For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. | | For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. | | And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, | | Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. | |
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The commandments of God are still valid to those who are not in Grace. His commandments are every single word of Scripture. Jesus taught us the Grace way of living. It is a much higher way of life, holiness and righteousness than living under law. There is a big difference in the meaning of COMMANDMENTS AND BEING UNDER LAW. aBRAHAM was not living under any ten laws. But he was of FAITH. The law is not of faith, so says scripture. This is exactly why it does not please God. (how much do you study Scripture? I seriously doubt you study it at all. since you do not know the COMMANDMENT given in Acts 10, you could not read it much) No person living a righteous life is a murder, so he needs no law to not kill. It was only given to the unrighteous and the wicked. No Holy person is going to steal. so we need no law. same with all the others. What LAW can cause anyone to LOVE GOD OR PEOPLE? it is impossible. Only by the infilling of the Holy Ghost is LOVE possible to anyone. tHE Holy Ghost does not work by law. In fact, you cannot have it, for it is the Spirit of Grace, and be under law. This is why Paul said if you go BACK to law, YOU FALL FROM GRACE. But we have not changed any of God's commandments. The LAW was changed, because the PRIESTHOOD was changed. Jesus Christ is NOT A PRIEST OF THAT OLD LAW. That law is the ministration of condemnation. thus it is the LAW OF SIN AND DEATH. This is NOT saying that the LAW is sin. It is a law that when you sin, you must die for it. If you are under that law, God will someday judge you by that law and you will DIE, THE SECOND DEATH. Because by trying to serve God by the works of the law, you are putting Christ to an open shame and trampling his blood under your feet, calling it an unholy thing. that old law is only sanctified by the blood of animals, not the blood of Jesus. since you went back to law, you certainly must still keep the commandments. But of course, this blocks you from keeping the commandments which do give life! I see you know nothing about the word of God. |
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Let me see you deal with this: Ac 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. Ac 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question. Ac 15:3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren. Ac 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. Ac 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. Ac 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. Ac 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. Ac 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; Ac 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Ac 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? [This is what you, dovey and beffers, and many like you, are doing. ..telling the saints of God, who came to God by just FAITH, not the works of the law, that they must now go back and keep the law of Moses to be saved. But these Apostles called it TEMPTING GOD, TO PUT A YOKE UPON THE NECK OF THE DISCIPLES, WHICH NONE BEFORE THEM COULD BEAR. NOW this is why I kept telling you to read Acts 15. But you will not, for you hate the NT and refuse its teachings. But I have an obligation to God and to others, to teach this truth here.] Ac 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. [Here these Jewish Apostles, say they believe to be saved as those Gentiles were, purely by FAITH, NOT THE WORKS OF THE LAW. AND THEY WILL SHOW THEY DO NOT NEED TO GO BACK AND KEEP THE LAW AFTER BEING SAVED. Ac 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. Ac 15:13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: Ac 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. Ac 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, Ac 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: Ac 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Ac 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. Ac 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: Ac 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. Ac 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day . [Here James told these Christians not to worry about the things of law and showed that it is the law of Moses being read in synagogues on Sabbath days. It is not the Christians way of doing things.] Ac 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: Ac 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: Ac 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: [Now if these chosen Apostles of Jesus said this is SUBVERTING YOUR SOULS, THAT IS WHAT IT IS, TO SAY YE NEED TO GO BACK TO KEEPING THE LAW OF MOSES, THOSE TEN, THEY GAVE NO SUCH COMMANDMENT TO THESE CHRISTIANS. SO NOT, WHO IS GOING BY THE Word of God, you or me?] Ac 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, Ac 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Ac 15:27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. Ac 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; Ac 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. [See, the Holy Ghost does not lay this burden of law on the saints of God.] |
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The entire word of God is his commandments, and we must obey it ALL. Which commandments was Abraham obeying? any idea? YES...THIS ONE: GE 17: 9 Then God said to Abraham, "As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant." IT IS THE SAME TODAY. BELIEVERS UNDER THE NEW COVENANT MUST BE CIRCUMCISED. ******* Me: Now I will show you how you do distort Scripture, to try to prove your false doctrine. btw. are you going to just ignore everything I write, proving you to be wrong, as Dovey and most all others do? If so, why should I sit here, taking up my time writing these things? Either deal with what I give you, or no need for the discussions. Now, Circumcision was NOT a covenant. It was a sign of a covenant. It was a token. Abraham was not under the law covenant. It was given to moses. it was aboslished by God, because it is the law which brings people under condemnatiion. It makes them all GUILTY. No mercy is extended under this law. It is not of faith. Abraham lived by FAITH. The law was not given to Abraham. He is the father of the righteous, not Moses. Everything in the OT was only TYPES AND SHADOWS of the true Heavenly things, in the NT. So this fleshly circumcision in the flesh, was only a shadow of the true Circumcision, made without hands. Here is the COMMANDMENT, WHICH GETS OUR SINS REMITTED, WHICH WAS NEVER POSSIBLE UNDER LAW. | For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, | | Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? | | And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. |
tHE reason Peter COMMANDED those who had received the Holy Ghost to be water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ is this: | What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? | | God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? | | Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? | | Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. | | For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: | | Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. |
Paul shows clearly here, that those of us in grace do not live in sin. We are buried with him in baptism. by baptism we are baptized INTO HIS DEATH. then we are raised to walk in newness of life, as he was at his resurrection. This is the circumcision made without hands. Here is another Scripture saying this same thing, thus establishing it as God's truth: | In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: | | Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. |
So by the right kind of baptism, we are buried with Jesus, and then raised to walk in a new life, without a body of sin. This is how the true Christians lives a holy and Godly life, in this present world.......not by having to strive to keep laws. The nature of Jesus has been placed into us by the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost was sent to REPROVE THE WORLD OF SIN. We need not an old law for this matter. Righteousness lives in us. So according to the COMMANDMENT OF THE LORD GIVEN IN ACTS 10, AND ACTS 2, YE MUST BE WATER BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF YOUR SINS. have you obeyed this COMMANDMENT? |
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