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 Message 1 of 305 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameJðdý  (Original Message)Sent: 3/1/2004 5:31 PM

                                                             

                                                    

                                                                  

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 Message 291 of 305 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameJðdýSent: 5/6/2007 1:04 PM
Do not *want*, Do or do not, but never simply want.

     And so you will continue existence on the Wheel of Life and Death
until you get off the merry-go-round.  Sleeping is like this, on a merry go
round speeding ever faster so we cling tightly for our safety.  For we know
that if we let go we will be thrown to the dirt and have to endure much
pain.  The fact of the matter is, Awakening, though indeed it is painful to
let go, the pain recedes quite quickly and we are Free form the dizziness
we experienced on the merry go round.

     It is very True that none are qualified to discern deficiencies in
others who have not discerned them in oneself.  Only those who have tread
that Path, Walked that Journey, Truly observed themselves, can Point out
pitfalls that lay before us, for no one else could know.  If one has not
observed what pitiful wretch one is, a controlled manipulated automaton,
wallowing in the pain of self-pity and self-admonition, one could not
related the Fires of Hell that Burn there.  But when one Truly Openly
Honestly looks into the Mirror of Truth and admits to himself that such
defilements must be wrenched out regardless of the pain, and wrenches them
out, THEN one can understand the Suffering that his Brethren endures.  THEN
can one understand what it is to wrench out such defilements.  THEN can one
Help another to do the same.  It is a rude Reckoning, but a Reckoning that
we all must face if we are to start Awakening.

     Sleeping, we Rationalize these seeming differences, for Sleeping we
would not be able to Recognize one from the other.  Yes, I harp on being
alert to our conditioned notions.  Not in pointing a finger at anyone but
rather to check and double check and triple check to make sure that some
Realization is not tainted by those conditioned notions.  If you will not
mind my frankness, your perception is very much still controlled and
manipulated by conditioned ideas and images and meanings.  You see, the
Spark of Awakening is just as obvious in you as the conditioned notions, so
you are on the brink of Truly Understanding.  For times ahead for those
Awakening, floundering still in a mid-way situation, will get increasingly
more difficult as we proceed into this current Age of Kali Yuga -- yet
another Dark Age.

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    0====[::::::::::> Sword of Truth <::::::::::]====0


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 Message 292 of 305 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameJðdýSent: 5/6/2007 1:05 PM
Though the physical form is not a concept but rather simply IS the
physical form, that which we think of as ourselves and the form is a
concept.  When there is a *you* and a *me*, a duality, there is the concept
of *you* and *me* a duality.  AS the Moment there is no *you* and no *me*
but rather whatever IS AS the Moment.  No concept of whatever we think of
ourselves or the form or anyone else or any other form, not projecting
these concepts into/onto whatever IS -- What-IS.  So when we reduce What-IS
to something mental, we reduce it to a mere concept.  I would offer not to
live life mentally, conceptually, but rather Live Life AS it IS this very
instant present Moment NOW.  Spontaneity has never been a shortcoming --
ask the little toddler Guru.

     Manifested form is not a concept but rather an aspect of physical
manifestation -- manifested form.  It is in our perception of this
manifested realm that we reduce it to a concept of this or that.  Whichever
our flavor of conditioned ideas and images and meanings and notions, that
will be the flavor of our concept.  So one concept of the very same
manifested form can be far afield of another concept of the very same
manifested form.  So concepts are confusing, to say nothing of the fact
that those concepts start wars and conflict and hatred and Suffering.  We
become quite dependant on these concepts as tools to understand that which
we can not understand.  We can understand the concept because we contrived
it, problem is that we think our particular concept IS Truth and Reality
when all it is actually is a concept of what we think is Truth and Reality.
So we cling to these concepts to the point that we will forfeit life itself
in the name of these concepts, yet we will not give up even a minor concept
to really Live Life.  Martyrs of our own conceptual cause, which is a Cause
of our Suffering.  Legends in our own mind.

