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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 11/22/2006 2:52 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameSobeit33</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 7/11/2004 1:23 AM

As it was in the days of Noah...but wait - what does it say about Noah's day? Let us look into God's word for the answer instead of just swallowing the traditions of man, as we have in the past. Are you really willing to do that? To believe God's word and come out of the prison house of man's theology? God spoke to Jeremiah while he was in the prison, and because he heard God's voice and believed, he was delivered out of prison and became free. You can be free today too, friend, for Jesus said, "Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." Just believe the plain teaching of the Word of God, regardless of how it cuts your past theology and teaching.

Now let us turn to Luke 17 and see what it says about Noah. First, Luke 17:26-37

"And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

Now let us examine this very closely and see who it was that was taken, and what happens to the one who is left. In John 15:1-2 Jesus says:

"I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit He taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, He purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit."

Notice please..the one who was taken away was the one who did not bear any fruit. In Luke the ones who did not enter into the ark were destroyed when the flood came. The one who was left was the one who bore fruit, but he was purged so that he would bear more fruit.

Now let us turn to Matt. 24:37-41 and read carefully together:

"But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away: so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field: the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill: the one shall be taken, and the other left."

Now it very plainly says, "As it was in the days of Noah". As it was. Not different, not the opposite way. But as it was in the days of Noah. How was it in Noah's day? The flood of judgment came and took the wicked all away, and the righteous were left to inherit the earth. Oh yes, they did, for when the waters receded and Noah and his family stepped out on the earth again, it all belonged to them. There was no one to dispute their claim. The fat of the land was theirs. God had given it all to them. The wicked had been taken away. And yet, man has devised a theology in which it is just the opposite. They claim the righteous are taken away into the sky for a big supper and the wicked are left to rule the earth. Also, the devil is left free to have his own way in the lives of all men on the earth.

The Bible, my friend, does not teach any such thing. For as it was in the days of Noah, the wicked shall be judged and taken away, and the righteous and the meek shall inherit the earth, as well as all of heaven's glories. Someone says, "Don't you believe in a rapture, a catching up of the saints?" Of course I believe in a catching up of the saints. The Bible declares it firmly. But I do not believe the purpose of it is to snatch a Door little half-hearted. down-trodden people

out from under the heel of Satan just before he crushes them completely out of existence. Nor to keep the last little handful of discouraged saints from backsliding into the ways of the world, as we have been taught.

Someone says, "God is too good to let His own dear people go through the great tribulation, with all its fiery trial." Is that so? Did you ever think of trying to tell that to the three Hebrew children? Was God too good to let them be thrown into the fiery furnace? No, but He was good enough to stay by their side in the furnace, and to bring them forth with nothing burned but their bonds. Did you ever think of telling Daniel that God was too good to let him go into a den of lions? And did you ever wonder what the martyrs of the early church would answer to that? What would those faithful children of God who were tortured by the Roman Popes and suffered at the hands of the fiends of the Inquisition if you told them God was too good to let His people go through persecution and tribulation? The church has always grown strong and healthy in the Grace of God during times of great persecution and fiery trials.

The prophet of God warned, "Woe to them that are at ease in Zion." It is those who call upon God and strengthen weak knees and put on the whole armor of God who will stand in that day. And God certainly will have a people who will be strong and do exploits in the last days, the days of judgment, for God promised it in Daniel 11:32. These are those who will "Stand", who will be left when judgment has passed over. Proverbs 3:25-26:

"Be not afraid of sudden fear, neither of the desolation of the wicked, when it cometh. For the Lord shall be thy confidence, and shall keep thy foot from being taken."

It is plain here that the righteous are not taken, but the righteous will be left. Well, if someone is to be taken, who is it? Proverbs 11:6 says - "The righteousness of the upright shall deliver them; but transgressors shall be taken.." Think of that! Transgressors to be taken! That is not what man has taught us, is it? As it was in the days of Noah. Remember. . . As it was...

In Job 34:20 we have a vivid description of atomic destruction: "In a moment shall they die, and the people shall be troubled at midnight, and pass away; and the mighty shall be taken away..."

Do you still want to be taken away, at midnight, in a moment, or would you rather put on the whole armor of God and stand in that evil day?

The trouble is that the preachers, having learned their revelation from man, are not telling the people that they will have to stand. Therefore, God's people are not putting on the whole armor.

