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From: MSN Nicknametyk96tyk96  (Original Message)Sent: 11/20/2006 9:56 PM
Since I started reading this forum,,, I am beggining to think that I have been taking too much of fish oil. 
 
I explained my diet in my earlier posting. Included with that diet, I usually have Mackerel/anchovie types of fish at least twice a week, and take two salmon oil capsules per day and spoonful of Cod Liver Oil at night. I also have about 1 spoonful of Cococunt oil per day and when I have salad, i would be comsumming probably a tablspoon or two of olive oil.
 
Is this too much oil?
 
Not sure if there is any correlation, but last week, my doctor told me that I was slightly anemic but very anemic for my age. And ever since then, I 've been feeling weezie, dizzie, slow, temperamental, and get tired very easily although I can still do some strenous work out.
 
All that fish oil intake, I started about a month ago. Today is the first day not taking anyhting.
 
Do you think all that fish oil has anything to do with increasing my anemia symptons?


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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 12/6/2006 6:51 AM
No, I would use gelatin, not glutamine.  It's not clear why it appears to be beneficial in some studies (and  it  may not really be in any one particular person).  Therer are numerous possibilities, and it is the kind of thing that should not have to be supplemented at all in an adult human, unless that person has suffered some terrible injury or disease.
 
As to the thrush cure, keep in mind that the drugs for oral thrush have been used on a lot of people, and there is a better "track record."  The thing you mention may be better, but it's impossible for me to do any real research on it.  The wafers I was prescribed worked very well, so that's all I can say.  I'm more concerned about mantaining good healthy, and in general, that means keeping the yeast and fungi away by avoiding stressors.  If you get rid of the thrush for a while, but keep doing what got you the thrush in the first place, this is a sign that something is very wrong.
 
Are you taking any stomach acid now, and if so, how is that working for you?

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From: MSN Nicknametyk96tyk96Sent: 12/6/2006 8:39 AM
My thrush is persistent, but under control. It hasn't spread since it came back after Mycelex treatment for three days.
 
Some days, they get bigger, but some days, they almost completely disspears. It all seem to corelate to my diet though and how comfortable my stomach feels.
 
With stomach acid, i don't notice any difference at all. I mean, i still feel slightly sour usually about 3-4 hours after I eat dinner and the stomach acid. But my stomach was like that even before I started the acid. I used to get heartburn a couple times a week.
 
I really don't know,,, I mean,,, all my symptoms sounds like sytoms they say is caused by lack of stomach acid. But really, how can our body just not produce enough stomach acid,,,? i dont konw...

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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 12/6/2006 7:06 PM
If you buy betaine HCl, notice that there is Cl in there.  You get it from salt, but my diet was very low in salt, and so that alone could have caused my problem.  I have read that things like a lot of viral activity can also result in low stomach acid.  And if you are malnourished, of course, low stomach acid may result as well.  Like I said, my thrush was gone within 2 weeks of taking the wafer medication.  If you have done that but it persists, you should ask your doctor what the next step usually is.  If you were told that you are "HIV positive," that most likely means that you have had a lot of antigenic exposure and/or have undergone powerful stressors (this can be due to legal or illegal drug abuse, for example).  It is unclear if your body can recover once a certain threshold is reached, but my guess is that this is mostly for people who are said to be "dying of AIDS."  If you have mild symptoms, as most doctors would say about you now, my guess is that you can regain your health.  However, I would advise that you be very careful from now on.  No oils rich in unsaturated fatty acids, no oxidized cholesterol, no strenuous "exercise," no drugs/alcohol/smoking, etc., along with enough high quality protein, some antioxidant-rich foods, enough of the essential vitamins and minerals, and possibly stomach acid supplementation (at least for a while).
 
Since you experience no difference, you may need more stomach acid.  If I were you, I would keep taking more until I discovered how much is too much.  As I said, I was taking more than 2 grams of betaine HCl with each meal and felt nothing different.  At that point, I decided that I would just stay at that level for a while, rather than go higher, and the problem resolved itself.  Then I began to take less, a couple of months later, and now I am down to 400 mg. with each meal.

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From: MSN Nicknametyk96tyk96Sent: 12/6/2006 11:39 PM
hans,,,
 
whats the nutiritonal yeast for? don't candidas thrive off of that?
 

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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 12/7/2006 4:00 AM
Nutritional yeast is not baker's yeast, which could certainly cause some people problems, and is meant for things like baking bread only.  The nutritional yeast is no longer active, but it contains a lot of B vitamins, amino acids, and trace minerals.  Ray Peat mentioned that his father was told by his doctor, back in the 1930s, to take a lot of this kind of yeast (probably called brewer's yeast back then) for a diabetic type of condition, and after a month of so he was fine.
 