     To BE AS the Moment is to BE without concepts, and stand in the water
and float in the water and wade in the water.  Thinking about it is a
concept, doing it without thinking about it is not because that is what is
being done AS the Moment.  Simply do it, or simply do not do it, but do not
think about it.  The past is but a concept of what was, as the future is
but a concept of what will be, yet we have no time to contrive a concept
this very instant Present Moment for it IS already AS it IS..... and gone
to the next anew Moment.

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    0====[::::::::::> Sword of Truth <::::::::::]====0


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 Message 293 of 305 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameJðdýSent: 5/7/2007 2:32 PM
The *me* is the contrivance of the Grand Trickster the conditioned
mind.  So when the physical apparatus no longer is a human being as we know
it, the *me* will also no longer be so no part of the *me* survives.  The
Grand Trickster has you while you are here, but not thereafter (so to
speak).  Nothing that is *you* survives.  For What-IS, Was, and will ever
BE.  The True Nature of Consciousness IS, Was, and will ever BE.  We call
our True Nature *our True Nature* when actually *our True Nature* is the
True Nature of all that IS, Was, and will ever BE.  So there is no such
thing as *survive* but rather IS, Was, and will ever BE.

     Oh the Grand Trickster makes sure that the *me* exists, Illusory as
the *me* is.  For the Grand Trickster makes sure that Illusion is supreme.
There can BE only One, for all that IS is One.  Yet there is nothing to
"take" nor anyone to "take" it, for we ARE what is to "take" so we have
been taken -- continuously flowing from Moment to Moment anew.

     Why else start Awakening or Realizing our True Nature?  To comfortably
make it through this physical existence without war and conflict and hate
and fear and greed and the other ills we have established in this physical
realm.  We are not here to destroy ourselves, though that is what it may
appear.  When we Realize our True Nature and manifest that True Nature in
every aspect of our life, we will indeed have what might be termed "Heaven
on Earth."  "When the Inner becomes the Outer, and the Outer becomes the
Inner, then you will know Heaven."

     As one thinketh, so is he.  It is not in not being involved, but
rather in mental psychological attachment that we must transcend.  And
though we can transcend emotion we Unfold Compassion by doing so, as
sympathy transcends to Empathy.  Help and Serve but another's Suffering is
no longer our Suffering, as another's misery is no longer our misery, as
another's ignorance is no longer our ignorance.  It was our Suffering and
our misery and our ignorance, but we let it go to Unfold Compassion and
Empathy.  Our example can be their Guide IF they have the Eyes to See
and/or the Ears to Hear, if not they will remain Blind and Deaf and we can
do nothing about it.

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    0====[::::::::::> Sword of Truth <::::::::::]====0


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 Message 294 of 305 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameJðdýSent: 5/13/2007 2:45 PM
Many things are very useful items indeed, and make existence quite
comfortable, but nothing worthy of fretting about or clinging to because it
will still be there after we are gone.  I am not saying that these items
are of no use, but rather that they are of use only, and not of any real
worth to us otherwise.  Use them and let it go at that.  It is when they
become worth more to us than our own Peace of mind, our own Awakening, that
they are defilements to our very BEing and corrupt our thinking and
behavior.  Such corruption lends itself to war and conflict and selfishness
and hatred and killing and Suffering.  We cling to our corrupted ways and
still speak out against war and conflict and selfishness and hatred and
killing and Suffering.  Is this not the ultimate hypocrisy?  Do you see
that we establish our own Suffering?  Is there not enough establishing our
Suffering that we have to add to it?  That is what I mean by 'nothing'.

     I would only add that Sleeping we Realize nothing and Awakening we
Realize a little more.  Once we have glimpsed True Awakening, THEN we can
See where we have been but not where we ARE.  Once we have glimpsed True
Awakening, THEN we can See where we ARE-NOT but not where we ARE.  Once we
have glimpsed True Awakening, when Sleeping we can See that we are not
Awakening and likewise when Awakening we can See that we are not Sleeping.
Yet, the very instant Moment that we *think* we are either or neither we
ARE Sleeping.  Sleeping is a 'mind thing' yet Awakening is a no-mind thing.

