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From: MSN NicknameChloe-Cat  (Original Message)Sent: 4/4/2008 10:50 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameMiggy42</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 04/04/2008 05:33
My father's family came from Thurleigh, Bedfordshire, my direct line back being Francis COLGRAVE (sometimes spelt Colegrave) who was sent to Tasmania (Van Diemans Land) in 1831 for theft.  Francis married Isabella Watkins (also a convict) and they had a large family around the Evandale area of Tasmania. 
 
His brother, Samuel had also come to Australia as a convict, before him, however Samuel went to NSW.  He lived on a farm south of Yass, and never returned to England, even though he could have done at the end of his sentence.  He had a wife and two children back in Thurleigh.
 
Not a great lot is know about the COLGRAVE family in Thurleigh, and I would love to make contact with anyone who is able to assist me tracing my ancestors further back.
 
Thanks,
Min
miggy42




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 Message 2 of 9 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 4/4/2008 2:22 PM
Min This is also in First Families
 
First Family Member Details Surname:  COLGRAVE
Given Name(s):  Francis 
Occupation(s):  Farmer 
Birth Details
Birth Town:  Thurleigh
Birth County,
Region, Province:  Bedfordshire
Birth Country:  England
Birth Date:  1806 
Death Details
Death Town:  Evandale
Death State/Territory:  Tasmania
Death Country:  Australia
Death Date:  1890 
Immigration Details
Air/Port Landed:  Hobart
Ship/Plane:  Circassian
Year Arrived:  1833 
 Surname:  WATKINS(ON)
Given Name(s):  Isabella 
Occupation(s):  Farmer's wife 
Birth Details
Birth Town:  ?Hull
Birth County,
Region, Province:  ?East Yorkshire
Birth Country:  England

Death Details
Death Town:  Evandale
Death State/Territory:  Tasmania
Death Country:  Australia
Death Date:  1890 
Immigration Details
Air/Port Landed:  Hobart
Ship/Plane:  Garland Grove
Year Arrived:  1841 
 
Family Stories
Life in Australia:
Francis Colgrave was a convict, sentenced to 14 years for stealing. He was a single man when he arrived in VDL. In 1839 he was granted a T.o.L. He married Isabella Watkins (or Watkinson)in 1842. She was also a convict, who gave her native place as Hull, although to date no birth entry under either Watkins or Watkinson has been found. The Colgrave families spread over most of today's Tasmania are all connected.
Life Before Australia:
Francis Colgrave also had a brother, Samuel, who had been sent to NSW in 1831. The Colgrave family has been found back in Thurleigh for several generations.
Descendants

Children 
COLGRAVE, Francis  COLGRAVE, Henry  COLGRAVE, Isabella 
COLGRAVE, Joshua  COLGRAVE, Louisa  COLGRAVE, Robert 
COLGRAVE, Samuel  COLGRAVE, William 

NB: Superscript behind each descendant name represents the lineage
 
First Family Member Details Surname:  COLGRAVE
Given Name(s):  Francis 
Occupation(s):  convict, farmer 
Birth Details
Birth Town:  Thurleigh
Birth County,
Region, Province:  Bedfordshire
Birth Country:  England
Birth Date:  1806 
Death Details
Death Town:  Evandale
Death State/Territory:  Tasmania
Death Country:  Australia
Death Date:  1890 
Immigration Details
Air/Port Landed:  Hobart Town
Ship/Plane:  Circassian
Year Arrived:  1833 
 Surname:  WATKINS
Given Name(s):  Isabella 
Occupation(s):  cook, housemaid, convict 
Birth Details
Birth Town:  Hull
Birth Country:  England

Death Details
Death Town:  Evandale
Death State/Territory:  Tasmania
Death Country:  Australia
Death Date:  1890 
Immigration Details
Air/Port Landed:  Hobart Town
Ship/Plane:  Garland Grove
Year Arrived:  1841 
 
Descendants

Children 
COLGRAVE, Isabella 1  COLGRAVE, Francis 2  COLGRAVE, Samuel 3 
COLGRAVE, Henry 4  COLGRAVE, William 5  COLGRAVE, Robert 6 
COLGRAVE, Joshua 7  COLGRAVE, Louisa 8  COLGRAVE, Arthur 9 
 
Grandchildren
 
NO ISSUE ?, 1  COLGRAVE, Alfred Arthur (John) 2  COLGRAVE, Ernest Charles 2 
COLGRAVE, Ethel Mary Ann 2  COLGRAVE, Frances Isabella 2  COLGRAVE, Francis John 2 
COLGRAVE, Frederick George 2  COLGRAVE, Lillian Ada 2  COLGRAVE, Martha Jane 2 
COLGRAVE, Samuel 2  COLGRAVE, William 2  COLGRAVE, Albert Tasman 3 
COLGRAVE, Andrew (Daniel) 3  COLGRAVE, Clara Louisa 3  COLGRAVE, Isabella 3 
COLGRAVE, James 3  COLGRAVE, Mary Jane 3  COLGRAVE, Samuel Henry 3 
COLGRAVE, Jessie Leila 4  COLGRAVE, Robert Ronald 4  COLGRAVE, William Henry (Bob) 4 
COLGRAVE, Ada 5  COLGRAVE, Arthur Ernest 5  COLGRAVE, Charlotte May 5 
COLGRAVE, Coral Blanche Maud 5  COLGRAVE, Fanny 5  COLGRAVE, George 5 
COLGRAVE, Gordon Jack 5  COLGRAVE, Kate Amelia Maria 5  COLGRAVE, Robert 5 
COLGRAVE, Rosie 5  COLGRAVE, Ruby Jane 5  COLGRAVE, Walter 5 
COLGRAVE, William 5  NO ISSUE, 6  COLGRAVE, Daniel 7 
COLGRAVE, Edith Merle 7  COLGRAVE, Emily/Emma Jane 7  COLGRAVE, Ernest William 7 
COLGRAVE, Freda 7  COLGRAVE, Joshua 7  COLGRAVE, Joyce Alberta 7 
COLGRAVE, Len 7  COLGRAVE, Louisa May 7  COLGRAVE, Raymond Cyril 7 
LEWIS, Carl 8  LEWIS, James Frederick 8  LEWIS, Percy Edwin 8 

