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| From: alotabeans (Original Message) | Sent: 2/15/2007 3:50 PM |
First let me say I'm sorry for the long post. I am currently looking at upgrading a new scroll saw and i have found one in my price range and it looks like it has all of the features that i am looking for. I don't have the money to buy a very nice Dewalt or Hegar or an Excaliber so this is my option as of right now so i wanted to see what you all think and if any one has this saw.
The saw i am looking at is the Ryobi 18" variable speed scroll saw. (sc180vs)
It comes with a Teflon coated worktable, integrated blower and light, variable speed:500-1600 spm, this unit is factory reconditioned with a 1 year warranty.
I am currently using a tradesman 16" variable scroll saw that i got from Lowes about 2 years ago. The saw is great don't get me wrong and it could last me another 10 years. The current saw i have does have its limitations though. for example the tension lever is located at the back of the saw so blade changes are really a downtime, not a lot but enough that i have to reach to the back of the saw and release the tension then change the blade then retention. The other part about this saw is that it came with the option of pin less blades but it wasn't the pinch type blade holder, it worked on a screw that would twist the blade and would break the blades as well. So I switched it out with a sears blade holder that pinches the blade it and worked great, the only problem that I see with this is the fact that the bottom blade holder is loose and if your not careful when a blade brakes it just flies out sometimes and then i am on the floor looking for the holder.
This Ryobi says it is meant for pin less or pinned blades. It appears that the blade clamp is the pinch type, but you can't see the bottom blade holder. It has all of the components located up front for easy access.
Now for the questions:
First what makes a scroll saw with a quick blade changing system?
Does anyone have this saw and if you do what do you like about it and what don't you like about it?
Can anyone explain all of the features that are located on the from of this saw. What I mean is the tension screw and the lever on top of the top arm?
The Teflon coated worktable good or bad?
Can you use the Johnson paste wax on the table top? (I have used this stuff and man it is amazing after you put it on)
Is a 2" cut depth good?
The table tilt is only 10 degrees to the right and 45 degrees to the left. Could this be a problem?
What about a 1 inch blade stroke good or bad?
What type of vibration does this saw have?
Ok enough questions for now I know I will probably have more later as I keep comparing the Dewalts, Hegar, and the Excalipers to it.
I have found some pros and cons on the internet about this machine but not many so that is why I am submitting it to the great scroll saw board.
Pros Tool free Blade Change
Cons Dust blower and Light vibrate at certain speed setting. (I did find a solution to this problem, someone said to tape a 1/2 oz. weight to the end and it eliminated the problem.
I currently use my scroll saw for intarsia and portraits and fretwork.
Here are some of the featuers and specifications as listed on the internet.
Features
- Teflon(TM) coated anti-static worktable to reduce material binding and improve cutting performance - Tool-less blade change accepts both pin and plain end 5" blades - Variable speed for use on a variety of materials and applications -Convenient up front controls are within easy reach of the user - Integrated blower and light directs light and blower in most convenient direction - Vacuum port for dust collection - Removable/multi-position throat plate improves cutting and visibility for blade replacement - On board blade storage drawer
Specifications
- Universal Permanent Magnet Motor - 120 Volts AC @ 1.2 amps (approx. 1/7 hp) - Weight: 3.5 lbs. - Dimensions: 27.25 l x 12w x 13.75 h - Throat Clearance: 18 inches - Depth of cut: 2 inches (measured from table top to bottom of drop foot at highest position) - Blade Stroke: 1 inch - Variable speed: 500 to 1600 Strokes per Minute - Electronic Speed Control - Blade size and style: 5-inch Plain- and Pin-End - Table bevels: 10 degrees right and 45 degrees left with adjustable stop at 0 degrees
Ok now that I have either bored you or made you want to shoot me for such a long post. Now comes the time to let me have it, I mean all of the information you can give me about this saw. Can you compare it to your own saw that you have and tell me what yours has that this one does not. I want it all. I'm not going to buy unless I am confident that this saw will better my scroll saw experience.