     As parents we teach and train and guide and help our offspring but
then we have to let the bird out of the cage and hope it will fly.  That
is, we must take the responsibility to provide for our offspring until they
can provide for themselves (which presumably our teaching and guidance has
helped), but their lives are not our lives.  As we must not be controlled
and manipulated by others, we too can not control and manipulate others.
"Do unto others as you would wish they do unto you."  I do not mean to
sound cold or non-caring, but life like anything else requires that we
establish priorities -- and I would say our First and Foremost priority is
to Wake-Up (as so aptly demanded).  So indeed Healing will be sent from
here, but it will be the energy to Wake-Up and not *sympathy*.

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 Message 295 of 305 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameJðdýSent: 5/13/2007 2:46 PM
 As long as we harbor our conditioned notions we will only find our
conditioned notion when we look Within.  For the "right" answers are not
right as opposed to wrong, but rather Right as in *correct*.  It is when we
Realize the confusion of our programmed modus operandi that we Realize that
we must do something to Clear our thinking.  For AS the Silence of mind we
Hear, AS the Void of thoughts we See, AS Awakening from the delusions of
our conditioned thinking and behavior we ARE our True Nature.

     There is always much talk about *practice*, in how to practice that
which we know to be so.  Some practices in some schools of thought are
quite elaborate and at time strenuous.  Given practices do help in many
ways, but are not the True Practice of the Wise Sages.  The True Practice
is to BE that which you have Realized to be so AFTER all conditioned ideas
and images and meanings and beliefs and notions are let go.  THEN our
practice is who we ARE, THEN our practice is our True Nature, BEing Life AS
it IS, Embracing What-IS each and every Moment anew.  So indeed, you have
set forth True Practice.  THEN our advice is True Practice based on our
True Nature and not on the conditioned notions we must let go of.  Helping
and Serving others is advice, but the Key is from where this advice is
founded.  For when the seed is planted on a rock of conditioned notions it
will not flourish and bear fruit of Wisdom, or planted with the thorny
bushes of conditioned notions it will be strangled out and assimilated to
the conditioned notions, yet when planted in the soil of True Practice it
will start Awakening.

     Indeed, Awakening itself is a Blessing and therefore Connects
Blessings in most aspects of our life.  An Affirmation that you are on the
Right Path.  Yet there is no need to hold onto anything, for each Moment is
anew.  Perhaps it is a stabilizing to do so but it may very well impede
progress, for nothing of the past is Real.  We can not cling to previous
attainments for we will miss that which is attainable AS the Present
Moment.  May I offer, remain steadfast AS your Awakening BEing that
Awakening each and every Moment from Moment to Moment and do not look back
to where you have been.  Do not look back and do not look forward, but
rather BE your True Nature of Awakening NOW and every NOW to come.  Then
your whole life will be a Blessing.  There is but one True Miracle, and
that Miracle is setting there reading this message.

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 Message 296 of 305 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameJðdýSent: 5/13/2007 2:48 PM
We must look for and find jobs and money and housing and all the
things needed to sustain ourselves.  Responding to the Moment is not
removing ourselves from every day life, it is doing what must be done AS
the Moment AT the Moment.  Going off to a Hermitage or Retreat is the easy
way of attaining Freedom, Awakening while still conducting our lives in the
every day rat race of society is a test of our metal, and a test whether
our Awakening is True.  Jesus said that we are in the world but must not be
of the world, Awaken while still in the world.

     Stuck?  Fear of becoming blank?  AS the Silence we Hear, AS the Void
we See, AS Awakening we ARE.  What makes you think that you can know the
experience of the next Moment until you Directly Experience it?  You are
stuck to your conditioned notions, for the future is no more real than the
past.  What conditioned notion have you let go of?  Truly Openly Honestly
Observe yourself and answer that question to yourself without projecting
any conditioned ideas or images or meanings into/onto that Observation.  IF
you can do THAT, you will have the solution to your dilemma.

