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From: MSN Nicknameﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﺼ  (Original Message)Sent: 5/13/2007 9:19 AM
The only application of the term alpha submissive within the D/s community I am familiar with off line is to a submissive who is either in a poly relationship or a member of a formal D/s group (house, tribe, family, etc). The term denotes the submissive whose relationship is primary with a dominant over the other submissives involved in a poly relationship. The alpha submissive who is a member of a formal D/s group is deemed so in recognition of her qualities as a role model and leadership abilities for the other submissive members.  The counterpart to the alpha submissive in Gorean lore is referred to as the “first girl.�?/FONT>
 
The term alpha has been used extensively in the study of animal behavior and their hierarchical structures.  Pop psychology has extrapolated the term to both male and female humans and often not in flattering ways. The problem with drawing such correlations between human behavior and animal behavior is that, for a multitude of reasons, they simply do not translate accurately from one to the other.  The proponents of the Alpha submissive theory have compounded this mistake by, 1) eliminating the most widely understood context and meaning of the term alpha submissive; 2) concocting a totally new and different meaning; and 3) applying a grab bag of weird science, streams of psycho-babble, and cult-like manipulation of facts to fabricate the broader myth of an Alpha Specie that includes both dominants and submissives.
 
The earliest use of the term I have come across is a well-written article by Kinglizard entitled: The Self-Dominated ALPHA female, (1998).  Most all other sources I have read on this subject have been written by self-proclaimed Alpha submissives who have borrowed very liberally from His writings.  In all their permutations of His writings, they have labored to define their unique and positive traits, yet not one of the Alpha submissives include Kinglizard’s acknowledgement that “many, if not all submissives�?/EM> also possess them.
 
A review of the writings and behavior demonstrated in chat rooms by self-professed Alpha submissives reveals that they tend to support the observation made by Z who concisely points out “either submit or you do not �?all the rest is superfluous.�?nbsp; This is exactly what Kinglizard says differentiates the "Self-dominated submissive�?(aka: Alpha submissives) from other submissives �?their difficulty and even inability to be submissive at all.
 
The alleged rarity of the Alpha submissive condition may actually be good news for all the common, everyday, run of the mill submissives out there. Culled from their writings as well as the one-upping, pissing contests, and loud crowing chelle and JustJessi have witnessed, a growing body of knowledge regarding the Alpha submissive reveals characteristics that would qualify them to be classified as “unhealthy submissives�?based on criteria put forth by Dr. Gloria Brame, author of Different Loving, (2000); and Yaldah Tovah, M.D., author of The Healthy Submissive (2000). Tovah even suggests that some of their characteristics may be symptomatic of even more severe, clinical issues.
 
These characteristics and resulting behavior include what appears to be the Alphas�?inability and/or unwillingness to:
  • outgrow the emotional residue of their upbringing as well as other emotional damage from their past;
  • recognize and change patterns of behavior that are self-destructive as well as damaging to others;
  • accept responsibility for their mistakes rather than blaming others and perceiving themselves as victims;
  • learn and practice healthy conflict resolution skills;
  • cease the narcissistic and histrionic behavior marked by episodes of acting-out along a continuum of emotional responses spanning intense, uncontrollable rage to the appearance of complete emotional impotence;
  • discontinue cycles of grandiosely overvaluing others then severely devaluing them due to their disappointment and rejection rather than developing mutually satisfying relationships; and
  • stop meeting their needs by manipulating others rather than doing what is necessary to become a self-sufficient and self-fulfilling human being.
Not only does Tovah caution that these characteristics may fit the clinical criteria for a borderline personality disorder but are also descriptive of an individual who simply “is not submissive�?/EM> (Tovah, 2000). While some may argue that Tovah is being too extreme, there is an interesting fact that should not be overlooked.
 
An inescapable fact is that the Alpha submissives admit to and demonstrate behavioral traits thoroughly recognized by Tovah and Brame as symptoms of individuals who clearly lack healthy personalities and the ability to be submissive. Without personal awareness of the Alpha submissive controversies, neither Tovah or Brame could possibly have an axe to grind with them.  In addition, their abundant knowledge of the Lifestyle, coupled with their clinical backgrounds and impartiality, lends a much higher level of credibility to the perspective that the Alpha submissives behavior traits more readily reflect serious personal dysfunction rather than the existence of a rare and unique species.  A profound irony is that the Alpha submissive most infamous for her displays of these traits and behavior has proclaimed that individuals with these problems should not be on line nor do they belong in the Lifestyle.
 
