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Topic Q & A's : How do you decide whether to stay or go?
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From: MSN NicknameSilken2004  (Original Message)Sent: 9/7/2006 5:54 PM
Imagine, if you will, that you are in a committed relationship with someone who appears to suffer extensively from depressions that seem to grip your partner whenever there is work to be done or partnership obligations to be fulfilled.  In their depression, your partner indicates that they are thinking of suicide... They are in counselling but you are not able to speak with their counselor due to confidentiality constraints... It doesn't appear to be helping them...
 
While in their depression, your own life becomes hell on earth as you single-handedly try to keep pulling your partner over the obstacles his or her own depression appears to be putting in your collective way... It has been some time since you have been able to rely on them and you are growing tired of feeling alone within a relationship...
 
Do you stay?  Do you leave?  Do you try a "trial separation"? What do you do knowing that your partner just may make good on their threat to end their own life???  What do you feel someone in this situation should consider at a time like this?
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameTopmechanic2000Sent: 9/7/2006 7:37 PM
I get it.

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From: MSN NicknameLadyinKansas2Sent: 9/7/2006 7:43 PM
Hey Top,
 
      Could you expand a bit on what you mean when you say " we may be the reason that person is in that  state of depression"  I just am not sure what your saying here and dont want to assume anything.  Lord knows " assuming" has gotten me into more than one heated discussion.......LOL.  But seriously.......if you could expand just a bit on that I would appricate it......just so I know where your coming from.   Thanks hon!
 
                                            Lady

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From: MSN NicknameTopmechanic2000Sent: 9/7/2006 7:51 PM
Sure Lady, what I'm saying is perhaps "we" are doing something to cause that person to be depressed. Be it directly or indirectly. Maybe it's how we do our job, or how we live our life, or how we view things.
 
That answer your question?

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From: MSN NicknameLadyinKansas2Sent: 9/7/2006 7:56 PM
Ok......I see what your saying.  BUT......I wonder, how do we know it is something "we" are doing or not doing?  Is that why you say a seperation might be in order?  To figure these things out? 
  What about the suicidal thoughts?  What if this is a true deep down depression and "we" leaving puts them over the edge?
   Oh lord.......this could become a complicated subject....but I have a feeling it really could help someone see things from others perspectives.  Sometimes that is just what is needed.......seeing things through anothers eyes.

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From: MSN NicknameTopmechanic2000Sent: 9/7/2006 8:27 PM
lol...too late lady, it already has...lol
We don't know lady, that's the complexing thing about it. That's why you have to try something...nothing is a guarantee..that's why we "try" things.

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From: MSN NicknameLadyinKansas2Sent: 9/7/2006 9:51 PM
OK.....I see now what your saying even more clearly.  I am going to have to come back to this later this evening when the kiddos are gone for the night.  But I see.......I do see Top. 
 
  This is going to really be an interesting thread, like so many others Silk posts for us.  I am anxious to see what others have to say.

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From: MSN NicknameLOVEMUFFIN999Sent: 9/8/2006 3:11 PM
Well we all had to know I would put in my opinion on this one.  This post really caught my eye well simply because I am a depressed person.  I have been in the committed relationship and can maybe give some perspective here.  My ex-husband was a big contributor to my depression because I had to pretty much support his lazy ass.  He didn't like to work and every job he had, he would either quit without having a backup or get fired.  At this lowest point of my life, I even tried to kill myself because I thought that had to be easier than living with this man and seeing my life go to crap anyway.  So where Top says we can be the cause of the other person's depression, well I have to agree.  But the seeds of that depression have to be planted in the first place for that to really happen. 
 
Now I don't know what my ex-husband was feeling at the time because I don't think he wanted to worry me but I could tell it was hard for him to live with someone who was constantly depressed so I knew when we seperated it was not only the best thing for me but for him as well.  I was a poisoness personality then and I didn't even like myself so I can imagine the vibes I was giving off to other people.
 
I know there are people out there that use their depression as manipulation and it is so hard to gauge whether or not the depression is real.  I think this is where you need to really ask yourself just how well do you know this person?  You also have to ask yourself how long can you handle the situation?  Is it worth it for you to continue with this?  Becuase in the end, you have to take care of yourself first.
 
Now this part is for the depressed person.  Sometimes a relationship can be the worst thing that you can be in.  I just ended a realtionship because I was finding myself severely depressed and just thought it was not worth it.  So now I find myself back in therapy so I do not make this mistake again.  Once again, you have to think about yourself first.  This may sound selfish to some but it is so true.  To try to make other people happy is just going to make you miserable if you find you are not meeting their expectations.  So this is another area where the other person can be a cause of depression.  It is so hard to live up to that expectation whether it is real or imagined. It is also really hard for a depressed person to trust someone else with what we consider our dirty little secret.  I have a really hard time trying to explain that I am diagnosed with a major depression and still try to make them think I am normal.  They probably end up thinking I am a freak and crazy.  As soon as you say the word therapy, it just makes you look like you are crazy(or in your mind it does anyway)  People tend to look at you differently like you are a fragile piece of glass and they have to be very careful what they say to you.
 
