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From: MSN Nicknamefockinell  (Original Message)Sent: 9/30/2008 3:12 PM
Hi, I have just joined MSN and have been trying off and on over the past five years to trace my husband's ancestry.  We were told the story of the Reverend Sparrow who lived and owned land in Ireland in the late 1700's or early 1800's.  He married a woman with the surname Doolan.  He was shamed in his hometown through horse theft and was deported to Australia where we think he died.  His wife (Mrs. Sparrow) then fled to England and assumed her maiden name "Doolan".  We have traced that side of the family to Norfolk, but cant seem to find any trace of the Reverend Sparrow or what happened to him. 


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 Message 12 of 26 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameChloe-CatSent: 10/10/2008 9:24 PM
Just one thing I will mention - we can't pin too many hopes on finding Ms Doolan on the Norfolk censuses because if she was married in the late 1700's and let's guess she was around 20 years of age, she would be a rather old lady in the 1841 and 1851 censuses - if we are lucky!  Still, worth me checking out.
 
Kay
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 Message 13 of 26 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknamefockinellSent: 10/14/2008 12:33 PM
I've just re-read all your messages and the one from Liz above says that no convicts went to Australia after 1868. It is just a thought, but perhaps I have tried to go back too far.  The letter I have from Norton Peskett Solicitors in Suffolk is dated 1st June 1989, only 120 years later. The letter was sent to Roy Eric Doolan (now deceased) re Wilfred G Doolan, late of 41 Station Road Beccles.  He died intestate and his estate was divisible between his brothers and sister who are listed as follows: Mrs Kathleen Colby (sister of deceased who survived him but has since died), Thomas Doolan (brother of deceased who predeceased him), Frederick Doolan (brother of deceased who predeceased him), William Doolan (brother of deceased who predeceased him), Emily Oulds (sister of deceased who predeceased him), Ernest Doolan (brother of deceased who predeceased him), Bertha Gilbert (sister of deceased who predeceased him), Christopher Doolan (brother of deceased who predeceased him) Theresa Marsh (sister of deceased who predeceased him), Phyllis Youngs (sister of deceased who predeceased him) and Victor Doolan (brother of deceased who predeceased him). Perhaps something can be traced back from these names? Thanks for all your help.  I am well impressed!!

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 Message 14 of 26 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameConnemaraKateSent: 10/16/2008 11:27 AM
Hello
 
Kay's computer is out of action at present, but she will get back to you just as soon as she is up and running again.
 
Marian
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 Message 15 of 26 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameChloe-CatSent: 10/20/2008 11:55 AM
Hello again
 
My apologies for not responding sooner but as Marian says, my computer has been out of action for the last week now!
 
I will have a look at the names you've given me and see if I can indeed trace anything back from there.  Possibly it may throw some light on things - we will see.  Do check back regularly to see if I've had any luck for you.
 
Kay
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 Message 16 of 26 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameChloe-CatSent: 10/20/2008 12:23 PM
Well I'm looking at the various names you've given us to see if I can match any marriages of Doolan with the surnames of spouses, as far as the female ancestors are concerned.  Initially I have found the marriage of Bertha E Doolan in the December quarter of 1919 in Islington to John R Gilbert.
 
From there I found Bertha on the 1901 census with her family as follows:
 
Father:  William Ernest Doolan b: 1871c Wymondham, Norfolk
Mother:  Bertha Ann Doolan b: 1872 Old Buckenham, Norfolk
Sister:  Emile Doolan b: 1892c Old Buckenham, Norfolk
Brothers: Ernest Doolan b: 1894c Attleborough, Norfolk
               Jack Doolan b: 1899 Old Buckenham, Norfolk
              Christopher Doolan b; 1900 Burgh St Peter, Norfolk
 
The family were residing in Burgh St Peter and William's occupation was a GER Signalman.
 
Now, from there I checked other records and came up with a few birth records which I feel do fit:
 
Ernest Arthur Doolan b: December quarter of 1893 Wayland, Norfolk
Bertha Ellen Doolan b: 9.10.1895 / christened: 23.8.1896 Old Buckenham
Emily Almira Doolan b: 25.10.1891 / christened: 3.6.1895 Old Buckenham.
 
Then I managed to find a birth recor for Victor Arthur Doolan in the March quarter of 1910 in Loddon, Nofolk - he should naturally show on the 1911 census.
 
 

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 Message 17 of 26 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameChloe-CatSent: 10/20/2008 12:24 PM
Having looked for other Doolan births in Norfolk I've found what I believe to be those of Frederick and Thomas -
 
Surname  First name(s)  Mother  District  Vol  Page 

Births Mar 1912   (>99%)
Doolan  Frederick K  Bowen  Loddon  4b 357   Scan available - click to view

Births Dec 1913   (>99%)
Doolan  Thomas J  Bowen  Loddon  4b 375   Scan available - click to view
 
 
... and this shows us their mother's maiden name was Bowen.  I'm going to see if I can find any evidence of Bertha Bowen that would fit with the above.
 
