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| | From: stevenhamb (Original Message) | Sent: 12/7/2007 11:37 PM |
I am trying to find out where in Ireland my ancestors came from. William West was born in Ireland in 1810. He married Mary about 1834 in Ireland. She was born in 1816. They and their five children came to America in 1846 on the ship Empire from Liverpool, arriving in New York on June 17, 1846. William and Mary's occupation was listed as "weavers" on the ship manifest. They resided in Enfield, Hartford, Connecticut in 1850. Their children and birth dates were; Robert W West bn 1837 Margaret West bn 1835 Hannah West bn 1839 John West bn 1842 Isabelle West bn 1844 They had two more children, Andrew and Mercy, born in Connecticut. Since they were weavers and probably Protestant, I guess that they may have come from what is now Northern Ireland, but I don't know enough to research further. I would greatly appreciate any assistance provided. Thanks, Steve Hamblin |
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Hi Steve and Welcome,A manager will contact you shortly Mike |
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Hi Steve i have found a Possible Marriage,But need to Check Further There is One child Living with this Couple,But not One on your Family List.the Wifes name is not listed.Will need to Chek other Sources Mike Husband William West Pedigree Birth: About 1810 Of, , Dublin, Ireland Christening: Marriage: About 1833 Of, , Dublin, Ireland Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wife Mrs William West Pedigree Birth: About 1813 Of, , Dublin, Ireland Christening: Marriage: About 1833 Of, , Dublin, Ireland Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Children -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Emily Margaret West Pedigree Female Birth: About 1834 Of, , Dublin, Ireland Christening:
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Steve These are West family in Griffiths,Please note Two are same.So Owned Two areas of Land.Im not sure if Linked 33)19 West George Leitrim Mohill Cloone Cloone - Guy Lloyd Ld 10 0 15 7 15 0 0 7 15 (29)1.a West George W. Roscommon Roscommon Kilbride Cloonconny Henry S.P. Mahon Herds ho off ld 74 0 3 42 10 0 10 43 0 (33)20 West George Leitrim Mohill Cloone Cloone - Guy Lloyd Ld 122 2 10 50 0 0 0 50 0 I found one other William West.The Record can be Obtained.From Wexford Heritage.But birth 1812 Surname Firstname Source Year Source* Centre WEST WILLIAM 1812 B Co. Wexford Heritage & Genealogy Society Do Your Family Have any Areas Specific To Northern eire Will Check Children for any links Mke |
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Hi Steve,I found Mary West in 1881 Census She was a widow aged 66,Living with Hannah West.So William had Died sometime Previous to 1881.I need to search For Obits.As it may Give us a Clue as to Where from.Do you Have there Naturalization Papers.Or any Death Certs Thanks Mike Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Mary WEST Self W Female W 66 IRE Keeping House IRE IRE Hannah WEST Dau S Female W 36 CT Works In Carpet Factory IRE IRE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Enfield, Hartford, Connecticut Family History Library Film 1254099
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Wow, That may be them. The child, Emily Margaret West may be the Margaret West shown on the ship registry. She was the first born of their children. |
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Mike, That is a possibility although Hannah's age doesn't match the ship records ( I guess she could have lied about her age) and the census says born in Connecticut while my Hannah was born in Ireland and came over in 1846. I don't have any other records of that generation. But Robert, one of my ancestors, migrated to Illinois and eventually Kansas. I believe he died around Meridian, KS around 1900. Also, I have Robert's wife's name as Margaret Elizabeth. Thanks, Steve |
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Hi steve our Manager carol found them in the 1860 Census as follows.You will find a few more names there also.You will se Difference in Birth year Mike 1860 United States Federal Census 1860 United States Federal Census Name:Wm West Age in 1860:55 Birth Year:abt 1805 Birthplace:Ireland Home in 1860:Enfield, Hartford, Connecticut Gender:Male Post Office:Thompsonville Household Members:NameAge Wm West 55_Ireland___dyer Mary West 47_" Robt West 24_ " ___Joiner Jack West 22_ "' ___Gunsmith Margaret West 26_ Ireland_ Operative Hannah West 19_Ireland_ Operative Isabella West 16_Ireland_ Operative Anorah West 13( female) _Conn_ School Joseph West 8 - Conn_ School Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Enfield, Hartford, Connecticut; Roll: M653_79; Page: 806; Image: 417. |
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Hi Steve,Just an Update.In 1900 Usa Census I have Found Hannah Living with Margaret West She Was Single,Birth date Nov 1842 Connecticut.Relationship Sister Head of Family In 1880 Margaret west Female Aged 43 Birth date 1837 Birth Place Conn Assists in Keeping House CT Census Suffield Hartford 1889 CENSUS Isabelle west Hartford Connecticut Female Aged 31 Birthdate 1849 Birthplace CONN WIFE Occupation Keeping House Fathers Birthplace Conn Mothers Birthplace Conn Marital Status Married Race or Color w Census city Bristol Census County Hartford Census state ct Nara film Num T9-0098 PAGE 615 FILM NUMBER 1254098 |
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Steve My Appologies When i was typing it out I PUT 1889 it should have been 1880 Very Sorry Mike |
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| | From: jelora | Sent: 12/11/2007 2:16 AM |
