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From: MSN NicknameTopmechanic2000  (Original Message)Sent: 9/7/2006 9:21 AM

He died doing what he loved.

Over the past week we have read or heard of the passing of Steve Irwin. We've even had a posting regarding his death in our room. Myself, like so many of you, have watched his programs with great interest. Many a time Ldy G and I have dined in the living room, while watching Steve Irwin do his thing. Like you, I too, have had many conversations regarding his untimely passing, and the situation that is now, a husbandless wife and fatherless children. Nobody likes to hear of the untimely death of an individual, especially if it is someone we knew or were familiar with.

Like any tragic event, there comes with it, speculations,  assumptions and opinions. Everyone having their own play on how this happened, or how if he'd done this, he may of avoided that. One might even say, and I know it has been said, that he was out of his element.

He was swimming with stingrays, the docile creatures that they are. If they are so docile, why do they have that deadly barb on the end of their tail. They wouldn't know a man from a minnow, if feels it's being threaten, it's going to get hostile.

Well, since he was a child, or so we're told, the man has handled, played with and studied dangerous animals, mammals, reptiles and arachnids. There is no doubt he has done a lot for the preservation of the animal kingdom and will be missed.

However, I say, the guy was living on borrowed time and got what he deserved.

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From: MSN NicknameCocopuff10001Sent: 9/7/2006 12:45 PM
My opinion is this.....everybody dies sometime, and even if he was engaging in behavior that seems a bit risky, it was a personal choice that he made and yes...even something that he appeared to enjoy doing.  And many people enjoyed watching him do it.  I don't have anything against the guy, I've seen him on television a couple of times and thought he was pretty darn brave in the profession he had chosen.  Lots of people engage in risky behavior and some meet that final end and some don't.  Race Car drivers for instance.  Or any one of us when WE get behind the wheel.  People that hike Mt. Everest.  Sky Divers.  I mean there are just risks in many things we all choose to do and yet we choose to do them anyway.  Isn't that what life is about? 
 
As far as the comment that this individual "got what he deserved", I disagree with the way its worded.  He didn't "deserve" to die any more than the rest of us, but when you participate in the activity he was participating in it just carries more risk.  You might even say it's to be expected.  I mean, many people are saddened by his death but how many people are sitting there saying "I just never expected this to happen", probably none because we can all see how his choices in profession led up to his death.  Anyway, that's just my two sense. 

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From: MSN Nickname鈥燭her脿Sent: 9/7/2006 1:00 PM
However, I say, the guy was living on borrowed time and got what he deserved.
I disagree with this statement whole heartedly.........I don't know the reason why, he was swimming with the sting rays.......but all I can say ........he had the courage to fullfill his passion for the animals & they will always be thankfull for that, even if people judged him for it. He did the extreme inorder to put impact for his cause!.....It like any other profession that is a high risk, firemen, police the soldiers fiting for our freedom, everyday they never know if it's the last..........Do you  think the firemen & policemen during 911 deserved what they got? They entered that building............. 
That just my opinion....we are at risk everyday just not a choice sometimes..

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From: MSN NicknameSilken2004Sent: 9/7/2006 1:29 PM
Whew Toppers.... you and George Carlin have a lot in common... As George likes to say in his "most chipper" voice... "People like it when you're topical!"... You brave soul you... lol...
 
I was saddened by the death of Mr. Irwin... The world could sure use a lot more people like him... He always presented with his own acceptance of the higher risks of his profession and he would likely be saying now... "Well... we knew this could happen...."
 
Since 1994, I have believed that when we come to earth, our souls have already chosen the length of time we are going to stay and how we will die... I believe that we come here because there is something we need to do or something we need to learn... Even babies that don't live very long have been known to bind families in ways they were not previously bonded... And in this vein, I believe that Mr. Irwin chose his path and his fate long before coming to earth...
 
I also believe that we make a mistake to measure by "outcome"... in this case, especially.  We do this... we measure by outcomes when we should be measuring by the quality of the journey itself... For example, two people meet, fall in love, marry, have 2.5 children, raise them and then decide to divorce... Instead of placing weight on the wonderful blessings their time together brought about, they show up in my office saying that they have "failed"... because they are measuring by outcome instead of by the quality of the process...
 