 

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 Message 3 of 9 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 4/4/2008 2:30 PM
Francis Colgrave Born 1806  Thurleigh Bedfordshire Parents were Francis Colgrove and Ann
There were 3 Children Born To francis and Ann
 
1. FRANCIS COLGROVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 06 APR 1806 Thurleigh, Bedford, England
 
 2. BENJAMIN COLDGROVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 14 APR 1816 Goldington, Bedford, England
 
 3. CHARLES COLDGROVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 14 APR 1816 Goldington, Bedford, England

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 Message 4 of 9 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 4/5/2008 10:15 AM
Hi Min i have checked back a bit further using the IGI indexes.Frances COLEGROVE, Birth:  31 AUG 1770 Christened 01 JUL 1771   Thurleigh, Bedford, England  Father:  SAMUEL COLEGROVE  
  Mother:  SARAH  It says wife was Frances Bourne marriage:  19 AUG 1798   Thurleigh, Bedford, England I think if You Check her Name Will Either Be Francis Ann or Ann Francis,This would be why son Named Frances After His father And Mother
 
Mike

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 Message 5 of 9 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 4/5/2008 10:22 AM
These are the listed Children of Samuel Colegrove And Sarah Its a long List Last one being Born 1830.You can Find these Plus more in the Igi Indexes
 
Hope this helps take them Further for you
 
Mike
 
 
 FRANCIS COLEGROVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 01 JUL 1771 Thurleigh, Bedford, England
 
 2. FRANCIS COLEGROVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 31 AUG 1770
 
 3. SARAH COLEGROVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 1779
 
 4. SARAH COLEGROVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 AUG 1783 Thurleigh, Bedford, England
 
 5. MARY COLEGROVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 30 JUN 1776 Thurleigh, Bedford, England
 
 6. ANN COLEGROVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 1781
 
 7. ANN COLEGROVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 AUG 1783 Thurleigh, Bedford, England
 
 8. HARRIOTT OR HARRY COLEGROVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 28 JUN 1772 Thurleigh, Bedford, England
 
 9. HENRY COLDGRAVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 16 AUG 1827
 
 10. HENRY COLDGRAVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 23 JUN 1829 Harpur Street-Wesleyan Methodist, Bedford, Bedford, England
 
 11. SUSAN COLEGRAVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 21 APR 1825
 
 12. SUSAN COLEGRAVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 24 OCT 1828 Old Meeting House Mill Lane-Independent, Bedford, Bedford, England
 
 13. SAMUEL COLGRAVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 10 OCT 1829
 
 14. SAMUEL COLGRAVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 11 JUN 1830 Harpur Street-Wesleyan Methodist, Bedford, Bedford, England
 
 15. Susanna <Colgrove> - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 09 MAY 1825 Thurleigh, Bedford, England
 

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 Message 6 of 9 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameMiggy42Sent: 4/6/2008 4:33 AM
Many thanks for your quick response to my entry for Colgrave.
 
I do have the information  from the First Families Site as I think this was my own entry you sent, but thanks anyway.  It's great to know that this site is still helpful even though new information is unable to be added. 
 
As mentioned it was more the family back in Thurleigh, and elsewhere in Bedfordshire that I was trying to find out about and the details you sent do help.  There seems to be a bit of a gap between these births and of course they are in different parishes.  This could mean that they moved around a bit and there are possibly others between, born in other places.  ???
 
I had that Francis' parents were Francis and Frances (possibly known as Ann/e) nee Bourne so could there be other children born to Francis and Frances?  Is it common that a lady with the name Frances would be known as Ann/e?  Or could it just be that it was so done to distinguish between the male and female Frances?  Am interested in what others might think of this?
 
Thanks so much for your help,
 
Regards,
Min
miggy42

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 Message 7 of 9 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 4/6/2008 6:52 AM
Hi Min i Think your Correct ,They used the two names as im sure by now you will have guessed they probably were unsure of her name
 
Mike

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 Message 8 of 9 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameMiggy42Sent: 4/8/2008 3:47 AM
Dear Mike,
 
I do appreciate your help, especially as you haven't been well.
 
Will go through all you've sent when I get off line.
 
Sincerely,
Min
miggy42

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 Message 9 of 9 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamemickym1951Sent: 4/8/2008 4:34 PM
Hi Min i Think i May have found Correct Family Line In Thurleigh.These I am Certain Are the Family
 
Mike
 
Parents:
  Father:  FRANCIS COLGRAVE  Family
  Mother:  FRANCES 
 
 
 
1. SUSAN PAYNE COLEGRAVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 20 JAN 1799 Thurleigh, Bedford, England
 
 2. FRANCES COLEGROVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 SEP 1809 Thurleigh, Bedford, England
 
 3. HARRIET COLGRAVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 MAY 1801 Thurleigh, Bedford, England
 
 4. SAMUEL COLGRAVE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 01 JUL 1804 Thurleigh, Bedford, England
 

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