     And perhaps you will Realize this Freedom.  But it takes a certain
effort.  An effort to rid yourself of the clutter that gets in the way of
Aloneness.  Get rid of the trees that hide the forest.  It is natural, we
are alone.  Until we are conditioned to the otherwise, we are perfectly
content in our Aloneness.  Look at the new born Guru, though it does
clamber for attention and nurturing, we can tell by looking into its eyes
that it knows that it is alone and loves every minute of it.  It is not
attached, not even to the mother until the need of familiarity sets in.  We
are conditioned to think we need this familiarity, hence when we do not
have it we feel lonely.  Our thinking is fogged and so we do not realize
that we were alone in the first place and that is the state we must get
back to.  The little Guru is closer to the Divine or Infinite that us
conditioned adults, for it just came from there.  Observe the little Guru,
and ponder your observations.  It is in Self-Realization, it is in
Self-Actualization, it is in Awakening.

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 Message 297 of 305 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameJðdýSent: 5/13/2007 2:48 PM
In Observing others we can see our own conditioned thinking and
behavior.  NOW, Observe the Observer!  For it is in the Observer Observing
the Observer Observing that the Observed and the Observer can BE One in the
same.  And AS that Moment that the Observer IS the Observed we can Realize
who we really ARE and who we have been conditioned to become.  THEN, since
who we ARE and what automatons we have become are so different, we can do
something about rectifying the hideous creature we See in the Mirror of
Truth.  IF we dare.

     What-IS, is that the unfolding human machine mind IS
conditioned/programmed -- no "possible" about it.  AND the computer machine
is the very same -- no "possible" about it.  The difference is that the
computer machine is BEing the automaton that it IS -- on the other hand,
the human machine is BEing the automaton that it IS-NOT.  For only in this
Recognition will we be able to Realize that it is in our cleverness that we
are able to construct such automatons for our well being and Freedom to
Awaken rather than being an extension of ourselves.

     Again, a sad commentary on humanity that it has evolved/involved for
close to a million years only to BE an automaton.  Our journey has been
long, yet where have we gotten?  We have changed a lot physically, but the
Grand Trickster keeps our mind in the primordial mud.

     Yes, "the times they are a chang'in", and they are not slow in
changing.  An indication of urgency in that it is time we let go of our
conditioned notions and beliefs and organizations that control and
manipulate our thinking and behavior, because it will get progressively
more difficult to do so before it gets any easier.  Due to the fact that
Life Cycles unfold so slowly, and we are part of that Life Cycle, it is not
so apparent that we are heading into a Dark Age, Kali Yuga.  Though a Dark
Age has never *prevented* Awakening, as the minor Dark Cycle during the
Salem days testifies, it makes Awakening more of a caution than an Open
Unfoldment. We can not *Save The World*, but we can Save ourselves from the
world.  Most will no doubt be able to Know what the inside of a sewer is.
Few, who Work on themselves, who get to know themselves, who continue to
Unfold The Awakening, will Realize what Heaven or Nirvana IS.

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From: MSN NicknameJðdýSent: 5/13/2007 2:49 PM
Ah, the only one who MUST Understand what you say is YOU.  Indeed we
strive to be understood and endeavor to communicate in an understandable
way, for it is only in such understanding that we or others can lend a hand
in aid.  But first WE must understand what we say.  For not always is what
we say in the words we speak but rather in the space between the words,
words are but Pointers.  As small as a penny might be, when held too close
to the eye it can be quite Blinding.

     Since the past and that which did not happen in the past is not Real
for us NOW, such considering is not worthy of our Attention.  A major
problem in humanity's thinking is that for the most part we regret all the
things we should have done so it leaves us no time to do what we should be
doing.  As long as we are anchored in the past, we will never be able to
fully experience the present.  And in the future we will be left with
regretting what we did not do NOW.  A vicious circle of regret and pain and
Suffering.

