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Hi all as many of you know, i am a busy stay at home mommy. well, i am also a brownie leader for my daughter. there was one girl in my troop last year who we let in cause her mom was having a lot of problems (with drinking and depression) well, she hung herself yesterday and we are all devestated. she leaves behind an 8 year old little girl, a 5 year old little boy , and a husband and friends. I am just shocked that someone could just leave their kids. to top it off, her kids found her. my heart is breaking for that family. the mom was only 35. thanks for listening graceful |
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Graceful Sometimes things become so unbearable that the person just can't hang on and when it reaches that point, they sometimes just think everyone would just be better without them This is what is called distorted thinking I am sorry for the family and friends and I can feel your pain just from reading your e-mail I shall keep all the family and friends in my prayers Gigi |
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gigi thanks for writing back. it is very hard for all of us in the brownie troop. as mommies, we all hang out and when something like this happens, you are just in shock. when i had the task of telling the other mommies the horrible news, the one mom said is that the brown hair girl who also go to gymnastic class too? i said yep. so, it is very odd that someone you can be around you dont really know what is going on inside. i guess the saying is true, you dont' know what is behind closed doors. thanks again for writing back graceful |
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Graceful, my heart poors out to the family and to you and the kids. This was very botherdsome as I read this and it hit home with me. As Gigi said it was to much for her to bear. What Gigi said is 100% true. As I personaly have been there. I have tried many times to kill myself. Thankfully it wasn't my time and so I wasn't taken yet, 3 times I should of died, I made it by just by mins. and I do mean mins. One time that I can think of they said another 5 min and I would not of made it. Thank God I did. I can say that now, but at the time I was very angery and distrubed by it. I wish she would of been able to reach out and get teh help she needed at teh tiem, but she must of also been beyound that point, and as Gigi said had the distorted thinking. That little girl will need the trop and supprt now more then ever and I know you will be there for her, you are such a loveing careing person. Love & Hugs! Butterfly~Janice |
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Hi Janice, thanks for writing back. I went to the viewing today. it was the hardest time i ever in a funeral home. the casket was open, and she was a beautiful lady, with long hair. to see her like that just left so many questions that are not answered. I realize she was not thinking clearly because i am sure she did not realize the pain and sadness she would leave on her friends and family. 5 of us "brownie mommies" went today and took turns watching the little ones we have that are not in school. we each lasted about 5 to 7 minutes. it was too hard seeing someone so young and used to be so full of life. i cried in my friends arms and we saw her husband, now a widower, in his mid 30's. the hardest part is this is not natural. if she died in a car accident or cancer or something like that it woudl still be hard, but easier to digest. to take ones life, it is so hard for the rest of us to deal with.
thanks graceful
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hi janice and gigi
what i have learned from this is that i am always going to say hi to the lonely momomy on the playground. motherhood can be lonely, and if the person is sufering from derpression, must be even worse. so, i am always going to try to reach out because i never ever want to see this again.
Janice, I am so glad you were not sucessful, we are all important people to our friends and family (even if you don't feel important to yourself)
thanks again for helping me through a bad week graceful |
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I am so very sorry to hear this. I also don't understand why someone would leave their children. But, having family members with bipolar and depression, I can understand how these can lead a person to believe there is no other solution to what they are facing. My heart goes out to the family. I will send a prayer request to my circle. Many, many hugs. mrsgkr |
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mrs. gkr
thanks for the reply. funny how when something like this happens, it "rocks yorur world" and shakes you up a bit. you expect things to stop too because you are griving or upset, and you feel sort of strange walking about as if everthing is normal. i remember that feeling with my grandma when she died too, after i left her body, we got pizza, and i found it disturbing that people were laughing and jokign and enjoying themselves. (of course i did nto say antying, but i was thinking, HOW COULD THEY NOT KNOW MY LIFE COMPLETLY CHANGED?!) Yes, i did move on, and i know i will move on from this, i am not sure if i am making sense.
have a good weekend (what is left of it) hopefully if the weather holds up, we will go apple picking.. |
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hi all been a few days, went apple picking over the weekend and trying to be busy. my question, is it normal for me to feel down? i am going about my business, but it just feels weird to know that she is not with us on this earth. i have never lost a friend (only family) this has affected me differntly than family. not sure if it is the circumstance as to how she died or what. thanks for listening graceful |
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((((graceful)))) Yes I think it's quite normal to have the feelings you are having right now, and due to the fact of the way she died. And the fact that she was a friend of yours it is hard to deal with, she was so young. And you wish she would of reached out to soemone for help or to talked to. You are also thinking of the children involved, and feeling their loss. We are here for you hun. Love & hugs! Butterfly~Janice |
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Hi all thanks for your support for during a hard time. things are slowly getting back to normal for me (what ever normal is !) LOL i will have to admit, i dont' have another brownie meeting till the middle of October, so i will see how it goes...(i gotta remember to keep it together for the little girl) today my son goes to the doc for his check up, i go tomorrow to get results from mine. wish us luck graceful |
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| | From: Kasa721 | Sent: 9/28/2007 2:34 AM |
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Kübler-Ross model describes, in five discrete stages, the process by which people deal with grief and tragedy. Terminally ill patients are said to experience these stages. The model was introduced by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross in her 1969 book " On Death and Dying". The stages have become well-known as the "Five Stages of Grief". type=text/javascript>
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</SCRIPT> [edit] Enumeration of stages The stages are: - Denial: The initial stage: "It can't be happening."
- Anger: "Why ME? It's not fair?!" (either referring to God, oneself, or anybody perceived, rightly or wrongly, as "responsible")
- Bargaining: "Just let me live to see my son graduate."