Steve, 1870 Census Town of Enfield, County of Hartford, Connecticut_P.O. Tompsonville pg.62 line 3_Dwelling 313 Smith Henry (Initial hard to read) 33_ stone mason_ bn Mass_ notation in wrong column(19). denied the right to vote because of crime committed_ THIEF (correct column20) _______Bedelius_28_Ireland_ father and mother of foreign birth _______Elizabeth_ 8_Conn_ mother of foreign birth _______William H_6_Conn_mother of foreign birth ______ Mary C _2_Conn_ mother of foreign birth Conroy Bridget _60_ Ireland_ works in carpet mill Mc Core(?) Kate_24_Ireland_ same as above Galvin Honora _50_ Ireland _ same as above This information conflicts with the date of marriage found in the LDS.If this is the correct couple they were married about 1861-62 1880 Census. Mike and I both found Margaret West living with the Smith Family in the 1880 census but I never looked at the original census image, just the index on-line. This is a very poor quality image; Suffield ,Hartford County, Connecticut _25 June 1880 Now there is a Henry D. Smith but age is about 10 years off from the prior census 1870 Henry D. Smith _ 56_blacksmith_ Mass_ Mass_Mass | | Belle Smith _35_wife_keeping house_ Conn_ Conn_Conn | | Harry O. Smith_6_ son _ _Mass_ Mass_ Mass | | Mildred Ida Smith_2_ dau_ Mass_Mass_Mass | | Margaret West_ 43_ keeping house _Conn_Conn_Conn Did Henry and Belle move to Mass sometime after the 1870 census? The Mass border isn't very far from the County of Hartford. Why would Belle and Margaret have given Connecticut as the place of birth for themselves and their parents? Did someone else give the information to the Census taker? We'll never know,but this is why your family often seems to have fallen off the face of the earth because of distorted information. Will try to follow this family forward. jelora | | |
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| | From: jelora | Sent: 12/11/2007 6:20 AM |
Hi Steve, Henry L. Smith Family found in the 1870 census with wife Bridget as named in 1880 is not Isabelle West Smith. I have not found the Henry D. Smith Family as yet in the 1870 Census. 1900 Census: Hartford County Enfield Township, Connecticut_ 8th and 9th of June 1900 Smith Isabella _head _May 1845_ 55_wd_ 2 children _2 children living _ Conn._ Ireland_ Ireland ____ Henry _son__ Aug 1878_ 21_S________________________Connecticut_ Connecticut_ Connecticut_ Sales man ____Ida _ dau _June 1879_ 20_S________________________ same as above _ Sales woman This information isn't correct on the children compared to the 1880 Census Isabelle still claims she was born in Connecticut 1910 Census Name:Harry O Smith_______________ same info as 1880 Census Age in 1910:36 Estimated birth year:abt 1874 Birthplace:Massachusetts Relation to Head of House:Head Father's Birth Place:Massachusetts Mother's Birth Place:Connecticut Spouse's name:Charlotte W Home in 1910:Enfield, Hartford, Connecticut Marital Status:Married Race:White Gender:Male Neighbors:View others on page Household Members:NameAge Harry O Smith36 Charlotte W Smith40 1910 Census Massachusetts_ Hampton county_ Springfield City _ 9 May 1910 Address 63 McKnight St. Smith Isabelle W _head_ 64_ wd 2ch_2Living _ Connecticut_ Ire irish_ Ire irish _____Mildred I _ dau _ 32_ S----------------------_ Massachusetts_ Massachusetts_ Connecticut_ Bookkeeper Note : Now both Harry and his sister Mildred Ida give the same information on birth years and place of birth. Isabelle must have died in Massachusetts. I have copies of the census images if you aren't able to find them, I will forward to your address. jelora |
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Thanks Jelora, I'll try to check with the local LDS office...Steve |
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| | From: jelora | Sent: 12/12/2007 3:24 AM |
Hi Steve, After reviewing the information about the ROBERT WEST Family that you have on your web page: I've determined that the family of William and Mary WEST found in the census 1850 ,Enfield, Hartford County, Connecticut are not the parents of your ancestor Robert West. In your Notes you have Robert W West born 1837 Ireland married Margaret Elizabeth b. Ireland. She died 1860 Kentucky. If this were the same Robert ..son of William and Mary... he would have only be 13 yrs of age in 1850. The first child born to Robert and Margaret Elizabeth was: Mary West daughter of Your Robert and mother Margaret Elizabeth was born in 1847... Tenn. I have saved a copy of the following Census Image. I also have copies of the 1885 Kansas State census that shows Benjamin F West and his brother M .West living in Shawnee_Soldier_ Kansas. I haven't looked for Robert West only in the 1870 census. I'll forward the census to your e-mail. It appears that your West Family was in America before the arrival of the William West family of Connecticut. Now, we can take another approach to the families research. jelora 1870 Census, Rochester, Sangamon, Illinois Benjamin WestRochester, Sangamon, ILabt 1851 Illinois White Male Edward WestRochester, Sangamon, ILabt 1857 Illinois White Male Henry WestRochester, Sangamon, ILabt 1857 Illinois White Male Lizzie WestRochester, Sangamon, ILabt 1860 Illinois White Female Mary WestRochester, Sangamon, ILabt 1847 Tennessee White Female Mitchell WestRochester, Sangamon, ILabt 1849 Tennessee White Male Robt N WestRochester, Sangamon, ILabt 1820 Tennessee White Male Ruth WestRochester, Sangamon, ILabt 1835 Illinois White Female Samuel WestRochester, Sangamon, ILabt 1854 Illinois White Male Sarah WestRochester, Sangamon, ILabt 1855 Illinois White Female |
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