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From:

OZCherie1 (Original Message)

Sent: 2007/02/03 11:33 PM

Hello all,

I am posting this is the hope that someone can help knock down some brick walls - I have never used this sort of forum before and am not sure whether I should post separate messages for each name. So I apologise if I have done this wrong. The people I am interested in are:

- BARRY - Bartholomew (B late 1700s) in Limerick, Ireland. Married Johanna (surname unknown). The only child I have for them is Patrick (B abt 1810 Shannagolden, Limerick; D 27/5/1886 Australia). These are my 4th grandparents and 3rd great grandfather.
- BARTLEY �?Martin (B abt 1823 County Clare, Ireland; D 5/3/1877 Australia) married Hannah Joyce in Victoria, Australia. Martin’s father was John �?no other details. Martin and Hannah are my 3rd great grandparents.

- BESGROVE/BISGROVE �?Joseph Bisgrove �?the name seems to have changed over the years to Besgrove �?was born 1755 in Somserset, England, died 20/5/1807 in Kingsbury, Episcopi, Somerset. He married Margaret Knight (B 1760; D 1826 Kingsbury, Episcopi). These are my 6th great grandparents. I have found 3 children for them, including my 5th great grandfather, George (B1790; D 8/4/1848). George married Ann (Nancy) Trott (B abt 1791).

- CAMERON �?probably the wrong forum for this one as it is Scottish but here goes. Duncan Cameron and Sarah McGregor married 17/1/1784. My 4th great grandmother Sarah Cameron was their daughter and was born on 2/1/1785 in Cornwallen, Scotland and died 3/11/1870 in Australia. Sarah Cameron married Alexander McGilvray about 1809 in Argllshire, Scotland.

- CLIFTON �?John (B abt 1770) he and married a Philadephia Swift (B abt 1775). These are my 5th great grandparents. The only child I have found for them is my 4th great grandmother - Philadelphia Clifton (B 5/5/1797 Northiam, Sussex or Hawkhurst Kent; D 22/4/1878 Australia). She married James Stace (B1802; D 16/1/1866) on 21/11/1818 in Northingham, Sussex and had at least 12 children.

I hope someone can help me.

From:

mickym1951 in response to Message 1

Sent: 2007/02/09 08:24 PM

Hi Cherie,Hope this section Helps

Mike

John Cliften Born 15th apr 1770 Wadhurst Parish Sussex
Father George Cliften
Mother Esther

This Has John Cliften as marrying a Philadelphia Evans Not Swift
24th Jan 1796 Wadhurst Parish Sussex
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Children
Philadelphia Clifton
Female Christening 5th May 1797 Wadhurst Parish Sussex
Ann Clifton Female Christening 25th Aug 1799 Wadhurst Parish Sussex
William Clifton Male Christening 4th Dec 1803 Wadhurst Parish Sussex

Philadelphia Cliften
This Section has her born 1801not 1797
Married a James Stace 21st Nov 1818 sussex
She Died 22nd apr 1878
James Stace Born abt 1802 Sussex
Died 16th Jan 1866

Children

James Stace - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 14 APR 1825 , Sussex, England

Edward Stace - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 09 JAN 1827 , Sussex, England

Rhoda Stace - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 10 JUL 1833 , Sussex, England

Eliza Ann Stace - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 15 SEP 1823 , Sussex, England

Henry Stace - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 12 JUL 1831 , Sussex, England

Ann Stace - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: OCT 1829 , Sussex, England

Louisa Stace - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 15 MAY 1836 , Sussex, England

From:

Chloe-Cat in response to Message 1

Sent: 2007/03/02 09:43 PM

Hi Cherie

I've been looking into Clifton for you. Hopefully the following will be of help.

In the 1841 census Philadelphia Clifton b 1771 in Kent (age 70) was residing in Burgate Lane, Canterbury with John Clifton b 1816 Kent a Wool Comber. I'm assuming John was Philadelphia's grandson - the dates and ages would fit for this.

There is a death record of Philadelphia Clifton in the September quarter of 1852 in Canterbury. Again, this would fit.

Regarding Philadelphia Clifton, your 4th g.grandmother, I have found eleven of the 12 children (in no particular order):

ELIZA ANN - 15 Sept 1823 Sussex

JAMES - 14 April 1825 Sussex

EDWARD - 9 Jan 1827 Sussex

RHODA - 10 July 1833 Sussex

HENRY - 12 July 1831 Sussex

MARY ANN - November 1820 Kent

PHILADELPHIA - 26 June 1819

ANN - October 1829 Sussex

LOUISA - 15 May 1836 Sussex

HARRIET - 8 January 1842 Middlehope, New South Wales, Australia

SARAH ANN - 1838 New South Wales, Australia

I am ASSUMING the twelfth child was indeed John as mentioned previously who was residing with what could be his grandmother in the 1841 census.

I have also found marriages for two of the children:

Eliza Ann married JOHN TUCKER on 20 January 1848 in New South Wales, Australia

Rhoda married JAMES WEEKES in April 1850 in New South Wales, Australia

A death record of Rhoda has presented itself also - 4 December 1887.

Hope this information is useful to you.

Kay

Just wondering if any of the above information has been helpful and if you'd like me to search anything further. If so, do please let me a message and I'll see if I can find any more for you.

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