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| | From:  imaservant2 (Original Message) | Sent: 3/5/2007 6:25 AM |
Did Noah take just two of each kind of animal on the ark?
Was Elijah taken up in a chariot of fire?
Was Satan an angel before his fall?
Were there three wisemen who came to the manger of Jesus?
Do angels sing?
The answers to each question is "no". If you answered "yes" to any, perhaps you have depended to much on others to teach you, rather than reading it for youself. Don't take my word for it. If you think the answers are "yes", read for yourself and fing out which is correct. If we have been wrong on minor things such as this, is it possible that many of the things we teach come from the doctines of men and not of God? This not to cast doubt on the Word of God. This is to
point out that what we may have been teaching may actually
have its root in tradition, and not in God's Word. Do you desire to seek Truth, or will it shake your foundation to challenge what you always thought to be right? If you would
like to discuss further, you will not be trusting my opinion. I'll
point you to the Word. God bless.
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Did Noah take just two of each kind of animal on the ark? No, he took two of the unclean and seven of the clean.
Was Elijah taken up in a chariot of fire? No, he was separated from Elisha by a chariot of fire and taken up in a whirlwind.
Was Satan an angel before his fall?
My thought is "Yes" on this one. Specifically an archangel. That is still my thought. If you believe otherwise, I would like to read your explanation.
Were there three wisemen who came to the manger of Jesus?
It's possible. We don't know because the Bible doesn't say. Dr. J. Vernon McGee thinks it was more like 300.
Do angels sing?
That is debatable. Dr. David Jeremiah says "No" but I say "Yes". What do you say? |
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Thanks for your reply.
It was long after Jesus' birth that the wisemen arrive.
You are correct. We don't know how many there were, but they came to a house, and was referred to as a child. Also, Herod killed all those under the age of two, after diligently as to when He was born.
By tradition, I always believed Satan was previously an archangel. However, when I tried to find Scripture to back it up, it wasn't there. The closest you can come to it is where
it says that Satan transformed himself into an angel of light.
If he transformed himself, it means that was not his original state. He was a Cherub. That is not the same as an angel.
Read the description of an angel and a cherub, I believe you will agree. You can only make them equal by assumption that they both exist in Heaven.
As far as angels singing....I don't find it anywhere except the
gospel according to Hallmark and hymnody.
Thanks for replying. I have other things to discuss but time is limited. Agape', John |
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Some believe that it actually reads as four of the unclean
two of each of the unclean- two males and their females.
I believe Jeremiah is referring to all the saints singing. Lions,
lambs and snakes will be on the earth, will they sing, too. It is within the realm of possibility, but I doubt it. Do you have any other evidence that angels sing, other than possible inference.
In Revelation, I believe it was the Saints that had victory over the beast and is mark. They had reason to sing of which the angels had no experience.
Thanks for your reply. Agape', John |
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Jeremiah 51:48
heaven(s): shamayim. dual of an unused sing.
shameh:from an unused root mean. to be lofty
the sky as aloft: the dual perhaps alluding to the visible
arch in which the clouds move, as well as the higher ether
where the celestial bodies revolve.
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
It is an allegorical statement referring to the natural heavens,
not the Supernatural one, much like where it says in Isaiah 55, "the mountains and the hills shall brek forth into singing...and the trees of the field shall clap their hands. "
There is no serious consequence to believing angels sing, if you want to do so. However, we must guard against teaching the doctrines of men for the doctrines of God, lest
when men discover they aren't true, they cast doubt on the weightier matters.
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it says that Satan transformed himself into an angel of light.
If he transformed himself, it means that was not his original state.. I think the remarkable thing here is the transforming that makes him appear not as an ANGEL but as an angel OF LIGHT. He is an angel already but not of LIGHT. Those singing in heaven could be the redeemed that are already there--David Jeremiah doesn't believe angels sing, but I disagree--I believe they do. |
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A bit of trivia..... Although they were concidered wisemen, they were magicians..... Blessings
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I would believe angels sing, too, if I could read it in the Word of God. Human opinion may be fervent, but it doesn't stand very firm in search of truth. In fact, I always thought they did, until I tried to find evidence of it.
God bless. Agape', John |
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The wisemen were astrologers, magi, advisors to kings, king makers.
When a king died without an apparent heir, they would watch the stars in an attempt to choose a successor.
They knew the prophecy of Daniel and the time. So, when they
saw the star, they were impressed to fullfil their role to find this newborn king. They prepared gifts for a king and presented them to Jesus. |
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Job 38 1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? 3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. 4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Who are the morning stars if not angels? I believe angels sing but there is no salvation in it, so I won't demand anyone agree. |
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Job is written poetically.
The writer is personifying natural creation.
3556....kowkab...probably from the same root as 3522.(.In the sense of rolling) or 3554 (in the sense of blazing) a star (as round or shining.)
7442....ranan...to creak......to shout.....aloud for joy, cry out,to be joyful, shout out....sing....triumph..
If you follow a reverse logic, that he must be referring to angels
since stars don't sing, then, if you are consistant, it must follow that :
-he can't be talking about the sea because it didn't come from a womb in verse 8
-he can't be referring to real clouds, because they aren't
wrapped in swaddlings.in verse 9.
Or you could read it as it is written, with poetic beauty giving
life-like qualities to inanimate objects. (Stars do give off sound by the way just as seas "roar")
Good night. God bless.
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1.Did Noah take just two of each kind of animal on the ark? yes He took one male and one female. 2. Was Elijah taken up in a chariot of fire? No There were only two people who was taken up and they were the Prophet Jesus and the Prophet Muhammad (saw). 3. Was Satan an angel before his fall?
No Satan was not an angel at all. Satan was a jinn, that God created befor Adam and Eve. Michael was the arkangel. 4. Were there three wisemen who came to the manger of Jesus? Yes. There could not have been around 300 people that knew of the birth of Jesus, because Jesus was born in the days of King Harrod who wanted Jesus dead. 5. Do angels sing? yes. If the angel rafiel could laugh, then its possiable that they can also sing.
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