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| From: Rob and Jan (Original Message) | Sent: 2/19/2007 4:35 AM |
Hello, Have put this into English Family and now feel should have gone alphabetical under managers,forgive me if we have duplicated. I have hit a real"brick-wall"in my search for further information on my ancestors' William and Maria Bennett.I have them on the English 1841 Census but that is the sum total of it. William is listed as 35 and Maria 30,so,I expect they could be anything up to 4yrs over those ages.William is listed as a Police Officer living in Renwick or Benwick Row,Manchester(I'm not sure of the Row,could be some other variant,Beswick?). I checked 2 images of the Census Book,pages 7 and 8 and there are 2 other Policemen listed,William Baxindale and William Coadingly.Other occupations listed were the usual mixture you would expect in a very much working class area. An odd aspect is that a search of the IGI turned up the baptism records of 6 of the 7 children that I have listed,but records of Williams birth or of his marriage I couldn't find,so I don't have Maria's Maiden Name either. Their daughter Jane married Feargus Bronterre Foster on the 6/10/1860 in the St Jude's Parish Church,Manchester.William Bennett is listed as Father of the Bride,occupation Police Officer(of course it doesn't add any other detail and,I suppose,he could have been dead by then)witnesses were Lawrence and Margaret Foster,siblings of the groom. I have been in touch with the Manchester Police Museum and they confirm that the Manchester Police Force started in 1839 but that a search of cards from their records did not turn up any of the 3 Williams' I listed above.They speculate that there was a Parish of St Jude's in Ancoats which would have been near Deansgate,but there is no record of Renwick/Benwick/Beswick(or any other variant)Row.It seems that Policemen were given an allowence for living accommodation as there were no Police Quarters at the time. I have traced marriages for 3 of the children of William and Maria(as well as that of my ancestor Jane)but have found no trace of Elizabeth,Sara Ann or Mary Ann who appear to have disappeared along with their parents. Would really appreciate any assistance in solving this mystery. Bast wishes, Rob Kellett,Morrinsville,New Zealand |
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Rob you can find these on free Bmd |
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Hello Folks, Thanks for the replies,have had some attempts at tracing marriages with common names and got a bit discouraged.However will have another look and see if I can confirm if any are "mine" by trying to check out on later Census returns.Will let you know how it goes,Mike. The reply from the Manchester Police Museum suggested Renwick Place(I had contacted them suggesting it could have been Beswick Place,Jan,my wife,has a collection of Beswick animal figures so I could have been biased). Re my comments about whether William may have been dead in 1860(because the Marriage record doesn't give vital details)is a bit shaky now as we have just received an English marriage record of another of my wifes relatives where it clearly states that the Father is deceased in the Occupation/Profession area.Is this unusual? Best Wishes, Rob |
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Hi Rob I have searched Ancestry for the Bennetts after 1841 -- but in vain. Then it occurred to me that maybe someone died, and I found this death record in Salford, which is Manchester. Deaths Mar 1844 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bennett Maria Salford 20 650 This means the reference number is Volume 20 Page 650. Could this be Maria? Marian |
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Hi Mike and Marian, Thanks for the tips,have had a good look at Marriages but all ends up on a roundabout,going no-where.The Death registration sounds interesting as I don't think there were many Marias' about and it may be worth getting a Certificate on that. According to my records Maria(daughter)would have been born c1843,Maria senior would have been in her mid-30s.Have checked GRO Images and there is an entry on March 1843 record for a Maria Bennett,B.Manchester V20 Pg633.Have checked all 1843 quarters and 1st quarter 1844,no other Maria born Manchester(or Salford)so will have to spend up big and go for Birth Cert for Maria jnr and D.cert fo Maria Snr.Will let you know results.However,while this could solve 1 half of our William-Maria puzzle,William is still out in the unknown. Best Wishes, Rob |
