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From: MSN Nicknametas2181  (Original Message)Sent: 9/7/2005 3:38 AM
One of our moderators has informed us of something that happened to him while selling at a market sale.
He had a person hanging around his booth 'admiring' his work amd approached him about purchasing a 'Pattern book' of patterns that were recognized as someone else's patterns. They were blown up and while they were of poor quality, they could have been cleaned up and made useable.
This past weekend, the same person showed up with a camera to take pics of the art in his booth to make patterns from the pics he took. 
While we can't stop people from buying the work and making patterns, we are informing our members that those who do not buy or who aren't interested in buying should not be allowed to take a pictures of your work. 
I don't know if the various shows/markets allow picture taking or if you are allowed to prevent people from taking pictures of your work- but you should be aware that this is happening and maybe take steps to prevent it.
Any ideas?
 
Tom(tas2181)
 


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From: MSN NicknameJTTHECLOCKMANSent: 9/7/2005 4:12 AM
Thanks for the heads up on this. It is a first I have heard of it. I have a hard time trying to figure out why people would stoop to this. First and I do not want to down grade anyones pattern designs because there are many great ones and original ones. My point is Mother Nature provides us with so much to get patterns from and every day life also has so much to offer that it is a shame we have to copy others patterns. I know when it gets to portraits a face is a face but I am talking scenic scenes. Maybe I am not seeing something here. It is not like taking a clock pattern and making 10 of them and all look the same. I don't know I guess I am just thinking out loud.

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From: MSN NicknameKD_245Sent: 9/7/2005 2:07 PM
I saw his note Tom just hadn't had a chance to reply until now. Unfortunately, this is fairly common at craft shows, if you have something that is selling well you can expect that it will be copied soon enough. This is very common with small furnishings, shelves and pottery type items although I am surprised it's happening to scrolling though as (at least around me) I see very few scrollers at fairs. This is one of the reasons that I always try to have new items at fairs. Depending on how popular your items are, the folks taking pictures could very well work for an importer and are taking them to send overseas for mass production. Target recently paid a hefty fine for copying a crafter's clay pots she sold at fairs so it isn't surprising.
Of course, I use photos for building antique reproductions so I really can't talk.

Kevin

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From: MSN NicknameShadez6Sent: 9/7/2005 3:36 PM
Tom~
 
You are correct in your assessment that we can't stop people from buying our work and making a pattern from it, although I can't imagine why anyone would do that as the pattern itself is almost certainly less expensive then the actual cutting. If not you really would need to take a good look at your prices.
 
However, as a "professional" exhibitor at shows I can tell you you ABSOLUTELY CAN prohibit anyone and everyone from taking pictures in your booth or of your work. At the risk of delving into the whole copyright controversy.... All work created by an artist is copyrighted as soon as it is completed. If your work can be copied by taking a photo of it you can refuse to allow it to be photographed. I have seen people who post signs in their booth that all of their designs are copyrighted and that photography is prohibited. How you would actually enforce that however is another matter.
 
It is an awful shame that folks resort to this kind of tactic, but as stated earlier even big business tries to get away with it.
 
Hope that helps
Jeff Zaffino (shadez6)

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From: AllThumbsSent: 9/8/2005 3:13 PM
I do two craft shows a year. I can tell a fellow scroller in a second. The first thing they always say is " nice work. What saw do you have?". I know we all check out what is selling that day in other booths. The two shows I do are inside and there is a sign at the door,"cameras allowed.
If a show won't do what it can to protect your work maybe you should find another show to sell at or at least tell the person what is going on.
 
Carlton

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From: donSent: 11/22/2005 8:35 AM
a quick fix to that problem is to wrap your portrait like a gift in a clear plastic garbage bag....the camera will only see a glare and he will be screwed to use any pictures taken...plus the bag adds some protection to your work....

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From: Bob C.Sent: 11/22/2005 6:17 PM
The picture taking is a problem but at almost all juried shows, they make a point in posting signs (No Pictures Allowed) or in the print advertizement. I probably get several people, a show asking to take pictures, but camera phones are a pain in the back side. I do find that most people respect your wishes when you ask them not to take pictures
I like Don,s idea wrap everything in clear plastic garbage bags. 
Bob C

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From: MSN Nicknametribalwind_dot_comSent: 12/29/2005 1:49 PM
i like dons idea as well,storing in plastic bags seems like a great idea for alot of reasons,(glare,protection,waterproof etc)

ziplock storage bags would probably work really well,they come in all sizes.some even have a blue tint to them,futher foiling any photography ;)

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