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Surname B : BOHLE,Bernard Fitzwilliam
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From: MSN Nicknameballards172  (Original Message)Sent: 7/5/2008 12:30 AM
Hi All,
         I am looking for any info re; Bernard Fitzwilliam BOHLE  b.7 Nov 1861 Regents Park, London . Parents listed as Henry BOHLE (occupation Gentleman) and Alice FLANAGAN.
I cannot find this family in any English census or a marriage for the parents. I cannot find how he arrived in Australia. I do know Bernard Fitzwilliam BOHLE married in Australia in 1882, ( he gave his occupation as railway sayer)  his wife died 1892,  he had a defacto relationship with 2 children , which he abandoned. He did two stints in the Boer War and I do not think he returned to Australia after discharge in 1902 in Johanessburg Sth Africa.
      Any info would be greatly appreciated..Sharon


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From: MSN NicknameablelizSent: 8/13/2008 11:43 AM
Sharon, Looks like baby Bernard was not listed & Henry was the male child
What happened to Henry M BOHLE?
Forget what I said on the ship as there is absolutely zilch
Only found that it was 840 tons and went from London to Sydney and arrived 18.8.1862
Usually I can find more but it probably sums up this whole family - difficult to find!
Liz

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From: MSN Nicknameballards172Sent: 8/13/2008 11:56 AM
Liz,
    Henry M Bohle was the male child listed, Bernard doesn't seem to be, but don't think a little baby needed a ticket? Sharon

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From: MSN NicknameablelizSent: 8/13/2008 12:29 PM
Sharon,  It seems like a little baby was just ignored or the transcribers couldn't read the record
These passenger lists are sometimes very difficult to read because of faded scrawled writing on the original ships manifect
The only think I can think of is if you can get a copy of the surgeons report of the voyage if it still exists and that may have further info on this family
State library, state archives & Mitchell library are 3 to check for surgeons reports as they are kept in different places but they have them listed on computer in the family history section of State library, macquarie st. sydney
I am sure it is them with also the Mary Flanagan listed which clinches it
Poor little Bernard - not listed on his arrival and disappeared from the face of the earth for his death!
Liz

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From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 8/13/2008 12:43 PM
Sharon This means those other Bohle family in Australia are also relatives of yours,Via Henry M Bohle.I KNOW you said there was no link to them in an earlier message.
Henry m Bohle must have been the Proper son of Alice then.
 
Mystery Deepens
 
Mike
 

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From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 8/13/2008 12:53 PM
Sharon i dont know what you think on this but my money is on Mary Flanagan Being the Mother of Bernard.Why else would he be named Bernard fitzwillam.
 
I think the Fitzwilliam would be his fathers name.
 
The clues lead to that
 
Mike

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From: MSN Nicknameballards172Sent: 8/13/2008 10:21 PM
Hi Mike,
           yes Mary Flanagan, could be his mother. What I did notice when I re read the will last nite was this. Alice BOHLE says "Igive my son Henry Mackinnon BOHLE, I give my daughter Elizabeth BOHLE, I give my sister Mary FLANAGAN, I give my adopted son Bernard FITZWILLIAM. Which brings me to the conclusion his birth name was FITZWILLIAM.Do you think there is any way I could see hospital birth records for the day he was born??Since it has been over a hundred years. Remember you said 18 Garby St, was a hospital??. I think this is my only chance. Otherwise this line comes to an end...Sharon..

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From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 8/13/2008 10:57 PM
What i will Do for you Sharon is , im going to Kew tomorrow.I will Find out for you.
If this is Possible.
I know you Can find Hospital records ,But not sure if you can find at Kew
 
Mike

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From: MSN Nicknameballards172Sent: 8/14/2008 5:10 AM
Thanks Mike,
                   I appreciate that. I am thinking I may recognize the mother of him if given a choice of names. And I am also thinking perhaps the family may stay as blood, if we are related in a round about way...Thanks Sharon 

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From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 8/14/2008 9:21 PM
Hi Sharon,I have some good news and some bad news
 
Will start with the bad news,THERE IS no adoption record found for Bernard Fitwilliam Bohle.The historian said records were not available for 1862.
 
But this is the good news
 
Henry Bohle Marriage To Alice Flannagan 30th Dec 1834 Agra Bengal He was aged 44
no age given for alice
REFN/39 F .117
British Library
Julia  Bohle Marriage 03 nov 1828
Meerut
spouse James Horan aged 22 she was 19
Father Henry Bohle
British Library
Ref n/1/21 f.205
Bengal
John Bohle Mckinnon
Birth 07 Mar 1837
Mussoorie
Parents John and Julia
Schoolmaster
Baptism 17th may 1838
Mussoorie
Bengal
 
British Library Ref n/1/150 f.71
 
Now Sharon you will need to work out who is who
This was found in the India Office History Search
 
Mike
 
 

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From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 8/14/2008 9:33 PM
you can find that info on this site
 
Mike
 

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From: MSN Nicknameballards172Sent: 8/14/2008 10:31 PM
Hi Mike,
            Ok that is a blow, never mind. I thought as much. I had found the India Office, it is brilliant isn't it, the info is quite detailed. I did contact them and they said the  LDS research branch could order me the microfiche for these, so I will arrange that.I did come to the conclusion Henry Bohle was married before Alice FLANAGAN, and Julia is the child of that relationship. I found a death for this first wife on that site, it was under BHOLE.Thanks I really appreciate what you have done for me. I will keep digging you never know when & where I will find some little tidbit, that may explain things..Cheers Sharon.

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 Message 65 of 68 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 8/14/2008 10:45 PM
your welcome sharon,SORRY I COULD not help find The adoption for you
 
Mike

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From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 8/26/2008 7:30 AM
Hi Sharon If you go to the Ryerson Index there are several Family Obits of Interest
 
Mike
 

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From: MSN Nicknameballards172Sent: 8/28/2008 9:00 AM
Thanks Mike,
                   I had seen these before, but I see there is a new one, so I have applied for it..Thankyou Sharon

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From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 8/28/2008 5:28 PM
Hi Sharon I wondered if you Had seen.Nice site
 
Mike

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