     For is not the mind our tool to fathom our experiences?  Such
filtering would be a sensoring of our experiences, and therefore a
misinterpretation of even intuitional up-welling that we were to Realize.
As long as there is still a shred of a conditioned notion that we cling to,
our perception and understanding will be colored by it and therefore
distorted.  Any distortion of What-IS is not Truth nor Reality, but rather
still yet another figment of our conditioned deluded mind.  An Illusion, as
it were.  As we let go of our conditioned notions we rationalize those
notions that we are too attached to in our attempts to avoid the pain of
discarding them.  As much of a burden as they are, as much a struggle as
they are, as much suffering as they are, we cling to these defilements as
though they were our very life source.  And indeed, they are the life as we
are conditioned to know it -- yet it is Death, the Death of Awakening.  The
Grand Trickster is the Slayer that must be Slain.  It is only when we reach
down into the pit of our very BEing and wrench the last fiber of our
conditioned fantasies from out our True Source that we can even hope to
start Awakening.  Awakening is indeed by degree, but more a degree of our
intent to rid ourselves of our conditioned notions than anything else.  And
we can not afford to beguile ourselves by our own initial degrees of
Awakening for our rationalizations are but anchors to keep us steadfast in
the Causes of our Suffering.

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From: MSN NicknameJðdýSent: 5/14/2007 2:35 PM
All is the Vital Energy of Consciousness, at various stages of
Evolution/Involution.  Whether it be matter or non-matter, it would be of
the same substance -- for in order for matter to BE it must also BE
non-matter, as in order for non-matter to BE it must also BE matter.  The
separation of the two are a product of the dualistic conditioned mind, for
All IS One as One IS All.  As matter exists so does non-matter, as
non-matter exists so does matter.  All IS One, as All ever was and ever
will BE.  A *before and after* assumes a Beginning and an End.  If there is
such a varmint, I have yet to located it.  The one can not beget the other
if the one IS the other.

     Ah, but have you Observed the Observer Observing the Observed AS the
Observer Observed.  You see, we can not use the same criteria for Observing
another as we do Observing ourselves.  Observing another there is an other,
yet in Observing ourselves we must Observe ourselves AS ourselves and not
as an other Observing.  Self Observation is always useful and helpful in
Working on ourselves, but when we Observe ourselves as the Observer AND the
Observed as One the result is an Open Honest Introspection of who we are
and who we have become.  Dwelling AS that Introspection will reveal the
means by which we can go from who we have become back to who we are.  It is
to "know thyself."

     AS the Present, AS the Moment, there is only What-IS at hand.  To
embrace the present Moment anew we can not project anything into/onto that
Direct Experience.  Is not a belief a projection of something we *think* is
so?  We did not acquire a belief while AS the Present Moment for each
Moment is anew, we acquired it AS a past Moment and we cling to it trying
to carry it forward into the Present Moment.

     Sleeping is most chaotic and contradictory and you Recognize it as you
are Awakening.  Those who see the change in you will always try to beguile
or trick you to doubt your own Unfolding Awakening.  It is the nature of
Sleep, misery likes company.  Awakening is a Solitary Journey, and in the
conditioned mind of the Sleeping it sets you apart from them.  Expect
rejection for you are pulling away from the games of the Sleeping in your
Awakening.

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From: MSN NicknameJðdýSent: 6/10/2007 1:03 PM
Alas, there is no real *Mission* other than *Light*.  *Light* as in
*Waking-Up* or *Opening-The-Eyes* or *Awakening* or *Enlightenment* or
*Illumination* or whatever one would like to call that *AHA* that happens
when one Realized something that is Fact or True or So.  We must adhere to
Universal Brotherhood of All Mankind and Pursue the Unfoldment of Pure
Inner Consciousness.  We are here to Illuminate, for There is No Religion
or Organization Higher than Truth......  It is in your own personal
relationship with The Divine Source of Consciousness that Truth is
Realized.  That which you Live after all of the talk is done...... is your
own personal Inner Consciousness Within Manifesting Without.

