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Message 1 of 25 in Discussion

From:

ConnemaraKate (Original Message)

Sent: 4/14/2008 6:44 PM

From: <NOBR>

SweetBubbles199</NOBR> (Original Message)

Sent: 2008/04/14 06:37 PM

I was hoping someone may be able to help my great x3 grandmother her name was

Jane Couch she was baptised in St Keverne Cornwall England on the 16th august 1846 her parents are lisited as James Couch and Jane (no surname)

apparently she was married in orange nsw in 1866 to John Lawler who died in 1866 then she married James McKeon in orange 1871 from then i have childrens names etc any further information about her would be great about her english timeline

thanks

Debbie

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Message 11 of 25 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 4/15/2008 1:18 PM

I think we can safely say that Elizabeth and James were certainly brother and sister as not only are the same parents listed but they also have the second Christian name of Thomas.

Kay

Manager

Message 12 of 25 in Discussion

From:

SweetBubbles199

Sent: 4/15/2008 1:49 PM

hi kay

sorry i might have given you the wrong information i see you have found a james couch but his daughter Jane is not listed her name is definality jane them she is my great grand mother

from the family search site it gives her baptism as 16 august 1848

her date of death is 1914 sydney australia

thanks kay

debbie

ps i am waiting for her death certifcate to come back ordered it today

Message 13 of 25 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 4/15/2008 2:49 PM

Hi Debbie

Jane's baptism was certainly 16 August but it was 1846, not 1848 as you say - here is the LDS record I have found:

JANE COUCH			Pedigree
	Female

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

16 AUG 1846

Saint Keverne, Cornwall, England

Death:

Burial:


Parents:
	Father:	JAMES COUCH	Family
	Mother:	JANE

From the initial information you gave me, I have certainly found Jane on the 1851 census (which would be the first one she would be listed on due to her birth year) with parents James and Jane, along with siblings:

Elizabeth Christened 3.5.1840 St Keverne

John Willy Christened 27.3.1842 St Keverne

Grace Christened 12.7.1844 St Keverne

Josiah Christened 19.11.1848 St Keverne

This is the only family on the 1851 census that lists a Jane Couch with parents James & Jane that fits the year and area of her birth in 1846.

Maybe you'd like to check over the information I've found, above, and then let me know if you would like me to search anything further.

Kay

Manager

Message 14 of 25 in Discussion

From:

SweetBubbles199

Sent: 4/15/2008 6:29 PM

hi kay

i am sorry you are 100% correct i forgot we go backwards in findings

anyway i might be able to help you with my search i found in the australian cemetary search online this

James Couch
son of William and Loveday
27th June 1891
age 84 years
coonanable old cemetary

then another couch

Grace Couch
20th September 1836
cornwall england
with william
age 60 years
molong cemetary

then williams garve

william henry couch
4th februry 1836
buried 5th may 1910
age 74 years
with grace

then i found this one

albert william
9th november 1958
age 77 years
son / william and grace

kay is it possible that these are the same people from what you sent me earlier

i'll have a look at the NSW birth index

thanks so far kay how would i find there actual birth dates from what you sent me

Debbie

molong cemetary

Message 15 of 25 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 4/15/2008 6:59 PM

Well Debbie, the entry for James is definitely the correct one - as we do know his parents were William and Loveday.

The entry for Grace Couch I think is connected but I'm not sure how. Her birth year would have been c1776 if she was 60 in 1836. This would make her too old to be James' mother (the individual shown in the 1841 census with parents James & Jane and sibling Elizabeth). We know it's not the mother of James born 1809c but could possibly be William Couch's mother.

The William Henry Couch sounds feesible as a sibling of your Jane from the year of birth - 1836. I'm not certain why he would have been buried with this Grace though. I could understand if this had been Grace, the first wife of James as it could have been William's mother of course.

The entries for William and Albert. Again I'm uncertain about these as so far they have not featured in either the 1841 or 1851 censuses with the same family group as before (ie: James, the head, Jane the wife, Elizabeth and James the children).

Regarding the birth dates, well, I've only managed to find what has shown up on LDS - sometimes the birth dates are shown, sometimes just the Christening dates - however, I have found that there occasions where these are actually the same date!

I will have a look into Albert and Henry to see if I can throw any light on these two and their connection to your Couches.

Sorry I'm not sounding more helpful at this stage.

Kay

Manager

Message 16 of 25 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 4/15/2008 7:32 PM

From: <NOBR>

SweetBubbles199</NOBR> (Original Message)

Sent: 15/04/2008 19:01

hi kay

i found some death cert in NSW birth deaths index

was unable to locate australian birth

death

Grace couch

parents john and christina

death place Molong nsw 1897

willaim henry

parents james and jane

death place molong nsw 1910

james couch

parents william and loveday

death place coonamble 1891

josiah couch

parents james and jane 1934

death place granville nsw

henry pearce couch

parents james and jane

death place

broken hill nsw 1940

kay finding these names i am sure we are on the right track

i couldnt locate a death cert or marraige cert for william and love day here in australia

and no death cert for loveday here

thanks kay

debbie

Message 17 of 25 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 4/15/2008 7:36 PM

Well I'm confident the James and Josiah records are correct. William Henry and Henry Pearce are possible on the basis the parents Christian names fit - though don't take this as red.