Z’s perception of the Alpha Specie’s arrogance and elitism receives a healthy dose of credence from none other than the self-described living proof of the Alpha Dominant and Chairman of the Alphas himself.  In a recent edict, he proclaims that it is their mission to teach the “right ways�?of the Lifestyle.  Obviously he believes that only the Alphas possess the experience and credibility to discern the truth, the light, and the “right ways�?of D/s and, therefore, they can only be found in the exclusive domain of the Alphas.  Of course, the one stipulation to becoming a beneficiary of the Alphas�?fountain of knowledge is as annie points out �?you must become a true believer and never, ever question their dogma or tactics.
 
The Alpha Chairman also boasts that if the Alphas actively recruited members, �?000s�?would flock to their sanctuary.  This seems contrary to the Chairman’s choice to close their room, prior to MSN electing to discontinue chat services, due to the lack of participation by the existing members. His perception of multitudes rushing to join the ranks of the Alphas certainly did not materialize after initially reopening the room on Phriek chat.  In fact, the Chairman felt compelled to blister the rest the Alphas with a public tirade for not caring enough about his efforts when the new room met with the same indifference and lack of participation as it did on MSN and eventually boarded up.  After recently being driven from the room of what has now become the latest group in a long line of former Alpha friends, the Home of the Alphas has been reincarnated once more.  There are no signs that the dogmatism of their Lifestyle truths nor their charming personalities ever have or ever will foster the levels of affiliation with the Alphas that the Chairman would have people believe.

The concept of the Beta dominant is an unavoidable offspring of the collective Alpha Species theory.  It has the same credibility that hopefully I have been able to illuminate on the existence of Alpha dominants and Alpha submissives.


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From: MSN Nicknameﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﺼSent: 5/13/2007 9:21 AM
The only application of the term alpha submissive within the D/s community I am familiar with off line is to a submissive who is either in a poly relationship or a member of a formal D/s group (house, tribe, family, etc). The term denotes the submissive whose relationship is primary with a dominant over the other submissives involved in a poly relationship. The alpha submissive who is a member of a formal D/s group is deemed so in recognition of her qualities as a role model and leadership abilities for the other submissive members.  The counterpart to the alpha submissive in Gorean lore is referred to as the “first girl.�?/FONT>
 
The term alpha has been used extensively in the study of animal behavior and their hierarchical structures.  Pop psychology has extrapolated the term to both male and female humans and often not in flattering ways. The problem with drawing such correlations between human behavior and animal behavior is that, for a multitude of reasons, they simply do not translate accurately from one to the other.  The proponents of the Alpha submissive theory have compounded this mistake by, 1) eliminating the most widely understood context and meaning of the term alpha submissive; 2) concocting a totally new and different meaning; and 3) applying a grab bag of weird science, streams of psycho-babble, and cult-like manipulation of facts to fabricate the broader myth of an Alpha Specie that includes both dominants and submissives.
 
The earliest use of the term I have come across is a well-written article by Kinglizard entitled: The Self-Dominated ALPHA female, (1998).  Most all other sources I have read on this subject have been written by self-proclaimed Alpha submissives who have borrowed very liberally from His writings.  In all their permutations of His writings, they have labored to define their unique and positive traits, yet not one of the Alpha submissives include Kinglizard’s acknowledgement that “many, if not all submissives�?/EM> also possess them.
 
A review of the writings and behavior demonstrated in chat rooms by self-professed Alpha submissives reveals that they tend to support the observation made by Z who concisely points out “either submit or you do not �?all the rest is superfluous.�?nbsp; This is exactly what Kinglizard says differentiates the "Self-dominated submissive�?(aka: Alpha submissives) from other submissives �?their difficulty and even inability to be submissive at all.
 
The alleged rarity of the Alpha submissive condition may actually be good news for all the common, everyday, run of the mill submissives out there. Culled from their writings as well as the one-upping, pissing contests, and loud crowing chelle and JustJessi have witnessed, a growing body of knowledge regarding the Alpha submissive reveals characteristics that would qualify them to be classified as “unhealthy submissives�?based on criteria put forth by Dr. Gloria Brame, author of Different Loving, (2000); and Yaldah Tovah, M.D., author of The Healthy Submissive (2000). Tovah even suggests that some of their characteristics may be symptomatic of even more severe, clinical issues.
 
