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Organic : structural formula for alkanes
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From: MSN Nicknamekathy_4ever2006  (Original Message)Sent: 6/13/2006 6:45 PM
hi it is me agian! anyways thanks for checking my questions! :)
but i was wondering if you could help me out on structural formulas
my first question is um.. does it matter what side you put the things on.. let me give you an example:
2-methyl-3ethyl-hexane
okay so this is what i got
         

        Ch3 <o:p></o:p>

          l

CH3-CH-CH-CH2-CH2-CH3 

<o:p>               l<o:p></o:p>

             CH2<o:p></o:p>

                l<o:p></o:p>

             CH3

 

okay but suppose i wrote it like this:

 

                     Ch3 <o:p></o:p>          

                       l

CH3-CH2-CH2-CH-CH-CH3 

                              l<o:p></o:p>

                            CH2<o:p></o:p>

                               l<o:p></o:p>

                             CH3

 

which is right. and if it does matter what side you put it on how can you tell?

thanks oo one more thing could you possibly check my work there are some I am not to sure about thanks!

</o:p>
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From: MSN Nickname·Steve·Sent: 6/13/2006 8:32 PM
The structures didn't copy very well, but if you are comparing
 
       CH3
        |
CH3-CH-CH-CH2-CH2-CH3
             |
            CH2
             |
            CH3

and
 
                           CH3
                           |
CH3-CH2-CH2-CH-CH-CH3
                      |
                     CH2
                      |
                     CH3

then it doesn't matter, since you would arrive at the same name in each case, 3-ethyl-2-methylhexane.  If you get the same name, it must the same compound!
 
 
On the other problems,
 
a)   OK but missing a hydrogen
b)   OK but the name should be 4-ethyl-3,3,4-trimethyloctane (alphabetize the groups)
c)   OK (well that's an easy one!)
d)   OK
e)   OK but the name should be 3-ethyl-2-methylhexane
f)   The name should be 3,3-diethyl-4,5-dimethyl-5-propyldecane
g)   OK but missing a hydrogen
h)   OK
i)   Replace two hydrogens on carbons 1 and 3 with methyl groups:

         H         H
          |          |
     H–C––––�?STRONG>C–H
          |          |
          |          |
     H�?STRONG>C–––––C–H        cyclobutane
          |           |
         H         H

You can have the cis isomer (both CH3 groups on the same side of the ring, top side or bottom side) or the trans isomer (the CH3 groups are on opposite sides of the ring).

j)   Dimethylpropane.  This is a case where, strictly speaking, numbers aren't needed because there is only one possible "dimethylpropane" which is 2,2-dimethylpropane.  If you put a CH3 on an end carbon, it will be a butane, not a propane anymore, and if you put both CH3s on the ends, you'll have pentane! 
 

Steve