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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 3/12/2007 1:59 AM
From: joie  (Original Message) Sent: 9/12/2005 1:48 PM

~ Begotten ~ ***9/11/05

What is the Word of God calling begotten children? Is it speaking of one’s natural children? If so, then why does the Word say that Isaac was the only begotten son of Abraham? Of course in the flesh it does at times call natural children begotten. But for the most part, God is speaking of spiritual children.

One must learn to ‘hear�?the Word of God Spiritually in order to get the truth. For instance read this: Nu11:12 Have I conceived all this people? have I BEGOTTEN them, that thou shouldest say unto me, Carry them in thy bosom, as a nursing father beareth the sucking child, unto the land which thou swarest unto their fathers?

See that - a nursing father? Now in the natural, who ever heard of a nursing father? See this has to be spiritual. He is speaking of the father who feeds his children the Word or milk of God.

Isa49:21 Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath BEGOTTEN me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left alone; these, where had they been?

Now that is Jesus speaking. He is speaking of the NT Christians when he asked who has begotten me these. He lost the other children, which were the OT Law people. So this ‘begotten�?has to be spiritual. He is asking who converted all these people to me or in other words, who ‘fathered�?them in the gospel. Who brought them into the kingdom of God.

Ho 5:3 I know Ephraim, and Israel is not hid from me: for now, O Ephraim, thou committest whoredom, and Israel is defiled. Ho 5:4 They will not frame their doings to turn unto their God: for the spirit of whoredoms is in the midst of them, and they have not known the LORD. Ho 5:5 And the pride of Israel doth testify to his face: therefore shall Israel and Ephraim fall in their iniquity; Judah also shall fall with them.

Ho 5:6 They shall go with their flocks and with their herds to seek the LORD; but they shall not find him; he hath withdrawn himself from them. [This is because God turned to the NT salvation. They were trying to still find God under law, but it can not be done.]

Ho 5:7 They have dealt treacherously against the LORD: for they have begotten strange children: now shall a month devour them with their portions.

Ho 5:8 Blow ye the cornet in Gibeah, and the trumpet in Ramah: cry aloud at Bethaven, after thee, O Benjamin.

Ho 5:9 Ephraim shall be desolate in the day of rebuke: among the tribes of Israel have I made known that which shall surely be.

See that the above Scripture is speaking of Israel being defiled and a whore against God. This reaches down to the end when the church is in this same condition of whoredoms. See verse nine, he said among the tribes of Israel have I made known that which shall surely be. He has shown all that is to come later, in those twelve tribes. So this condition is in the church today. They have begotten strange children. This means they are pretending to be the children of God, but they are in fact Satan’s children, for they were begotten of whoredom.

It is totally spiritual. If you try to understand this from a natural standpoint, you will miss it completely.

Now see this dealing treacherously against the LORD by begetting STRANGE children would have to be spiritual. It is saying these ‘churched�?people are not truly born of God, for they brought up another ‘plan�?of salvation other than that which God set up on the Day of Pentecost. There is no other means of salvation. If you try to convert children to God some other way, they are STRANGE children. They are not begotten of God.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Now everyone, carefully read those verses. It is speaking of God and His Word. It is NOT speaking of Jesus. It said the WORD was with God and the Word was God. It did not say Jesus was with God and Jesus was God. It did not say that at all. When it said all things were made by him, it is speaking of God. All things were made by God and His Word.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Now I have written many message explaining the above verse. But people are fully indoctrinated with error that they cannot receive the truth. This is NOT speaking of the natural birth of Jesus as a human being. The Word was not made into a human person. We are not told that we must eat this human person in order to have eternal life. Go into Romans 1:3 and you will see that Jesus was only called the begotten Son on the day of his resurrection, not the day he was born as a baby. Now the resurrected Christ was in the image of God. The human baby was in the image of sinful man.

So the begotten Son of God was the risen Christ. This was the manchild of Jesus, not Mary. It was the inner man of Jesus brought forth out of the grave in perfection. This was when, where, and how the Word was made flesh. It is Spiritual Flesh. It is not natural flesh. Only in the glorification was Jesus in the image of God. Even then, He is not God. He is only given to be our God because of his total obedience to God. This man, raised from the dead by God himself, is the one and only human being which God himself begot in his own likeness and image. All the rest of us will be begotten by Jesus into the likeness and image of Jesus. God said he predestinated for us to become transformed into the image of his son.