These characteristics and resulting behavior include what appears to be the Alphas�?inability and/or unwillingness to:
  • outgrow the emotional residue of their upbringing as well as other emotional damage from their past;

  • recognize and change patterns of behavior that are self-destructive as well as damaging to others;

  • accept responsibility for their mistakes rather than blaming others and perceiving themselves as victims;

  • learn and practice healthy conflict resolution skills;

  • cease the narcissistic and histrionic behavior marked by episodes of acting-out along a continuum of emotional responses spanning intense, uncontrollable rage to the appearance of complete emotional impotence;

  • discontinue cycles of grandiosely overvaluing others then severely devaluing them due to their disappointment and rejection rather than developing mutually satisfying relationships; and

  • stop meeting their needs by manipulating others rather than doing what is necessary to become a self-sufficient and self-fulfilling human being.
Not only does Tovah caution that these characteristics may fit the clinical criteria for a borderline personality disorder but are also descriptive of an individual who simply “is not submissive�?/EM> (Tovah, 2000). While some may argue that Tovah is being too extreme, there is an interesting fact that should not be overlooked.
 
An inescapable fact is that the Alpha submissives admit to and demonstrate behavioral traits thoroughly recognized by Tovah and Brame as symptoms of individuals who clearly lack healthy personalities and the ability to be submissive. Without personal awareness of the Alpha submissive controversies, neither Tovah or Brame could possibly have an axe to grind with them.  In addition, their abundant knowledge of the Lifestyle, coupled with their clinical backgrounds and impartiality, lends a much higher level of credibility to the perspective that the Alpha submissives behavior traits more readily reflect serious personal dysfunction rather than the existence of a rare and unique species.  A profound irony is that the Alpha submissive most infamous for her displays of these traits and behavior has proclaimed that individuals with these problems should not be on line nor do they belong in the Lifestyle.
 
Z’s perception of the Alpha Specie’s arrogance and elitism receives a healthy dose of credence from none other than the self-described living proof of the Alpha Dominant and Chairman of the Alphas himself.  In a recent edict, he proclaims that it is their mission to teach the “right ways�?of the Lifestyle.  Obviously he believes that only the Alphas possess the experience and credibility to discern the truth, the light, and the “right ways�?of D/s and, therefore, they can only be found in the exclusive domain of the Alphas.  Of course, the one stipulation to becoming a beneficiary of the Alphas�?fountain of knowledge is as annie points out �?you must become a true believer and never, ever question their dogma or tactics.
 
The Alpha Chairman also boasts that if the Alphas actively recruited members, �?000s�?would flock to their sanctuary.  This seems contrary to the Chairman’s choice to close their room, prior to MSN electing to discontinue chat services, due to the lack of participation by the existing members. His perception of multitudes rushing to join the ranks of the Alphas certainly did not materialize after initially reopening the room on Phriek chat.  In fact, the Chairman felt compelled to blister the rest the Alphas with a public tirade for not caring enough about his efforts when the new room met with the same indifference and lack of participation as it did on MSN and eventually boarded up.  After recently being driven from the room of what has now become the latest group in a long line of former Alpha friends, the Home of the Alphas has been reincarnated once more.  There are no signs that the dogmatism of their Lifestyle truths nor their charming personalities ever have or ever will foster the levels of affiliation with the Alphas that the Chairman would have people believe.

The concept of the Beta dominant is an unavoidable offspring of the collective Alpha Species theory.  It has the same credibility that hopefully I have been able to illuminate on the existence of Alpha dominants and Alpha submissives.

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From: MSN Nicknameﺼﺸ§hìftìñgWìñdﻌﺼSent: 5/13/2007 9:23 AM
The only application of the term alpha submissive within the D/s community I am familiar with off line is to a submissive who is either in a poly relationship or a member of a formal D/s group (house, tribe, family, etc). The term denotes the submissive whose relationship is primary with a dominant over the other submissives involved in a poly relationship. The alpha submissive who is a member of a formal D/s group is deemed so in recognition of her qualities as a role model and leadership abilities for the other submissive members.  The counterpart to the alpha submissive in Gorean lore is referred to as the “first girl.�?/FONT>
 
The term alpha has been used extensively in the study of animal behavior and their hierarchical structures.  Pop psychology has extrapolated the term to both male and female humans and often not in flattering ways. The problem with drawing such correlations between human behavior and animal behavior is that, for a multitude of reasons, they simply do not translate accurately from one to the other.  The proponents of the Alpha submissive theory have compounded this mistake by, 1) eliminating the most widely understood context and meaning of the term alpha submissive; 2) concocting a totally new and different meaning; and 3) applying a grab bag of weird science, streams of psycho-babble, and cult-like manipulation of facts to fabricate the broader myth of an Alpha Specie that includes both dominants and submissives.
 
The earliest use of the term I have come across is a well-written article by Kinglizard entitled: The Self-Dominated ALPHA female, (1998).  Most all other sources I have read on this subject have been written by self-proclaimed Alpha submissives who have borrowed very liberally from His writings.  In all their permutations of His writings, they have labored to define their unique and positive traits, yet not one of the Alpha submissives include Kinglizard’s acknowledgement that “many, if not all submissives�?/EM> also possess them.
 
