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From: Alison (Original Message)

Sent: 2007/04/02 08:31 PM

I have traced my Kane family tree back to Patrick Kane married to Sahra Conroy born c1870 Ireland. I found their names on their son Martin Kane's death certificate. I have some Scotish census records stating that Martin and his wife Hannah or Honor Price(Pryce or Bryce) were born in Ireland but have no information on what county. In the records I have Martins dob ranges from 1801-1811 and Hannah's 1808-1837. Martin's death record also states that his first wife was Bridget McDonnel I can't find a marriage for them in Scotland so assume they were married in Ireland or have another name spelling I've not tried. I have search numerous websites trying to trace where in Ireland they came from but found nothing.

Thanks

Alison

Oh well that is interesting Alison. I'll take a look at that myself and see if anything is obvious on that one.

Hope you can read those records better than me, thats the first census record I've seen that doesn't just say Ireland, I think that this maybe Martins mother and sister and if you can make out the county would you please check for any of my names there, marriage or births.

Thanks for your e-mails Alison. I've printed off the images you sent me and will have a good look. Of course, I will check for you the births/marriages, etc - no problem.

Check back to see if I've found anything for you.

Well the spelling of the place in Ireland you're wondering about looks like BALLANAH - but this place appears to be in Syria!!!!!! Having looked further at place names in Ireland I've found BALLINAGH, a village in County Cavan. Here is a picture that I found:

I will dig further to see if anything clearer becomes apparent.

I've found a possible for John Kane. Doesn't show anything about parents but there is a spouse, if that's any good. Of course, we can't be 100% certain we have the right John Kane but the fact he's from Scotland is an indicator. See what you think:

John Cain			Pedigree
	Male		Family

Event(s):

Birth:

About 1835

Croy, , Dunbarton, Scotland

Christening:

Death:

Before 1910

Burial:

Marriages:

Spouse:

Agnes Sherkie

Family

Marriage:

About 1860

Croy, , Dunbarton, Scotland

On the basis of the above record I've found this entry in the 1861 census which shows John as being born in Paisley, Renfrewshire. On the 1851 it was recorded as Pauliey - the script was dreadful and I feel it was mistranscribed.

about John Kane

Name:

Age:

Estimated birth year:

abt 1841

Relationship:

Head

Spouse's name :

Agnes

Gender:

Male

Where born:

Paisley, Renfrew

Registration Number:

644/5

Registration district:

Clyde

Civil parish:

Glasgow St James

County:

Lanarkshire

Address:

Laws Back Land

Occupation:

Caulker

ED:

32A

Page:

3 (click to see others on page)

Household schedule number:

101

Line:

Roll:

CSSCT1861_104

Household Members:

Name	Age
Antony Connor	21
Agnes Kane	18
John Kane	20

Now Alison, in the 1861 census Agnes is recorded as being born in Ireland but I've checked to see if there were any births of Agnes Sherkie - but nothing.

However, I found the following which I think is the correct one. What's your opinion?

Agnes Sherkie			Pedigree
	Female		Family

Event(s):

Birth:

About 1840

Croy, , Dunbarton, Scotland

Christening:

Death:

Before 1920

Burial:

Marriages:

Spouse:

John Cain

Family

Marriage:

About 1860

Croy, , Dunbarton, Scotland

John seems to have disappeared from the census images (possibly mistranscribed somewhere) until .... 1901 - see the following:

about John Kane

Name:

Age:

Estimated birth year:

abt 1841

Relationship:

Head

Spouse's name :

<HLT>Agnes</HLT>

Gender:

Male

Where born:

Paisley, Renfrewsh

Registration Number:

644/7

Registration district:

Blythswood

Civil parish:

Glasgow Bridgegate

County:

Lanarkshire

Address:

7 Park Place

Occupation:

Boilmaker

ED:

Page:

18 (click to see others on page)

Household schedule number:

Line:

Roll:

CSSCT1901_291

Household Members:

Name	Age
Agnes Kane	58
Bridget Kane	26
John Kane	60
John Kane	20
Kate Kane	17
Susan Kane	22

Marian has had a look on Griffiths for you and found the following, which you may be interested in:

Surname	First Name	Townland	Parish	County
Following are the exact matches:
Kane	Denis	Ballinacrow Upper	Rathbran	Wicklow
Kane	Eleanor	Ballinacurra Bowman	Limerick St. Michaels	Limerick
Kane	Michael	Ballinab	Mothel	Waterford
Kane	Patrick	Ballinab	Mothel	Waterford
Kane	Patrick	Ballinacorbeg	Derrylossary	Wicklow
Kane	John	Ashtown or Ballinafunshoge	Derrylossary	Wicklow
Kane	Robert	Ballina	Kilmoremoy	Mayo
Kane	Patrick	Ballinaboy	Roscommon	Roscommon
Kane	Jane	Ballinakill (Graveyard St)	Dysartgallen	Laois
Kane	Martin	Ballinakill (Brewery Lane)	Dysartgallen	Laois
Kane	James	Ballina	Kilmoremoy	Mayo

Can find no mention of Sarah Kane on any census after the 1851 where she is listed with son John. However, she must be around somewhere, again possibly mis-transcribed but I did find the following death record which would indicate she was married to another John Kane. I'm putting a question mark on this though as Martin would have been her first son (we think) and back then as we all know, the eldest son often was named after the father. However, I thought it worth a mention:

Mrs Sarah Kane			Pedigree
	Female		Family

Event(s):

Birth:

1813	Island Magee, Antrim, Ireland

Christening:

Death:

29 NOV 1881

Burial:

Marriages:

Spouse:

John Kane

Family

Marriage:

About 1834

Island Magee, Antrim, Ireland

Kay

Manager

Well I'm going backwards here - in years I mean Alison!!

Look what I found on the 1841 census - I think it fits - what about you?

about Sarah Kane

Name:

<HLT>Sarah</HLT> <HLT>Kane</HLT>

Age:

Estimated birth year:

abt 1801

Gender:

Female

Where born:

Ireland

Civil parish:

Renfrew

County:

Renfrewshire

Address:

High Street

Parish Number:

575

Neighbors:

View others on page

Household Members:

Name	Age
Bettsy Grainer	20
Charles Kane	40
Hanna Kane	15
Helen Kane	11
John Kane	3
Mary Kane	13
Michel Kane	8
Sarah Kane	40
Margaret Vessy	20

I think we may have found Martin's parents here Alison -

CHARLES CAIN			Pedigree
	Male		Family


Event(s):
	Birth:
	Christening:
	Death:
	Burial:

Marriages:

Spouse:

SARAH MCGLAGHLAIN

Family

Marriage:

21 MAR 1812

Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland

Thank you for all you hard work, The picture is great, all the names are good as they do tend to choose the same name generation after generation exept for susan, charles and Helen and that sujests that they are all related. Was wondering if the name Conner could be varient of Conroy. I will see what else I can get on these names on scotlands people and try and fit them in with tree.

Pleased if any of the above has helped Alison. I will hold fire for now as you've plenty to wade through here. However, please let me know further as and when you'd like more help.

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