See also that Jesus called us HIS children. We are begotten of Jesus. So to call Jesus God is to totally miss the fact that Jesus was the only human being God has ever or will ever give to set upon the throne of God and rule as God with all the same power and authority of God.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

See here that it said no man hath seen God at ANY TIME. So if Jesus were God, then this would be incorrect, would it not? But he said the only begotten Son has declared him. This is the resurrected Christ. HE is the only begotten Son of God. The rest of us will be raised up from the dead by Jesus Christ. Thus we are the begotten children of Jesus, and through Jesus we are sons of God.

Ac 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, Ac 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. Ac 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. Ac 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Now notice that he proves right here that the day God beget this Son was the day He raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus is declared to be the first BEGOTTEN from the dead. So this verse alone proves the ‘Begotten�?is not speaking of when Mary birthed Jesus. Was she the dead? Of course not. There is just too much proof of this in the Word of God for so many to be totally deceived about this.

1Cor 4:14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.

1Cor 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

1Cor 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

1Cor 4:17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.

Now there is full proof that the begetting is spiritual. See that Paul said they are his children for he begot them through the gospel. It was not natural, it was spiritual. See also that he called Timotheous his son. This is not natural, but spiritual, for we know that Timothy was not the natural son of Paul. Paul begot him in the gospel as a child of God.

Phm 1:10 I beseech thee for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten in my bonds:

This verse also proves that Paul was speaking of converting them to Christ when he said I have begotten them. Surely you know that Paul did not naturally beget Onesimus while in his bonds?

Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son. Heb 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

Now see this says that Isaac was the only begotten son of Abraham. Yet we know that Abraham also had Ishmael before he had Isaac. So then it has to be speaking of the SPIRITUAL child here. It is showing here that the begotten is speaking of the one to whom the spiritual seed of God would pass. See that Ishmael is not counted for the spiritual seed here. Sure Abraham beget Ishmael in the natural, but don’t you see here that it said Isaac was the only begotten Son of Abraham? Also Abraham had five other sons by Keturah after Sarah died. They are also not called his begotten son here. So this thing is showing that the spiritual seed passed through Isaac and none of the others. This verse alone PROVES that when it speaks of the ‘begotten�?son, it is showing the one through which the SPIRITUAL SEED PASSES. Learn this!

1Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Now there is more proof that the begotten has to do with the spiritual birth and this is connected with the resurrection of Jesus. It is just solidly proven in all these Scriptures. This revelation shows that God, the Father, passed His Holy Seed of Life through Jesus Christ down to us! My, what glory!

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

There is more proof that the time Jesus was begotten was at the time of his resurrection. So it is speaking spiritual and not natural. It is not speaking of when Mary gave birth to Jesus. It is speaking of when God raised him from the DEAD.

Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

There is where, when, and how Jesus was set up by God to be worshipped as God. It does not mean that Jesus is actually God. It means that we now worship Jesus and this makes him be our God. He is also our Father in that he is the one who begets us to God. He passes his Holy Seed into us. So by this we are begotten of Jesus. We become sons of God through Jesus Christ.

Now for one more proof before I go into the genealogies.

John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

Ro9:7 Neither, because they are the SEED OF ABRAHAM, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Joh 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Ro 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Now don’t you see here that all the natural seed of Abraham are not counted as his children. The Spiritual seed are the children. The promise to Abraham was to his seed through faith, therefore it passed only through those who came into grace or faith. Being the seed of Abraham did not make them be what God called children. There is a vast difference between the natural seed and the children of God.

Ro 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, [Abraham is the natural father of his seed, and he is the spiritual father of the children, not Adam]. See a mystery here: Eve is called the Mother of all living, but Adam is not called our father. Abraham is called the father of us all. Why is this?

Ga 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Ga 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

Now that is enough Scripture to prove to the hardest person that the begetting of children is in the spirit, not in the flesh. Another thing I want to point out here is that you will never find that it said God is the God of Adam. God is spoken of as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob numerous times in the Word. He is also called the God of Jesus many times in the Word.

Now that I have proven to you by the Scriptures that the begotten son means the one through which the spiritual seed passes, let me show you why the genealogies in Matt. and Luke are so vastly different. Also this will prove to you that Adam is not in the spiritual line.