And... we measure by outcome more when there is a perception of failure or something gone wrong.  Take the case of the guy who contributes strongly to his business in his young years but at 40 begins to value other things and appears to his employers as now lacking value... He gets fired because they are measuring him by his current contributions rather than seeing the value of his contributions through the years... He walks away with his pink slip, angry with himself and his employers... calling himself a "failure"... Is he?
 
If Steve hadn't died from the stingray's barb and he had simply been injured, everyone would be saying he handled a dangerous situation well... or that he was lucky... Unfortunately, in this outcome, his wife and children are now husbandless and fatherless...
 
I hope SHE is able to measure by the quality of the time they had together and the baby he put in her life rather than to now walk through the rest of her years, angry with her husband for taking chances.... I wish her that...
 
And I hope he skids into heaven with his banana daiquiri in his hand, his hair askew and the barb from the stingray in his hand, screamin' "Whew... Wutta RUSH that life was!"
 
Silken
 

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From: MSN Nickname_路拢d每G氓m茂帽茫陇路_1Sent: 9/7/2006 9:24 PM
As the saying goes you do what you love and do it with gusto...
Steve Irwin did that, but he also shared with millions of people how to protect wildlife in it's own habitat..
He did take lots of risks by handling some of the more deadlier animals that were on land..His friend and partner of the show, said that Steve was agile on land and very smart, always thinking...But when he mixed water (sea or ocean) into his documentary then Steve was out of his element..He knew that Steve would die by the sea/ocean and he also said that Steve would be happy that he at least tried showing people the creatures of the deep..He was a conservationist first, husband and then father second...but he was doing what he loved to do and cared deeply about..Saving the wildlife!
 
We have lost 2 conservationists...Timothy Tredwell (The Grizzlyman) and Steve Irwin in the past couple years..Timothy was killed along with his g/f when they were attacked by a rogue grizzly at their camp..Steve was killed by a stingray in the ocean..What does this say?....One Timothy Tredwell should have known better than to stay among the grizzly..They are and will always be wild and wildthings will eventually turn on you, no matter how nice you are to them...You can't domesticate something "that" wild...
Steve on the other hand wanted to show everyone how wild these animals really were, how to deal with them on their own turf and to respect them and their habitat...He died because one of these wild animals thought he was getting a little to close and struck out in defence..
When you play with wildlife...Eventually you'll get bit or die!!!
 

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From: MSN NicknameLOVEMUFFIN999Sent: 9/8/2006 2:33 PM
Well Top,
 
I have to disagree with you on this one darlin.  No one asks to die no matter what type of carreer path they choose.  Yes I will admit there were times I would see him pissing off a deadly snake or croc and think "god it would be funny if they bit him!"  Now I know in my heart I was not serious.  This man was an educator and deserves respect.  We do not have to like him but he knew what he was doing.  What happened to him was a tragic accident and nothing more.  I actually in some ways consider him lucky because he died doing what he loved.  We should all be so lucky to go that way.
 
My heart does go out to his wife and two kids but I honestly think when she tells them about daddy, she will tell them that exact statement.  "Daddy may be gone and it hurts but at least he was doing what he loved"
 
Just something to think about.
 
Mish

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From: MSN NicknameratsolosmsnSent: 9/10/2006 11:09 PM
While surfing the tube today i came across the croc hunter doin what he does with crocs.  I was impressed to see that there was a time when he'd call it quits...  ie. a croc that snapped three of the lines and they only measured it and would not think of puttin the transmitter on it, it was a huge croc, too big for four men to pin.  He did like living on the edge but was not as cavalier about it as it may have come off.  Among his team were educated people who only added to his own knowledge.  I also feel sorry for his family...  To add, he was out of his element.  Sea creatures are vastly different than land bound beasts.  I think its a huge loss to the furthering of understanding animals.  Steve had a kindness about him that simply eminated, and i dont think it was all for media.  This much said, I don't think he got what he deserved, rather suffered an eventuallity to his lifestyle.  His contribution will long be remembered.  take it easy.

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