A review of the writings and behavior demonstrated in chat rooms by self-professed Alpha submissives reveals that they tend to support the observation made by Z who concisely points out “either submit or you do not �?all the rest is superfluous.�?nbsp; This is exactly what Kinglizard says differentiates the "Self-dominated submissive�?(aka: Alpha submissives) from other submissives �?their difficulty and even inability to be submissive at all.
 
The alleged rarity of the Alpha submissive condition may actually be good news for all the common, everyday, run of the mill submissives out there. Culled from their writings as well as the one-upping, pissing contests, and loud crowing chelle and JustJessi have witnessed, a growing body of knowledge regarding the Alpha submissive reveals characteristics that would qualify them to be classified as “unhealthy submissives�?based on criteria put forth by Dr. Gloria Brame, author of Different Loving, (2000); and Yaldah Tovah, M.D., author of The Healthy Submissive (2000). Tovah even suggests that some of their characteristics may be symptomatic of even more severe, clinical issues.
 
These characteristics and resulting behavior include what appears to be the Alphas�?inability and/or unwillingness to:
  • outgrow the emotional residue of their upbringing as well as other emotional damage from their past;

  • recognize and change patterns of behavior that are self-destructive as well as damaging to others;

  • accept responsibility for their mistakes rather than blaming others and perceiving themselves as victims;

  • learn and practice healthy conflict resolution skills;

  • cease the narcissistic and histrionic behavior marked by episodes of acting-out along a continuum of emotional responses spanning intense, uncontrollable rage to the appearance of complete emotional impotence;

  • discontinue cycles of grandiosely overvaluing others then severely devaluing them due to their disappointment and rejection rather than developing mutually satisfying relationships; and

  • stop meeting their needs by manipulating others rather than doing what is necessary to become a self-sufficient and self-fulfilling human being.
Not only does Tovah caution that these characteristics may fit the clinical criteria for a borderline personality disorder but are also descriptive of an individual who simply “is not submissive�?/EM> (Tovah, 2000). While some may argue that Tovah is being too extreme, there is an interesting fact that should not be overlooked.
 
An inescapable fact is that the Alpha submissives admit to and demonstrate behavioral traits thoroughly recognized by Tovah and Brame as symptoms of individuals who clearly lack healthy personalities and the ability to be submissive. Without personal awareness of the Alpha submissive controversies, neither Tovah or Brame could possibly have an axe to grind with them.  In addition, their abundant knowledge of the Lifestyle, coupled with their clinical backgrounds and impartiality, lends a much higher level of credibility to the perspective that the Alpha submissives behavior traits more readily reflect serious personal dysfunction rather than the existence of a rare and unique species.  A profound irony is that the Alpha submissive most infamous for her displays of these traits and behavior has proclaimed that individuals with these problems should not be on line nor do they belong in the Lifestyle.
 
Z’s perception of the Alpha Specie’s arrogance and elitism receives a healthy dose of credence from none other than the self-described living proof of the Alpha Dominant and Chairman of the Alphas himself.  In a recent edict, he proclaims that it is their mission to teach the “right ways�?of the Lifestyle.  Obviously he believes that only the Alphas possess the experience and credibility to discern the truth, the light, and the “right ways�?of D/s and, therefore, they can only be found in the exclusive domain of the Alphas.  Of course, the one stipulation to becoming a beneficiary of the Alphas�?fountain of knowledge is as annie points out �?you must become a true believer and never, ever question their dogma or tactics.
 
The Alpha Chairman also boasts that if the Alphas actively recruited members, �?000s�?would flock to their sanctuary.  This seems contrary to the Chairman’s choice to close their room, prior to MSN electing to discontinue chat services, due to the lack of participation by the existing members. His perception of multitudes rushing to join the ranks of the Alphas certainly did not materialize after initially reopening the room on Phriek chat.  In fact, the Chairman felt compelled to blister the rest the Alphas with a public tirade for not caring enough about his efforts when the new room met with the same indifference and lack of participation as it did on MSN and eventually boarded up.  After recently being driven from the room of what has now become the latest group in a long line of former Alpha friends, the Home of the Alphas has been reincarnated once more.  There are no signs that the dogmatism of their Lifestyle truths nor their charming personalities ever have or ever will foster the levels of affiliation with the Alphas that the Chairman would have people believe.

The concept of the Beta dominant is an unavoidable offspring of the collective Alpha Species theory.  It has the same credibility that hopefully I have been able to illuminate on the existence of Alpha dominants and Alpha submissives.