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Hi Mike and Marian(again), Have applied for Death Cert.of Maria snr and for Birth Cert.of maria jnr.Hope this will resolve half the issue. Of the possible marriages suggested(and a lot of other possibles that I looked at)only one looks promising,that of Sept 1863 of Mary Ann Bennett to Robert Rennie.I have an IGI ref.for Mary Ann's Baptism giving 1828 as the year(1841 Census has 1831 and Census' with Mary (Ann)Rennie,1871/1881/1891 have b.1832/33).At the moment am not sending for marriage cert.as will not help find William Bennett that way.However,seems that Mary A.has a daughter,Mary Bennett,age 17 on the 1871 census,also has 3 younger children,Annie,Jane and Sarah(all names of my Mary Ann's sisters)all surname Rennie.I have found Death Reg.for Mary Ann Rennie in Salford,Dec.quarter 1892,aged about 61. The question,of course,is could this have been a Mary Ann Bennett(maiden name)or a Mary Ann(M.name unknown)who married a Bennett and made a 2nd match with Robert Rennie?Must say I feel this could be my relative but I have not been able to trace Mary jnr on 1861 Census,or her mother for that matter,although I have a Mary Bennett,age 29,b.Manchester,living in Hulme,Chorlton as a Lodger. Best Wishes, Rob and Jan |
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Hi Mike and Marian, Have now received the Death Cert.for Maria Bennett which confirms that she was the wife of Wlliam who is the informant on the Cert.He is listed as Turnkey at the New Bailey.Maria died of Ulcers on Hip and Dropsey. The Birth cert.of Maria(jnr)also confirms relationship to William and Maria and gives their address as Beswick's Row. That looks like part of the problem solved,however there is still the problem of William.Perhaps you can help me with some information here,I have found a death reg.in the same district and Quarter as that of Maria(Mch.1844)but the ref.is V20Pg627.Is this an earlier entry than that of Maria(V20Pg650)or could it be a page for special entries,ie Suicides?Obviously if it is earlier it can't be"my"William as he was informant on Maria's D.Cert. I am inclined to apply for Death Cert.if it could be William.Have looked through GRO Death Reg.pages up to 1848,no other Salford entry for a William Bennett up to then but at least 2 for Manchester in 1848 so have let that go for the moment until this issue of the 1844 Salford reg.is resolved. Look forward to your advice. Regards, Rob and Jan |
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Hi Rob So glad we were able to help you find what happened to Maria. I have just checked FreeBMD and found the following death records. I notice that you stopped checking at 1848, but you will see that there is another record in March 1850 in Salford which I have listed below. Dec 1838 BENNETT William Salford 20 * Dec 1842 BENNETT William Salford 20 585 Mar 1844 BENNETT William Salford 20 627 Mar 1850 BENNETT William Salford 20 665 It could of course be either of these last two, but from what you say it seems more likely to be the March 1850. Let us know how you get on. Marian |
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Hi Rob and Jan The only way you are going to be sure, of course, is by ordering one or both death certs. What I would suggest is to go with your gut feeling and get the one you feel is most likely to be the right one. All the best. Marian |
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Thanks Marian, I think the 1850 date makes more sense too.Will let you know the outcome either way. Best wishes, Rob |
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Hello, Have the death certs' for the 1844 and 1850 dates and neither are William the policeman,guess we will leave this one here and accept his eventual demise. Regards, Rob and Jan Kellett |
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hello, Just going through all the messages and came to your dilemma about William Bennet. Are there any records for the Bailey, after all if he was a prison officer/police man then perhaps he died at the prison so on record there? Was turnkey always a policeman or did this term cover such occupations as watchman or guard too. If it was a term used fo multiple occupations then perhaps a review of the name in census with location given as the nearest lock-up / goal might be an option Suzanne (Australia) |
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Hi Rob,If You Get this Message ok,I found Jane Bennett, She was Christened 8th Nov 1840 In Cathedral Manchester Parents William And Maria Bennett.It would be worth Checking Registrations for Manchester 1840.As her Birth Cert will have Parents full names Mike |
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Rob I have Checked it out for you |
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Hello Mike and All, Have now found that the 1851 Census returns for Salford and some other parts of Manchester were severely water damaged.Probably accounts for lack of success in searching for William Bennett,same situation also applies to my ancestors John and May Foster,also from Salford who are unlocatable in 1851(but do appear 1861 onwards). Regards, Rob and jan |
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