Kay
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 Message 18 of 26 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameChloe-CatSent: 10/20/2008 12:30 PM
In the 1891 census William & Bertha are residing at:  Leys Lane, Attleborough and William's Occupation is an agricultural labourer.  At this time their son, William has also been born and here is his birth record:
 
Births Jun 1890   (>99%)
Doolan  William Thomas    Guiltcross  4b 246   Scan available - click to view

 

So we have some of the children, but not all!  I will see if I can find the others, though I suspect these were born after the 1901 census making things a little more tricky.

What do you think anyway, am I on the right track do you feel?

 

Kay

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 Message 19 of 26 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameChloe-CatSent: 10/20/2008 12:35 PM
Here's what I found:
 
Births Mar 1903   (>99%)
Doolan  Kathleen Caroline M    Loddon  4b 211   Scan available - click to view

 

 

Births Jun 1904   (>99%)
Doolan  Caroline Teresa    Loddon  4b 203   Scan available - click to view

(I believe this would be Theresa Marsh - Caroline probably married a Marsh, giving her married surname).

 

 

Births Mar 1908   (>99%)
Doolan  Phyllis Maud    Loddon  4b 212   Scan available - click to view

 

So that looks like the complete set of children.

I'll see if I can find any records for marriages now.

Kay

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 Message 20 of 26 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameChloe-CatSent: 10/20/2008 12:39 PM
Incidentally this is the birth record for their mother, Bertha A (I think Bowen) Doolan - note the spelling is either incorrect or has been mis-transcribed:
 
Births Jun 1871   (>99%)
Bowen  Bartha Ann    Guiltcross  4b 239   Scan available - click to view

 

Perhaps best to keep an open mind as to which is correct - Bertha or Bartha!


Kay

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 Message 21 of 26 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameChloe-CatSent: 10/20/2008 12:47 PM
Another trancription gaff - look at the spelling of Wilfred's name!  Here is his birth and death records:
 
Births Dec 1906   (>99%)
Doolan  Winifred George    Loddon  4b 205   Scan available - click to view

 

 

 

Name: Wilfred George Doolan
Birth Date: 9 Oct 1906
Death Registration Month/Year: Mar 1987
Age at death (estimated): 80
Registration district: Waveney
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 10
Page: 3231

 

That completes the set I think!

 

Kay

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 Message 22 of 26 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknamefockinellSent: 10/29/2008 3:33 PM
Hi, just got back from London visiting existing family connections.  Been talking to one of the Doolan decendents (Patrick Doolan) his dad was Victor Doolan and his mum was Winifred, to see if he knew any other information.  All he could tell me was Reverend Sparrow was not hung in Ireland for his crimes because it would have brought shame to the church, that was why he was deported to Australia. He said that his wife fled to Suffok with their son and reverted to her maiden name of Doolan but he did not know any first names either.  He did say that he thought that Reverend Sparrow survived the journey to Australia and in fact served his sentence there, so perhaps there would be some record of that.  Thanks for all your help so far - I really appreciate it.

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From: MSN NicknameChloe-CatSent: 10/30/2008 9:17 PM
Hmm, the snag with Ms Doolan fleeing to Suffolk with her son is that unless we have any clues as to his Christian name I'm really not certain how we might be able to find them.  This is a tricky one.
 
It's possible there are records of the sentences served in Australia - I will see if I can ascertain something which may help point you in the right direction.
 
Kay
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From: MSN NicknameChloe-CatSent: 11/14/2008 7:18 PM
It's been rather disappointing that I can't find any firm information as to any sentences served in Australia during the 1800's but just as a matter of interest I'm posting a link below which you may like to look at - as I say, just for interest on sentences served in Australia for crimes committed:
 
 
Kay
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 Message 25 of 26 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknamefockinellSent: 11/29/2008 7:50 AM
Hi Kay, thanks for all your help.  I will look at the link for Australia sentences you sent me.  I dont know how to find out the Christian names.  That was always the main snag whenever I have looked into it before.  I wish I could come up with some more information but really I dont know how.  I appreciate all your help.  Thanks.

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 Message 26 of 26 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameChloe-CatSent: 11/29/2008 8:15 AM
Well yes it's worth checking out that website but as you say, not knowing the Christian name is the biggest hitch.  Unfortunately (and I've experienced this myself with my own family history) it is rather a brickwall you come up against when Christian names remain unknown - obviously you can't search for something you have no knowledge of! 
 
However, if anything comes to light that you'd like me to follow up for you, do feel free to come back to us.
 
Kay
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