One point I want to emphasize to you: the human body is a "survivor."  A huge number of species have gone extinct.  People can  survive all kinds of hardships, but one must provide it with the right "raw materials," while avoiding major stressors.  And even then, think of the people who survied Hitler's concentrations camps, forced to do manual labor with almost no food, day after day, week after week, etc.  The point is not to think that you need to take all kinds of supplements, and of course fish oil is actually very dangerous, and only looks "beneficial" because it interferes with arachidonic acid metabolization, which is really bad in the context of what doctors worry about most: heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, cancer, etc.  On a diet rich in fish oil but low in omega 6 PUFAs, you would have to worry about things like bleeding to death from minor bumps and bruises.

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From: MSN Nicknametyk96tyk96Sent: 12/7/2006 11:14 PM
Is large quantity of cheese safe for consumption?
 
do you practice certain food combination or not combination?

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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 12/8/2006 12:28 AM
Well, I am eat plenty of cheese. I have not eaten much of the aged cheeses, so if that bothers you, just eat the soft cheeses. I like mozarella and ricotta. You can also eat more boiled eggs and less cheese than I do, if that seems to work for you.

As to food combining, the only good science I've on this has to do with satisfaction. That is, protein and fat is "filling," whereas carbohydrates are not. Remember that separating food into groups is contrived anyway, just as talking about "saturated fats," "monounsaturated fats," "cholesterol," etc. is a bad idea. Think about what is going on at the molecular level; otherwise, you will always find some "expert" making a claim that contradicts another one. The only other approach that makes sense to me is to study actual diets, ones that actual people might follow for long periods of time. Instead, many "nutritional experts" create these artificial categories, and the problem is that it is just not scientific. For example, in one study coconut oil might be the "saturated fat" source, while in another they might use lard. These two fat sources are very different, and there is also the cooking factor in many cases. In the 1940s, Houssay showed that these two fat sources had opposite effects in the "diabetes" context, and yet this evidence has largely been ignored (he did win the Nobel Prize, but then the actual results of his experiments have been either mostly ignored or misinterpreted).

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From: MSN Nicknametyk96tyk96Sent: 12/9/2006 2:46 AM
hans,,,
 
is there some reading i can do on vegetables that have anti nutritive qualites vs. vegetables that don't?
 
 
Thanks
 
 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 12/9/2006 10:35 PM
You can get the book, "On Food and Cooking" by Harold McGee.  My paperback copy is from 1984, and starting on page 158 there is a discussion of anti-nutritive qualities of some common foods.  Also, there is probably something about this is the Enig and Fallon book, "Nourishing Traditions."  Note, though, that many, if not all of the authors of these kinds of books believe in things like the "essential fatty acid" notion, and are often unaware that only oxidized cholesterol is dangerous.  Generally speaking, you just don't want to eat large amounts of things like spinach or turnips.

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From: MSN Nicknametyk96tyk96Sent: 12/10/2006 1:03 AM
Hi Hans,,,
 
I just can't find any information that is negative towards raddish. What is it about raddish that is so toxic?
 
I eat lots of raddish, all fermented.
 
Is raddish and trunip pretty much the same thing?

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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 12/10/2006 6:48 AM
I never said to avoid a raddish now and then, but keep in mind that not every food item has been studied very well.  There are still plenty of unidentified molecules in common foods.  Just out of curiousity, what does a fermented raddish taste like?  And how did you ferment it?  How much of it do you eat in a day?

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From: MSN Nicknametyk96tyk96Sent: 12/10/2006 5:19 PM
oh,,, i love fermented raddish, and even raddish in a beef soup. I love it and grew up on it all my life and it is a comfort food for me. It seem to make my stomach feel easy and comfortable. Not neccessary warm, but just light and fuffy.
 
with fermenting raddish,,, you really have to ferment it first before consuming because it tastes kinda harsh and the texture would be still too tough.
 
well, i don't eat it everyday, i eat it sorta like condiments like the way you probably eat your saur kruts. With all the spices that is mixed with it (anchovy, shrimp, garlic, ginger, and etc... ) , I eat them with rice. We probbaly go through about 2-3 of those asian kind in a month.
 
 
Not really translated into english very well, but my favorite kimchi recipe site
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameHansSelyeWasCorrectSent: 1/3/2007 1:30 AM
Do you mean apple cider vinegar or apple cider. Try eliminating that and see what happens. Do not use it at all, even towards the end of the meal. I have never heard of those symptoms before. If someone felt those parts of your body when they felt cold or warm, would that person also feel it, or would they say, "seems fine to me?" Usually, feeling sleepy has to do with food. When I took too much betaine HCl it kept me awake, actually. As I said before, if I were you I would just keep experimenting. If something produces odd results, as this did, then it is time to change, rather than to keep doing it.

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