Mt 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Now do you consider why this does not say Jesus is the son of Adam? Wonder why? Since almost everyone thinks that Adam still remained as a holy son of God, why is he not mentioned here? It is because the spiritual line only goes back to Abraham. Abraham is the father of us all, not Adam. In the natural flesh it goes back to Adam. But the spiritual seed starts with Abraham. Now the genealogy in Matt. is giving the SPIRITUAL line from Abraham to Jesus Christ. It is NOT giving the fleshly, natural line. That is given in Luke.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/12/2007 2:01 AM
From: joie Sent: 9/12/2005 1:49 PM

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Mt 1:2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;

Abraham is the beginning of the Spiritual seed line to Christ. It is not dealing with the fleshly fathers. It is showing the spiritual fathers. Isaac and Jacob were also spiritual, so this spiritual line passed through them. Next Judas picked up this spirit seed and passed it on to his son Phares. Now Phares had a twin brother, Zara. But see that the spiritual seed passed through Phares, just as it had through Jacob and not Esau. The spiritual seed passed into God’s second Son, Jesus and not in that first son, Adam.

Mt 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

Now if you write down all the generations listed here from Abraham to Jesus and count them, you will see that there were only 41 generations. So what does this mean? It means that Jesus was a human man, and he counted as a separate generation from the generation of CHRIST.

Christ is that 42nd generation! So see then that Christ was the inner-man of Jesus? He came out of that grave as a separate generation from the Jesus who went into that grave! That is proof that Christ, the Emmanuel, was the son of the virgin, Jesus, and not the son of the virgin, Mary. Mary did NOT birth Emmanuel. She birthed the Jesus who gave spiritual birth to the Christ.

Jesus ended the generations of Adam, which started in Genesis. Christ started the Generations of Jesus Christ, which is the LAST of the generations. There will never be another one. You are either in the generations of Jesus Christ [faith] or you are in the generations of Adam [carnal flesh].

Now if you go into the genealogy in Luke, it starts at Jesus: Lu 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

Now being the ‘son of�?means in the flesh. It is not the same as the ‘begotten�? This genealogy goes all the way back to Adam, which was the son of God.

Now many suppose that because this says that Adam was the son of God, that it means that Adam stayed righteous and died righteous. But this is far from the truth. He was the son of God only by creation. He was never begotten as a son of God. He died lost. He became wicked, rebelled against God and never repented. His sins are held against him till the end. His sins are remembered by God and named all the way down into the NT, proving Adam never repented or was forgiven. Adam was lifted up in pride and haughtiness which God hates. Adam was jealous of God and wanted to be God.

The very fact that Abraham is called the father of us all, shows that Adam is not the father of the righteous. He is not counted in the genealogy in Matt because he was not in the Spiritual seed line.

There are more men named between Abraham and Jesus in Luke than there are in Matt because there were more in the fleshly line than there was in the spiritual line. Sometimes a man did not pass the spiritual seed into his son. It passed from this man into his grandson. This is proven many times with their kings. One king would be righteous and serve God. His son would be evil, but his grandson would pick back up on the spiritual seed and serve God. So this shortened the number of men in the spiritual line. But everything concerning the Spiritual life is very precise with God. It could not be by pure accident that there could be three exact divisions of this line. There were fourteen generations from Abraham to David; fourteen between David and the carrying away into Babylon and from there to Christ is another fourteen generations. This had to be for a definite purpose with God. There is no such precision in the genealogy in Luke. The flesh is not so determined as the Spirit.

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. [Eve was the mother of all living.] See this connection here? Eve is synonymous with Holy Jerusalem. What about Adam?

God had two sons. Abraham is representing God is Gal. 4. Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. So who is this bondchild? It is Adam and all who follow the flesh as Adam did. It is law. Adam plunged the entire world into law or bondage. So Adam was God’s son in bondage. The bondchild shall not be heir with the freechild. Jesus Christ was the freechild. But notice something. Jesus before the resurrection was UNDER LAW. So the first man Adam, [his fleshly life] was in bondage. Everyone is in bondage so long as you live after the flesh, or the outer man. See then that the outer man, Jesus, could not be heir with the free child, the inner man, or Christ. Jesus, the outer man was sent into hell and done away with. But the inner man, the Christ or Emmanuel, forming inside Jesus all his life, was resurrected into eternal life. Then the bondchild was not heir with this freechild. Henceforth know we Christ no more after the flesh.

But with Adam the bondchild was never dropped. He lived after the flesh, or ate of the dust, all his life. He had no inner Christ developing inside. He was totally given over to sin, law, and flesh. He was the dust. He ate of that fleshly life all his days. He never repented and served God again. That is why God is never called the God of Adam. Adam was the god of Adam. Adam is the bondchild. If you live after the flesh you shall die as did Adam. You will never have eternal life as did Jesus.