Jeremiah the prophet cried out against them in chapter 6, verses 10 thru 14, saying that they were taken because they rejected the Word of the Lord, and that the preachers had cried peace when there was no peace. Also in chapter 8, verses 9 thru 11, he said:

"The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken; lo, they have rejected the Word of the Lord; and what wisdom is in them? From the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely. For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, peace, peace; when there is no peace."

Isaiah the prophet said in 8:15: "And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken and be snared, and be taken."

By: Bill Britton




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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/22/2006 2:53 AM
From: joie2 Sent: 11/29/2004 6:47 PM
 The righteous shall inherit the earth.  Guess these folks today are not righeous, for they sure do not wish to inherit any earth.
 
I pray God will give me their portion and I will have abundance.
Years ago, when I was very young, I was riding in the country.  It was just after a tornado had gone through our area.
 
We went by where a chicken house had blown down;  was destroyed.  Another one right beside it was still standing and not hurt.
God spoke to me right then and there and revealed to me that the rapture teaching is wrong and has things backwards.
 
He showed me with those two houses, that the one which was taken was the one which was destroyed.
The one which was left was still standing unhurt.
 
Then I could see it in the Word.  I have never believed in any 'rapture' since that day.
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/22/2006 2:56 AM
From: tom doley Sent: 11/29/2004 6:53 PM
God does not speak directly to you. He does not speak directly to me, nor does he speak directly to any one.


See Tom and many others, believe in a dead god.   one  who cannot speak.  one who does not speak.  it proves to me that they themselves  are not where they can hear God, or have any fellowship with him.

 

He certainly DOES speak to me, almost every single day.  I would be very worried if God did not speak to me.  I think it proves they do not know God, have never known God,  when they think He cannot or will not speak directly to his children.

I would be afraid to come to such a conclusion....that the Creator of this world,  cannot or will not speak any longer.  What do they think God is?  a deaf and dumb idol is all they could think.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/26/2007 10:41 PM
When?  Tribulation?
 

Ac 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Ro 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Ro 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Ro 5:4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope: Ro 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Ro 12:11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;

Ro 12:12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

Ro 12:13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.

2Cor 1:3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;

2co 1:4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.

2co 1:5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.

2Cor 7:4 Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.

2co 7:5 For, when we were come into Macedonia, our flesh had no rest, but we were troubled on every side; without were fightings, within were fears.

1Thes 3:3 That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto.

1th 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.

Re 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

2Tim 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

I think surely you all must read a different Word from what I read.?

Please show me that verse saying the church will be raptured.  I truly would like to read that.

One more:

Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (this happenes AFTER the tribulation.  sixth seal)

Mt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 12/4/2007 3:40 PM
For those of you who believe that Noah and the ark are a type of some 'rapture' let me show you something which God showed me this morning.
 
Not everyone who entered that ark were of God.  when that ark settled down on dry land again, someone was not living true to God.  That someone entered that ark not right with God.
 
Who, you might ask.  Ham. 
 
Ham was never right with God, neither were his sons.  Ham is the very one who led Noah to revert right back to law and animal sacrifices.  Ham is responsible for Noah being found 'naked'.
 
Just as Adam found himself 'naked' and just as Laodicia is 'naked', so Noah backslid and went back to being 'naked'.
 
who brought Noah back into Grace?  His other two sons.  They went BACKWARDS  (toward Noah's sin)  and COVERED his nakedness, or in other words, brought him back to his senses, or Grace.
 
Who was cursed?  The son of Ham, Canaan.  So will there be some 'hams' in the 'rapture'?
 
How then is it a type of such a thing?  The living shall be 'changed' in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye.
 
changed,  HOW?  From mortal into immortal.
 
So it proves what I have been thinking... That Adam,  or MANKIND, was not changed until that Ark.
 
I fully believe mankind was still in their original state, of immortal power, even though death had entered them,  until that flood.  Those who were alive and remained after that time,  (Noah and his family)  were CHANGED in a moment...how>?
  From immortal, or glory,  to mortal or dust;  death.
 
So it will be reverted back again,  when....the living saints will again go through the CHANGE in a moment.
 
JO

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 12/11/2007 12:52 AM
Would like to hear what you think    of post #5.

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