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On This Day.... : Mary of Modena
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From: MSN NicknameMarkGB5  (Original Message)Sent: 9/25/2008 7:48 PM
350 years ago today, on 25 September 1658, Mary of Modena, the second wife of King James II was born. She was married at the age of 15 to the 40 year old widower James, Duke of York. He succeeded to the throne 12 years later in 1685. 
She is best known for her "role" in the Warming-pan Plot of 1688. In her 15 years of marriage up to that date she had had 10 pregnancies of which only four had produced a living child and all four had died in infancy. Then in 1688 she gave birth to a healthy boy, this more than four years after her last pregnancy. To Protestant England this was a disaster, the Prince was baptised a Catholic with the Pope as one of his Godparents. So a rumour was put about that the child had been stillborn, like so many of her previous children and that the baby was the child of a serving girl smuggled into the bedchamber in a warming-pan. The story was accepted by many and helped in the bloodless overthrow of King James later that year.        


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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 9/30/2008 8:25 PM
BTW The Nene and Welland are rivers after which jet engines we gave to the Commies were named

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 9/30/2008 8:39 PM
Sunday
Remember me telling you about Geoffrey de Mandeville and his death at Eley? Having slaughtered all the monks?
 
Eley is about 40 miles down the Great Ouse (see Wash map)
 
See the Cathedral. On a clear day it seems to "float"in the air as it is on the highest spot for 20 miles.

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From: MSN NicknameMarkGB5Sent: 10/1/2008 8:25 PM
Lincoln Cathedral is very similar, when you approach the city it seems to float above it.

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From: MSN Nickname--sundaySent: 10/1/2008 9:12 PM
That's a beautiful photo, Flashman.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 10/1/2008 9:31 PM
 
Hasn't our Mark hit the nail on the head?  You've seen the pic of the wash, Lincoln is out of view on the river Witham NW of Boston

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 10/1/2008 9:36 PM
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thanks Shula In Google you know.

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From: MSN Nickname--sundaySent: 10/2/2008 12:20 AM
Lovely.  I'd sure like to see these cathedrals some day.

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From: MSN NicknametommytalldogSent: 10/2/2008 12:47 AM
Shula, ref #30 - To participate in the service?
 
T-Dog

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 10/2/2008 1:14 AM
Church of England you know Tommy.
 
No Teagues Left Footers Fenians or Church of Scotland allowed.

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From: MSN NicknametommytalldogSent: 10/2/2008 12:32 PM
Oh, you mean they actually believe the fraudulent King James version of the bible?
 
T-Dog

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 10/2/2008 12:52 PM
Spent all last night writing it.
 
No I personally believe in the Latin Bible (is that the vulgate?). Fear of the hereafter might have improved my Latin marks at School.
 
And besides which one doesn't want the lower orders to earn the path of Redemption. They don't wash.

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From: MSN NicknamemajorshrapnelSent: 10/2/2008 1:04 PM
I think I might have mentioned before, Gloucester is my favourite....so far, got a lot more to see yet. The worse? if a cathedral is at all capable of such a crime, it has to be Liverpool's Anglican Cathedral. It's a somber place, which, despite its size, lacks splendour somehow, lacks that certain wow factor, which all the others have in abundance. Mind you, Liverpool's Catholic wigwam doesn't deliver either.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 10/2/2008 3:27 PM
I'LL BET LIVERPOOL'S "WIGWAM" DID DELIVER.  TO DEREK HATTON?  AS IN FAMILY FRIEND OF CHERIE BLAIR'S

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From: MSN NicknamemajorshrapnelSent: 10/2/2008 4:15 PM
I knew a lad, who went to school with Hatton and he said he was a conning, devious lying little shithouse back then. Why does that not surprise me?

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From: MSN NicknameFlashman191Sent: 10/2/2008 8:39 PM
'cos he's a friend of Cherie Blair's?

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