- Depression: "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"
- Acceptance: "It's going to be OK."
Kübler-Ross originally applied these stages to any form of catastrophic personal loss (job, income, freedom). This also includes the death of a loved one and divorce. Kübler-Ross also claimed these steps do not necessarily come in order, nor are they all experienced by all patients, though she stated a person will always experience at least two. Others have noticed that any significant personal change can follow these stages. For example, experienced criminal defence attorneys are aware that defendants who are facing stiff sentences, yet have no defences or mitigating factors to lessen their sentences, often experience the stages. Accordingly, they must get to the acceptance stage before they are prepared to plead guilty. Additionally, the change in circumstances does not always have to be a negative one, just significant enough to cause a grief response to the loss (Scire, 2007). Accepting a new work position, for example, causes one to lose their routine, workplace friendships, familiar drive to work, even customary lunch sources. In popular culture these stages are commonly applied only to news of one's own impending death. The notion that to resolve grief they must all be followed, in order, is also common. In 1974, "The Handbook of Psychiatry" defined grief as "...the normal response to the loss of a loved one by death," and response to other kinds of losses were labelled "Pathological Depressive Reactions." This has become the predominant way for counsellors and professionals to approach grief, loss, tragedy and traumatic experiences.[1] [edit] Research on the theory A February 2007 study of bereaved individuals, from Yale University obtained some findings that were consistent with the five-stage theory and others that were inconsistent with it [2]. [edit] In popular culture - In the Marvel Comics series Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America, each of the five issues deals with a different stage of grief following the death of Captain America: Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, and Acceptance.
- In the TV show Frasier, when Frasier is unemployed, there is an episode where he cycles through the stages. (Season 6)
- In the TV cartoon show The Simpsons, the 5 stages were also shown in the episode "One Fish, Two Fish, Blowfish, Blue Fish", where Homer discovers he will most likely die after eating a poisonous fugu fish. Dr Julius Hbibert tells him the 5 stages of grief, and which Homer replies instantly with the according emotion after each one (although fear/depression and bargaining are a different way around).
- In the TV cartoon show Robot Chicken, the 5 stages are cited by a giraffe when he is sinking in quicksand, but by the time he gets to "acceptance", he hits the bottom.
- In the TV show Scrubs Dr Cox and J.D. become friendly with a long-term patient, Mrs. Wilks. When her condition worsens and her death becomes inevitable, they go through the 5 stages of grief and gets help from the hospitals grief counselor, Dr Hedrick, in the episode My Five Stages.
- In the TV show Dead Like Me, George Lass notes that dead people go through the same cycle, as she does moments after her death. Her acceptance takes a little longer to accomplish than the other four which she passes through rapidly for comedic effect.
- In the Comic series Cat and Girl, Cat announces to Girl that a new stage of grief, Baklava, has been introduced between Anger and Bargaining in issue 144.
- In the 1979 Film All That Jazz, stand-up performer Davis Newman, commenting on the impending/happening death of the main character, says, "This chick, man, without the sole benefit of dying herself, has broken down the process of dying into five stages: anger, denial, bargaining, depression and acceptance.
- In an episode of Reba, Van claims to go through the Five Stages of Grief after finding out his injury will not allow him to play pro football anymore. ("I went through denial, anger and unusually dry skin. But now I'm a new, moist man!")
- In the 2002 Film Life or Something Like It, after Prophet Jack tells Lanie Kerrigan that she will die within a week, she proceeds through the stages rather quickly. Prophet Jack takes notice of this and directly references the five stages of grief and how quickly she is moving through them.
- Anna, in Scene 14 of Paula Vogel's The Baltimore Waltz (1992) passes through, what are called six stages of the Ross model. Hope is the sixth stage. Anna, also adds a seventh stage: lust, where the illness of the body is fought with the health of the body. The health of the body in this instance manifests itself as sexual activity.
- Edward Albee's The Lady From Dubuque, and Michael Crisofer's The Shadowbox are noted in various academic journals and articles, and interviews, as influenced by the Ross model.
- Darren Hayes, an Australian musician, has a song called "Unlovable", which includes the lyric "Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, just a few stages of acceptance that it's really over" in reference to experiencing these five stages after ending a relationship.
[edit] References - Kubler-Ross, E (1973) On Death and Dying, Routledge, ISBN 0415040159
- Kubler-Ross, E (2005) On Grief and Grieving: Finding the Meaning of Grief Through the Five Stages of Loss, Simon & Schuster Ltd, ISBN 0743263448
- Scire, P (2007). "Applying Grief Stages to Organizational Change."
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| | From: Kasa721 | Sent: 9/28/2007 2:40 AM |
I posted this because what you are describing is normal in dealing with the loss of another person in your realm of friends/neighbors, etc. It is the most used model to describe the possible reactions one can have. The may come in differing order, and may skip around. You may not experience all of them. Some may visit you again. Greiving is a very personal process, and it is to be honored, respected, and given time to accomplish it's task - to put the loss behind us into the past (just as we put the abusive acts back into the past) while retaining the memory of the object-the person who died- (what we learned from the abusive act) in the here and now to help us deal with the present and the future. Children, yours and hers, will also go through this process in their own way. Support them, do not add words for them, let them say it for themselves. Help them feel ok with their emotions, and help them feel ok in supporting their friends. Be there, be aware. Don't minimize it and don't build it up bigger. The impressions they feel and learn now will last a lifetime. Kasa |
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| | From: JimJim | Sent: 10/2/2007 6:37 PM |
Jesus is LORD of my life. He makes life a lot easier. I have open acess to the LORD through prayer. | | | | | | | |
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