Thanks in advance, Jesse |
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| (1 recommendation so far) | Message 24 of 36 in Discussion |
| From: KD_245 | Sent: 4/24/2007 1:01 AM |
Yes, I deleted both your messages as 1) they were duplicates, 2) they were personal attacks and 3) they were factually incorrect. Kevin |
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Gary, I am using a DeWalt 788 (the newer model that everyone is having problems with). I bought it based on the solid support from its cheering section. It works, though it is very unimpressive... and at times, it is downright frustrating. I am unable to understand how it generates such staunch supporters when it has so few distinguishing features and costs a lot more than its nearest competitors. Spence |
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I have a 778 Dewalt and has served me faithfully for 10 years, I upgraded to a hawk and all I can say about this saw is that it a seriously vibrating(even with two bundles of roof shingles for weight) blade breaking boat anchor, many calls to RBI (they are very nice people) but I never did resolve these problems, so it just goes to show you that even a big name and lots of money doesn't give you a perfect saw! take care and good luck with your purchase of your new saw! Howard |
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I have a Craftsman 16" variable speed. I love it. I find it very easy to use with great speed control. The only improvement I can recommend for this saw is putting in a zero clearance plate. The factory plate has a large opening and it does not support the work very well. I made my plate out of 1/8" plexi-glass and it works great. For the price (mine was $105) it is a steal. |
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I still own a Craftsman 16" VS. I think it's about the best low cost saw available. I cut a lot of very intricate pieces with that saw prior to upgrading.
Kevin |
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Ive had a few saws over the years (3 deltas one craftsman and now one dewalt) oh and an old timer built in 1938 i believe. The deltas were cheap at 159.00 each and lasted faithfully till they wore out. The craftsman well as soon as i could afford a new saw i got rid of it as fast ias i could. The dewalt is an older model and i got it second hand as soon as i got it i sent it in for a tuneup and ive been very happy ever since. Like those who have posted look for the saw that does what you want and save for the next model up .You get what you pay for and its never cheap. If you are going to be cutting a lot of wood and selling your work you might as well go out and get a good saw . One thing to always keep in mind is what is the down time if it breaks down.......as in who will do the maintenance and where and how long do they usually take. Good luck on your saw |
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I had two Delta Q3s for many years and was very pleased. The only reason I don't have them any more is that I retired and moved cross country. I didn't want to lug 2 heavy 10-year-old saws, so I sold one, gave away the other. Once I got settled in, bought an Excalibur EX-21. Love it. In summary: I liked my Deltas a lot, except the blade changing was a pain. Changing blades in the Excalibur is a breeze. Customer support for both Delta and Excalibur - top of the line. |
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Hi, Jesse, I don't know about the Ryobi, but, what do you consider expensive? I bought my DeWalt for under $500.00 . It has a very good blade fastening system & that was my only reason for switching from my Delta. The Delta is a good saw also. I just had a problem with it clamping "spiral" blades. Sorry, I don't have any info on the Ryobi saw, but, I feel you just have to check with as many users as you can, for info on your next purchase. Good luck . |
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| | From: GreggH | Sent: 5/5/2007 4:02 PM |
I have used a Hegner 18V since 1990 and average about 8 hours of use each week. I have not had any problems. It may cost more but my motto is buy once, cry once. |
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| | From: Al9420 | Sent: 4/7/2008 5:25 AM |
I would have to agree with a lot of the other scrollers. I didn't want to go the price but wanted something that would last so I opted for the Hegner24. I was in crafts for many years and it has never let me down. Just my 2 cents. Al |
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For the money, the Excaliber EX-21 is very difficult to beat. My wife bought me one for Christmas, and I thank her every day. Had a Dremel 1600 before, great saw for $200.00, used it 6 years, still a great saw, but once you use the EX ---- you will see what I am talking about --- virtually no vibration, smooth cuts, 21 inch throat, has every thing -- including blade storage tubes. |
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alota, i know nothing about ryobi besides my wife said they a bigger pieces of junk than the current delta 350, this from the returns when she was at depot working, if you need a good econimcal saw get a dremel 1800 or 1830, the qualtiy if there and they stand behind it 100 percent, if you are at home depot they push into ryobi and that is wrong, they have tried to push me into a osilating drum sander to replace my 13 year old ridgid, that is not happening or my dewalt saws all with the ryobi, check it out, the dremel will do everything any other saw can and is about 219 or so. i fully agree if you could afford a better saw you would ask why it took so long, but not all of us can do that yet, we can't and man have we found some beauities like a 2 year old hawk g4 for 800. al |
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