But God did not place Adam under that bondage of law. Adam chose this himself. So does everyone else who lives in bondage to law. God had placed Adam under grace or life in the beginning. God had commanded Adam NOT to eat of that law tree, for it brings DEATH. So Adam passed from life unto death. Only in Jesus Christ, through the Holy Ghost, may we again pass from death unto life. We are all born in the bondage of this human flesh which Adam plunged us into. The body itself is a prison of bondage. We will be delivered from this bondage at our resurrection IF we have served God and left the flesh and walked in the Spirit. This is absolutely the only way back to freedom, or the Holy Jerusalem.

Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Isaac was born after the promise. What was the promise? God promised Eve that her seed would bruise the head of that serpent. That was the promise. God kept his promise to Eve and brought that righteous seed in her down to Jesus Christ, who did indeed bruise that head of evil in the serpent. See that those born after the flesh persecute those born after the Spirit. See then that Adam and Cain were persecuting the righteous. Cain killed the righteous brother, Abel. This grieved Eve for she saw her hope of the righteous seed cut off. But when she birthed Seth she rejoiced for she now saw another righteous seed line up. So that righteous seed came from Eve into Seth. From this seed came Jesus who was the fulfillment of that promise to Eve. See also that it was the fleshly Jerusalem, which now is and is in bondage of law, which was persecuting that righteous seed in the days of Jesus and that early church. Those very religious hypocrites [serpents] of the Pharisees and the chief priests were the very ones who persecuted and killed Jesus. They then proceeded to persecute and kill the Christians. It was that same old murdering spirit from Cain on down. Satan was a murderer from the beginning. This killing of Abel is exactly where that murder was committed.

Ga l4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Cast OUT the bondwoman and her son. So God cast Adam out of that Garden of Eden. The serpent was the ‘son�?of Adam, or his carnal mind. It is just the same as Christ was the ‘son�?of Jesus. It is your inner man or the mind. To be carnally minded is DEATH. Adam had become carnally minded when he disobeyed God and went into law, so he could rule over Eve and be god. Adam set up the animal sacrifices, for that law demands the death of animals. Hebrews said that they are offered by the law. All of this is that carnal mind. That carnal mind is the serpent. The Christians are not children of that bondwoman, law. We are of the freewoman, grace. Law is bondage and death. To be carnally minded is death.

Mt 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, Mt 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

Sitting in Moses�?seat means they were the rulers in law. The scribes and Pharisees were of law.

Mt 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, Mt 23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

This identifies the pastors of the churches today. Also that they do their works [build buildings] to be seen of men.

Mt 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Mt 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

Every bit of this identifies the pastors of today and of course all of it fits Adam. Whatever you read of evil in the Word shows all that Adam was and became. They will take their ‘tithes�?from widows and call it righteous. They are hypocrites. A hypocrite is the serpent. Look it up.

Mt 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. Mt 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Mt 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

See that he called them BLIND. This is the blind church of today. They look so beautiful on the outside but inside those churches you will find the DEAD.

Mt 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, Mt 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Mt 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Mt 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

Mt 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Now you either must call this Scripture and Jesus a lie or admit that these religious hypocrites are the very same kind of serpent as was in that Garden of Eden, talking to Eve. It was that carnal, hypocrite mind of Adam, her husband, whom she trusted to tell her the truth. How can they escape the damnation of hell?

See also that he said they are the one who killed all the righteous people. They shed all the righteous blood upon this earth. So this proves that the serpent/Satan, began with Adam and Cain.

Mt 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: Mt 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Mt 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation

What generation is Jesus speaking of here? He told them they have shed all the righteous blood on earth and will yet kill all the ones He will send to them. He is speaking to that generation of ADAM, that first serpent. There are only two main generations listed in Scripture, that of Adam and Jesus Christ.

Mt 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Mt 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Now there is full proof that the murder of Abel by Cain is included in this generation of the guilty serpents. Do you think that Jesus was only speaking to those men standing there in front of him and saying that they are guilty of killing Abel? Of course not. Is he telling them that all these things shall come upon them personally? No. He is speaking to that generation of Adam, the serpent. It has to be either the generation of Adam [Gen 5] or the Generation of Jesus Christ [Mat one]. One of these two generations is the serpent. Which one do you think it is? Did the Christians go about persecuting and killing? No, they were persecuted and killed.

Mt 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Mt 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Now that positively settles it that Jesus meant the Jerusalem, which now is and is in bondage with her children, when he called them Serpents and vipers and the murderers of all the righteous from Abel to the end. They are the desolate ones. They are those in bondage. Bondage is law. Bondage is the flesh or dust. Bondage is that carnal mind. Adam is that son of bondage. Adam is SATAN.

No message on Adam or the serpent could ever be complete without this chapter in Matthew 23.