The others I can't say - I've found no evidence for them which fits the rest of the family.

The only really certain way is to obtain birth certificates which of course isn't always easy!

As for Willian and Loveday my guess (and it is a guess) is that they remained in England - if you scroll back up you'll see the death entry I found in Helston for a Loveday Couch - I believe this to be yours.

Now, armed with all this information, maybe you'd like to digest what we have and then get back to me with the direction you'd like me to follow.

Hope this helps.

Kay

Manager

Message 18 of 25 in Discussion

From:

SweetBubbles199

Sent: 4/15/2008 7:50 PM

dear kay

thank you for that

i have also found a child of william and grace called loveday

i think the best thisng to do now is get there cert: and confirm all of the information you have supplied and what i have found

i will keep you informed on what i have found my end and will check back with you in a few days

so once again thanks

debbie

Message 19 of 25 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 4/15/2008 7:56 PM

You're very welcome Debbie. Yes please do let me know how you get on with obtaining the certificates you want. Then you can tell me what, if anything, you'd like me to follow.

I look forward to hearing the next intalment!

Kay

Manager

Message 20 of 25 in Discussion

From:

SweetBubbles199

Sent: 6/8/2008 4:07 AM

hi Kay

thanks for the information you have supplied so far for james thomas couch and jane nee barker found the marraige and family information from the 1841 and 1851 census and the births of their 7 children born in st kevernes plus i more in 1861 australia so i now know that they were there in 1853 and then in orange nsw australia 1861 i have checked australian site no help there so far

Q:1 is there anyway to find out when they left england

Q:2 how can i find the birth records for james couch parents married in 1803

i have scowled the LDS site and St Kevernes parish registed nothing for them before 1803 when they married only there deaths william 4/2/1836 and loveday jun 1851

Q3james 2nd wifes name was jane barker but no marriage records in the area for him jane or his 1st wife grace she had two children to him william 1836 and james 1838 william went to live with loveday and jane took james this is all i have managed to find out so far ,any help at would be greatful

thanking so kindly

Debbs

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Message 21 of 25 in Discussion

Sent: 6/8/2008 7:48 AM

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Message 22 of 25 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 6/8/2008 8:27 AM

Bearing in mind how, over the years, names often become mis-translated or even changed, I'm finding that for the surname Hoekin the information forthcoming has been spelt Hocking. Funnily enough I've found this previously when looking for a Hocking on behalf of someone else it had been transcribed as Hawkin. Now with this in mind, and the location of St Keverne, I'm wondering if this one might fit:

LOVEDY THOMAS HOCKING			Pedigree
	Female

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

30 MAR 1777

Cury, Cornwall, England

Death:

Burial:


Parents:
	Father:	ARTHAR HOCKING	Family
	Mother:	ELIZABETH

Cury isn't that far from St Keverne and even in those days people did move from place to place between their birth and marriage.

Have a look at this and see what you think.

Kay

Manager

Message 23 of 25 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 6/8/2008 8:32 AM

With regard to William Couch's birth, there are quite a number coming up for a period 10 years + and - Loveday's birth. On this basis it's rather like trying to find a needle in a haystack!

This link http://www.stkeverneparishcouncil.org.uk/cms/ might be worth looking at and if necessary contact, in the hope parish records may be held for that period. If so either a birth record of James might help or better still the marriage record of William Couch and Loveday. Have a look at the above and think about emailing them to ask if they hold records.

Good luck and do keep me posted!

Kay

Manager

Message 24 of 25 in Discussion

From:

SweetBubbles199

Sent: 6/9/2008 3:29 AM

Hi Kay

Good news i took your advise and contacted the St Keverne's History people a lovely lady named Diane responded to me within hours with all the details i required including copies of Baptism and marriage certificates of both william and loveday couch plus all the children and siblings of each parent She has done this free of charge i only wish there was a way other than saying thank you it doesnt seem enough just saying thank you

the only thing she couldnt help me with was there departure date from england but i have enough now to go on

so i want to say thank you to you too without your help i wouldnt have found any of them Between Daine and myself we have been able to go back as far as 1700

so THANK YOU

Debbie

Message 25 of 25 in Discussion

From:

Chloe-Cat

Sent: 6/9/2008 8:24 AM

Good morning Dee

My goodness that was a quick response you had - I'm so pleased to hear you've made some progress which has helped you on your way.

Always nice to have feedback from members and pleased we were able to help you.

Kay

Manager

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