From: Serene Sent: 11/18/2001 9:33 PM Thank you for showing interest in this thread on Islam, Czech... I am happy that my perception of Islam is more palatable to you than what you've seen/heard so far... Now.. To Intense's questions: Conversion and Missionary work in Islam: Unlike, say, Judaism, Islam is a world religion, meaning that anyone who *chooses* to do so can become Muslim. There are not introductory rituals or stuff: if one repeats that I believe that there is no god other than God, and Muhammad-- his prophet and messenger, one can declare himself/herself as Muslim. No other person can contradict that individual for not being so... Islam allows its followers to explain it to other people, if they ask them questions, or are curious to know. But, they can never, ever force anyone to convert forcefully. If they do so, they are violating probably one of the most crucial laws of Islam, that emphasizes ("your religion is yours and mine religion is mine"). Meaning, everyone has to respect each other's beliefs, even if they personally don't believe or follow them... Missionary work is not a crucial part of Islam. Although it is hoped that everyone will become 'Muslims' one day, believers are not expected to knock on doors to proselytize it, and so forth.. The idea is, if it is asked, believers would explain, but otherwise, they would not *actively* try to convert a person from one faith to another. That is a thing that that person has to arrive himself/herself. In Koran, it is said that, if God wanted, it would have created all beings as Muslims-- of a single religion, but that denies the free agency of humans. Btw, the free will of humans also make them higher in hierarchy than angels-- angels are 'good' and believe and praise God, simply because they can't act any other way. But humans should decide whether they 'want' to be 'good' and 'moral' or 'evil' or whatever... They have to weigh the pros and cons in their heads-- a tough process on its own. Hence, a really good/moral human being is considered as even better than angels! Afterlife-- who gets to burn in the cauldron?? Aaahh... that's the 'jackpot' question, eh?! lol Technically speaking, all who believe in God can expect to enter heaven one day, it is said. And no, if you are living in the jungles of Borneo and haven't even seen a car in your life, obviously, you are not expected to go to hell -- how can you, if you weren't aware of what's going on that was beyond your perception? It is believed that these people will be judged within their own conception of religion, universe and God. Or take poor little babies or children who die so very early in life-- do they go to 'hell' because they were not 'Muslims'? Nope-- they are regarded as innocents, and they are not expected to understand or obey the rules-- they probably just become angels in the sky.. Ditto for the mentally disabled individuals, or those whose psyche crumbles apart under the pressures of this world... Those who live in the modern world-- what will happen to them? My best friend here, for instance, who is a Christian-- will she go to hell? Or a Buddhist? God does say that he will punish 'unbelievers' but I have a feeling that this description of 'unbeliever' goes pretty beyond any petty perceptions of 'my religion beats your religion' attitude.. As I said earlier, Muslims or not, I can't imagine those monsters who did the recent attacks going to the heaven.. On the other hand, what about, I don't know, Louis Pasteur, whose vaccination and tons of other discoveries/inventions saved millions of human lives? Is he condemned to 'hell' just because he is "Christian"? Please!... The Book that I believe in, I think, is far more subtle than making such ham-fisted judgments. And, I believe that is also why it seems better to leave such judgments to God, rather than ourselves, or other beings... I personally believe that God's mercy and forgiveness is infinite, and that's one of the reasons why that being is God... When I read my Book, I am not terrified, or just senselessly run into ecstasy-- but rather I tend to be awed by what it reveals me-- each and every time, something different.. As I grow, I feel that it reveals me a different facade of itself... Pork-- sanitation-- prohibition: What you say, Intense, about pork and the poor sanitation conditions of the time makes much sense. I agree with you that probably eating pork today is far less dangerous than back in those old days... I myself don't eat pork-- as most Muslims (even those who'd drink, ironically, would avoid pork for some reason) do. For me, it need not have any 'rational' reason-- because religion need not be 'rational' at all times for me. It is how I feel... I've continued practicing Islam not because I was born in a Muslim family. But because Islam, to me, means a lot more than the set of practices that I am expected to follow.. It also means my spiritual ties with my family... Years ago, when my maternal grandmother was still alive, and (when Serene was still a little child! :) ) I used to go near her as she prayed, and while she read the Koran.. I remember myself imitating her postures-- putting my forehead on the floor as she did, to rise and bend and sit as she did. At the end, "praying" with the insides of the palms of my hands raised and turned toward my chest (I must have looked hilarious with my dead serious attitude all the while!! lol) .. To a little girl-- me-- at the time, these gestures did not only mean trying to reach a higher Being that I was still somewhat unclear about. It also meant becoming one with my dear old grandmother, whom I loved so very much.. It gave peace to my heart, and took my childhood fears (and you know that children's fears can be far more terrible than those of adults) away from me for a while. That feeling of peace always remained with me, and I guess that is why I never wanted to leave my religion for some other one. Sure, other beliefs might have provided me as much spiritual ecstasy as Islam-- considering their complexity and so forth-- but I guess they would not have been able to fill the space that is such a private part of me that has remained ever since.. Islam, to me, is like your favorite faded, old pair of jeans that feel so comfortable that you can't give up, no matter what... Same thing with circumcision-- yes, Muslim boys are required to undergo it when they are still young (although not necessarily at the same time that is prescribed in the Jewish faith). I'm sure it has certain good health reasons behind it. But I guess I would have been inclined my children-- if I ever had one-- to go through it, regardless of being scientific or not, because it's one of those symbols that makes you feel a part of the 'community' (just like the initiation ceremonies among natives in different parts of the world). Yeah, I do get sentimental when it gets to spirituality.. I guess I'll never be 'rational' in the way it is usually described. Oh well.. who cares-- I'm still having *fun* !! Blessings, Seren |