By: Jo Smith

 
 

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/12/2007 2:02 AM
From: joie Sent: 9/12/2005 3:59 PM
To.....JF....or any others who wish to learn more about this truth of Adam and Jesus.....here is the message I said I would do explaining how the genealogies in Matt and Luke differ, why, and how this proves Adam is not in the spiritual line of the Holy Seed.
 
He was never begotten of God.   He is satan.  He is set for total destruction and then Jesus will take over his rightful place as ruler of this earth.
 
As Saul was first anointed to rule, then David....but David had to wait until Saul was dead, for that anointing rested upon Saul EVEN AFTER SAUL WAS CUT OFF BY GOD FOR HIS DISOBEDIENCE AND REFUSAL TO OBEY GOD......
 
PEOPLE,  THIS IS THE PERFECT TYPE AND PICTURE OF THIS THING BETWEEN ADAM [THE FIRST ANOINTED]AND JESUS......THE NEXT AND WILL BE ETERNAL KING.
 
But Jesus must wait until after Adam is taken down and cast into the lake of fire before Jesus can come into his kingdom and rule on earth.  He is ruling now in heaven.....but he cannot take away Adam's role as ruler on this earth so long as God allows Adam to live in that spirit world.
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/12/2007 2:03 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameSearERIC</NOBR> Sent: 9/13/2005 10:31 AM
Jo, you need to give up lying on Adam!
He is not satan! Satan is the serpent, Cain is of Satan, you cannot prove Satan and Adam is the same.
 
Eric

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/12/2007 2:03 AM
From: joie Sent: 9/13/2005 12:58 PM
Eric, I ALREADY proved it.....with Scripture....not just words as you do.
 
Have any of you taken the time to search the Scriptures as Jesus told us to do,  to see if this teaching is true or not?  Have you?  Do you even care? No you do not care.  You only wish to go on in your deception which old whore church gave you. 
 
If there is a true child of God reading here, they will take the time to study this message in the Word of God.  seek for the truth.
 
I grant you, not one of you has yet taken this to the Word of God to seek the answers.
 
So Mr. Eric.  You say Cain was of the serpent, satan.  Now explain just how this is.  Use Scripture.  I still challenge you all,  show me one verse of Scripture, [not your own words]  saying Adam is righteous.......adam repented...adam was saved....or anything of this nature.
 
Show me where the righteous line came through Adam.  I grant you, it is not there.
 
Why do you think God by-passed the man and brought his Holy son into this world BY A WOMAN?  HUH?  Got any answers?
 
JO

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 Message 6 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/12/2007 2:08 AM
I wanted to show this matter of the day Jesus was   'begotten'.  I knew I already had this message written.  But when I looked at all the special boards, I did not see it.
 
So I went  'fishing' to find it.  I am surprised when I remember some of my great messages, then I find that I have not yet posted them into the special boards.
 
Most people will never find them and read them way   yyyyyyyy   back on the General board.
 
I see that Tweety has asked the question, on her group, about this matter of when Jesus was begotten.
 
of course the answer to this question will be answered with man's lying doctrines, as all the other questions are.
But I have the truth of this and it is in this message.
 
It is what the Scripture says about this,  not some man's false doctine.
 
How many people really want truth enough to turn away from men's false teachings and see what the Word of God really says?
 
If not, then you will continue on in darkness until death takes you into the regions of the lost.  Darkness is not life or light.
 
Jo

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 Message 7 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameTweety134Sent: 2/9/2008 7:25 PM
Freeborn,
I got searching this subject out because Jesus was "Begotten". Jesus was NOT created like Adam. I will have to read this more slowly and study it out.  Tweety

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 Message 8 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 2/11/2008 7:54 PM
Hi, Tweety.  I hope you get the answers you seek here.  Hope many others will also study this truth and let God speak to you.

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 Message 9 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/26/2008 4:56 PM
Tweety, Dovey, and anyone who wants the truth.  Study this message.  It has the scripural answers on how the begotten Son of God came to be.  It explains what  'begotten' means.  Begotten does not mean our natural birth or conception.  It is SPIRITUAL conception.
 
I am sending this back to the top, for it fits exactly what we are now discussing on the other threads.  Did you ever study this and see the truth?
 
Jo

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 Message 10 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameTweety134Sent: 7/30/2008 12:05 PM
Freeborn,
I truly enjoyed reading this message again this morning. It has uplifted my heart.
 
Tweety

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/30/2008 2:17 PM
Tweety, I am glad you enjoyed it.  I did also when I read it again.  Good to hear from you again.  Hope all is going well with you.
 
Jo

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