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| | From:  ßratz (Original Message) | Sent: 4/2/2004 5:25 PM |
ok, last week with all the shit that was going on, I forgot But now I would like your opinion. What do you think of the way schools deal with Difficult to control children? what about children with learning disabilities? Are we expecting too much of teachers? How do you treat everyone fairly, while still allowing that not all children have the same needs? |
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| | | From: ghaens | Sent: 4/4/2004 5:44 PM |
Teachers assistants should be more freely availabe for schools. Particularly for difficult to handle children. I think it is unfair for one child to hold back the progress of the rest of the class because of his / her behaviour. We regard to children with special needs, my nephew being one of them, they should also be allowed into mainstream school with their peers. They should have extra tuition on a one to one basis whilst still being allowed to mix with children of their own age. In my nephew's case, being dyslexic... why is that word so bloody hard to spell...  he is not bad enough to warrant special attention according to the head of the school...  but luckily my sister can afford to bring him to a private teacher who specialises in children like him. |
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as a mum of a special needs child who was in mainstream secondary school he was one of those ones that played up because he was frustrated that he could not do the work so instead of feeling sstupid all the time he just didnt do it and played up as a result he was included where he was in a room on his own with work set for him but this made him more frustrated as he couldnt do the work to cut a long story short he is now in a special needs school as is doing well i think that some schools do not do enough to get to the bottom of why some children play up there are some children who are just plain nauhgty but some children who play up have underlying problems that had not been recognised so they just traet them as if they are naughty also by including them they are just isolating them which is not always a good idea i think they should have more classroom assisstants and smaller classess |
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childern with learning disabilities should be in main stream school but there should be more help even to the teacher, Maybe take the child out a couple of hour a day to help the teacher to work with the other childern and then the child it self can have one to one with a special teacher.I think the teacher need more help in class ,some kids can be very difficult to handle, i also think there should be more counsellors for the school to help the difficult childern, i know sometime school have to wait for months to get a counsellor. Maureen |
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| | | From: ßratz | Sent: 4/5/2004 1:28 PM |
Personally, UI agree with what everyone has said. However, I know at least here, often allowances are made for special needs kids, and not in a good way.90% of all the shit Kayleigh went through in her last year was avoidable if the school had come down hard on the one kid who do most of it. But he was dealt with with kid gloves, because he is ADD and has problems understanding consequences for his action. To me this is a load of rubbish. Kids who deliberately try to hurt an humiliate other children, they understand VERY much what they are doing. if they dont' understand the consequences, it is becuase the school hasn't given them any. I definately think teachers should be allowed more assistance in the classroom. I also think that parent volunteers could be extremely effective in cutting donw on bullying. I tried to get this going last year, and was told, quite nastily I might add, that we, as parents, aren't qualified enough to identify bullying or problkems in the school yard. I think the resources are pathetically lacking in man power. I also think that we are losing our good teachers to the private school sector, and it is sad. There are some wonderful teachers out there, and I think we should be doing mor to help them. Not tying their hands in a political slice and dice of balanced budgets. Ahem, ok, I think that is my rant, lol. |
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In most cases I think children with learning difficulties should be in mainstream schools but its not always possible depending on what the problem is if a child needs constant extra care or teaching its not always possible a lot of schools dont have the reasourses to help these kids the money is not there to fund the extra teaching staff.In our local school which both maureen and I are very involved in, we both belong to the parents association they have to get their numbers in to the department of education in september thats decides if they can keep their excisting teachers the following year but if the numbers are down even by 1child then they lose a teacher, which in turn disrupts the whold school that has happened to us in the past ...So if we cant keep our excisting teaching staff what hope have we got getting extra help for kids with special needs ... its the pits ..As regards difficult to control kids I happen to think schools dont come down hard enough on these kids or their parents.Some teachers are just not able to handle these kids or for that matter neither is the principals. I know suspending these kids is maybe the way to go but dont you think thats suits the kids they love the time off. I'm all for expelling these kids who persist in disrupting and bulling and making life misrable for the rest of the class. Why should these kids get away with it .I know some of these kids have deep rooted problems weather is troubles at home or ADD. I understanf these kids need to be helped but not at the expence of the other kids and teachers in the school Now that may sound cold but I've heard stories about these kids and the mehem they cause I've seen kids who no matter what has been done to try to help them they just dont respond or they just dont care and seem to enjoy the trouble they cause....Lettie |
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I only ever had one instent with bulling and that was when Mark was 5 him and his friend was been bullied and they hide behind the bin everyday at break time ,now when i found out i went to the teacher and he did nothing because it continued so up i go and told the teacher if he did'nt do something i was going to take the bully out side and give him a smack in the month,well the teacher month fell, it was soon sorted after that.Now a days some parent dont care what there kids do so it mostly up to the schools, i know from what my lisa used to tell me ,mother and fathers are sent for but they do nothing only defend they bully what can you do if the perants wont do anything.I don't think you would get parent to supervise or they would'nt be allowed. Maureen |