So now that I have rambled on, should you stay or should you go?  Well let me put it to you this way.  If you have had enough and leave and that person does commit suicide, well there was nothing you could have done to stop them.  If you stay and the commit suicide, same thing.  A person that is serious about killing themselves will do it regardless of whether you are there or not.  And I know from personal experience the after effects are tragic.  No matter what, the guilt will be there and you will for the rest of your life question your actions no matter what they were.  If i was there, would they have done it?  If I had given them space, would they have done it?  I have learned that questioning yourself and letting the guilt eat at you will only poison you.  I have asked myself that question every day for the last 16 years and the answer is still the same.  In the end, it is their decision and you have no influence whatsoever over that person.  THEY CHOOSE, NOT YOU.
 
I don't know if this has helped or confused anyone even more but please feel free to ask anything you want.
 
Mish

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From: MSN NicknameTopmechanic2000Sent: 9/8/2006 6:46 PM
Actually Mish, I think it shed a whole new light on it, thanks for your imput.

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From: MSN NicknameTopmechanic2000Sent: 9/10/2006 10:40 AM
I'd like to add a couple of more things here if I could.
I know of someone that committed suicide..for what reason, no one to this day really knows. Those that knew him or were even close to him, be they family or friend, or even the doctor that saw him the night before, had any idea he planned on it. This is like some others that I have heard of, no one knew, nor saw any indication that he was going to commit ( what I call and consider ) the cowardly act.
The second comment is, what a method to get and keep someone's attention, and create their own personal pity party.
 
This is not to say that this may be the situation, rather, just my own thoughts on the matter.

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From: MSN NicknameBlack_Bear69Sent: 9/12/2006 12:09 AM
Maybe you need to be committed to be in a relationship, maybe an open relationship would be a good deal! If not just become a lesbian as if I was born a woman I would be!

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From: MSN NicknameLadyinKansas2Sent: 9/12/2006 7:22 PM
Thank you for your comments Black Bear but if you read the post you will see this is a very committed relationship. That is why the choice to stay or go is a very difficult one.  As for the "open relationship" you spoke of, well the same can be said there, it is a committed relationship and with those there is no room for that type of sharing. 
  Being a lesbian is not a choice someone makes.  It is something born within you, and for me, it was not there.
  But thanks for your input.
 
                                                         Lady

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From: MSN NicknameLadyinKansas2Sent: 9/12/2006 7:29 PM
I understand what your saying Top, and you would be totally right in most circumstances ( and for all I know you are completely right in this one also.....that is part of what I am working on figuring out). 
  I found out about his suicide plans only by accident.   I walked in on him writing a list of his property and where it would go in the event of his death, on the computer.  He very quickly closed it out, but I had seen enough that I was curious.  We had just had a huge fight so when I read this again later ( without his knowledge.....it was in our documents) I was furious!  The quick glance I gave it gave me the impression it was divorce he was planning for, not death.  So.....me being me.......I just told him " if this is how you want it then just do it and get it over with".....refering to him leaving! 
    It was the next night that the suicide letters, one a goodbye to a friend and one just a general goodbye, was written.  I found them, went screaming to Silk......scared the HELL outta me, and the next day confronted him with it.
   He told me later that the only thing that stopped him from following through with the plan, and it was a detailed plan, was my finding those letters and saying something. 
    So when I make reference to his saying " you would be better off without me" they are being made with the knowledge that I am aware of what he was thinking before, and the plan.
    Part of me does feel as though it is manipulation on his part, part of me doesnt.  He has recently increased, at his request, his therapy sessions, which makes me wonder which is really is. 
    Ok....gotta run for now.....will be back later.
 
             

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From: MSN NicknameLadyinKansas2Sent: 9/12/2006 8:31 PM
Sorry about the interuptioin........but hard to write with him and kids under feet.  LOL.....I will be on later to finish what I was posting before......and thanks for listening and your insight.

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From: bellaSent: 10/30/2006 2:53 AM
I have been on both sides of the fence on this one.  First of all, depression is a mental illness and can be treated through skilled  counselling and medication.  I wanted to be perfect in everything I did and when I wasn't, I sank into a depression that almost ended my life.  I went for counselling, (best thing I ever did) and was put on anti-depressants.  That was over 10 years ago.  I was married to a guy that thought women were inferior and once I got out of there, I started healing.  I have my ups and downs like anyone else but having someone there to help you back up really helps.  We need to realize we can't fix everything, sometimes that should be left to the professionals.  My last relationship was with an alcoholic, after 2 years I left!  After he quit drinking and had been sober for 6 months, I went back to give it another try.  Unfortunately I realized too late that his problems were still there and alot deeper than I knew.  He dragged me down further and further until I was ready to call it quits.  I wasn't strong enough to lift him up, and he dragged me down with him.  I knew he needed the kind of help I couldn't give him.  I also knew my heart wasn't there and that I was hurting him more by staying there.  I got my strength from a very good friend and couldn't have made it this far without him.  I am  out of there now, happy I did and haven't looked back.  I am stronger now than I ever have been and am finally at peace with myself.

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