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This is a complex one. Firstly my lad Grant, is at times, one of those kids who disrupt the others during lessons. We know he can be really really well behaved and work hard, and his teachers told us he is very intelligent, he just hates school. So his fidgiting and being silly takes time away from the other kids. We are doing everything possible along with the school, to give him the support and incentive to do well, while at the same time not allowing him to get away with bad behaviour days. I dont allow him privillages like going out or going on the pc, if he has had a really bad day at school etc. The schools hands are kinda tied as far as what they can do, when kids misbehave. I'm not saying bring back the cane, cos I would kill anyone that laid a hand on my kids, but they are not allowed to disipline in any real way, which does make it hard. I know this from experiance of 2 very difficult and violent children in my job. Its very hard to deal with. The thing is the kids know they can get away with it and that we cant touch them so to speak. I dont agree with sending them home either, as Grant's teacher has suggested this a couple times. I told her that I dont think thats a good idea, as Grant would love not having to go to school. I personally think that teachers should be given back some powers of disapline, ie like in the programme when they sent kids back to old style school, where they were able to punish by standing them with heavy things to hold or making them run round and round the playground. As far as integrating special needs kids I think it works very well, it does at our infants anyway. We have 2 autistic children and 3 others with physical and learning difficuties. They are all coming on in leaps and bounds. |
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I think that if children with special needs are to goto mainstream schools, it is the governments' duty to provide extra assistance in the classroom. A teachers job is hard enough, especially with rising class sizes, and it isn't fair to expect a teacher to handle a full class, and try and give a child with a learning difficulty the extra attention and support that they need. If a child has a severe learning difficulty, or a problem that causes them to be violent or disruptive, then it is probably for the best that they go to a special school, where they will get the special attention, but where possible a child with a learning difficulty should be in a mainstream school....if a child is dyslexic for example, it doesn't mean that he or she is stupid or incapable of doing well at school, just that they need a little extra support, and they should be given that support. What should happen though is that all children should be treated equally, whether it is praise or punishment....a child shouldn't be allowed to get away with murder and be given the kid glove treatment 'just because he/she is ADD', like Bratz mentioned earlier, as the bad behaviour of any child can have a bad effect on other pupils.....unless a child has a severe personality disorder, they should know right from wrong, and be taught what is acceptable as they grow up. My cousins who are now 19 & 21 are both ADD, and were so badly behaved at school, they had to be put into a special school, but the main problem was that their mother was basically useless (my mums bro's wife), she used to fill them up with sweets and cola rather than cook for them and let them do whatever they wanted....it was only after their dad spoke to the school, and made sure their iet was changed and that they were told what was right and wrong thatthey started to settle down....now they are both still avoiding additives in food, and have both washed their hands of their waste of space of a mother and are doing great! Their schooling really made a difference to them, but if they'd been brought up properly in the first place there'd have been no real need for them to be in a special school. |
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my son has a statement of special needs and had this when he was in mainstream school i understood it that if a child has a statement the lea was supposed to give the school extra money to provide the special needs that their statement state. from reading this obviously this is not the case or if it is not enough money i can only tell you what happened to me and my son my son was very disrupted when he was just starting out in school his educational psychologist wanted him to go to a special needs school then but the lea in their wisdom turned his statement down and decided he could cope in normal mainstream school it then took me another 4 years to finally get the statement but he was to stay in mainstream junior school when he was due to go up to secondary school his junior school said he would not cope with mainstream secondary school but again the education authority ignored the school advice he then went to mainstream secondary school and did not cope at all eventually have now got him in a special needs school but if he had gone to special needs school when he was 5 the chances are that he would now be in mainstream school and coping so in my case the education authority have badly let my son down i know a few poeple who had to fight to get the help that their child needs but saying all this their are some parents who dont care but not all some of us do try and do something i still think their should be smaller class sizes and more classroom assisstants i know of some schools where there are 30+ in classs to one teacher then all it would take is a couple of children to play |
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My personal opinion is that there are not enough teachers equipped to help deal with special needs kids. This is one of the things I am learning in school. I want to be able to help instead of push aside. I blame the school system for not having proper teaching staff. The teachers need to be brought up to date on the learning difficulties out there and how to help instead of shrug their shoulders. This is a subject close to heart. It's one of the reasons I want to work as a teachers aid. |
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