     "Spiritual knowledge" is intelligence, Spiritual Unfolding is
Awakening.  To become intelligent we must learn something new each day, but
to become Wise we must forget something we have leaned each day.  We must
gather knowledge to better "know thyself", but the knowledge is of little
use and so we let it go upon knowing ourselves.  For it is in the knowledge
of oneself that is the Key to Awakening.  When we lose our conditioned
knowledge we find the knowledge of ourselves.

     What good is having a tool in your toolbox rusting away because it can
not be used?  On the other hand, when you start Awakening, you will know
yourself and would not need anyone to tell you of it.  So I would say that
the first step is getting on the Path of Awakening.

     The intricate workings of Karma are very involved, and involves much
more than just your particular situation.  This we also Realized once
Awakening.  The Cause of our Karma is not nearly as important as the Cause
of our Suffering.  In each incarnation we must deal with the Causes of our
Suffering and let Karma work out as it must.  For in rectifying or
releasing ourselves from the Causes of our Suffering, we are placed in a
very good position to work with the Causes of our Karma.  And the root
Cause of our Suffering is our conditioned ideas and images and meanings and
notions of all sorts.  And so to wrench the Cause of our Suffering out at
the root must be our first undertaking.  THEN there is only the Moment to
be concerned with.  As it is only AS the Moment that we can Truly
Understand and BE what that Moment blesses us with.

     At times, one sees many attractive things along the road and one
stops, enjoys the beauty, gets distracted, and forgets one's original
intention -- to reach that Awakening.  At times, one meets many difficult
obstacles and problems, which one feels discouraged and thus, one has great
doubts and wants to return to the starting location, or even decides to
take another road, another short-cut, because others eloquently say that
there are easier and quicker roads to go there.

     So, whether it is the Causes of our Karma or the Causes of our
Suffering or the Causes of our Blindness and lack of Awakening or Insights
to better prosper in this social setting, our first step is Waking-Up. This
is where we all must start.

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From: MSN NicknameJðdýSent: 6/10/2007 1:03 PM
This is the Western proverb, is it not?  "All roads lead to Rome."
Depending on the context, that proverb is applicable in many cases.
However, it is not applicable in the context of the Path of Awakening.  I
would rather use this analogy: there is only one road leading to one
Awakening.  However, the road is very long, tortuous, with many traps,
obstacles and barriers, both self-made and natural.  Following that road,
one might use different techniques and different means to accelerate, to
overcome the barriers, to check and recheck for direction/orientation.  So,
there are many Routes we take along that One Path of Awakening.

    Think not, consider not, BE you.  When your thinking and behavior is
due to the likes and dislikes of others, then you are controlled and
manipulated by them.  That even many misunderstand or misinterpret our
thinking and behavior is of little importance as long as we Realize that we
are simply being a Loving Caring Sharing Helping person.  The thoughts of
deceit and ulterior intent of our actions by others is simply them
revealing their own way of thinking.  They point the finger so as to
distract attention from their own deceitful selfish intentions.  We must BE
Openly and Honestly who we ARE, and when we are Crucified for it we must
Realize that it comes with the territory of Awakening.  And we can not
allow such misunderstandings and misinterpretations to get in the way of
our Awakening.  Though a million condemn us, our *Random Acts of Kindness*
may Save just one person.  And the Salvation of that one person is worth
the condemnation of billions.

     Out of adversity grows the very seeds of Awakening.  The awesome
energy of adversity, when used to further work on our own Awakening gives
awesome results -- as proven many times over is some Zen practices.  It is
not in *how* you exist in this physical manifestation, but rather in that
you DO exist in this physical manifestation.  BE that existence, BE you.

     Yes, we are strangers in a strange land, for it is the land of
Sleeping and we are Awakening.  First we must Save ourselves, then we must
help others to Save themselves also.  THEN it will not be a strange land to
us and we will not be strangers here.  We must BE ourselves and BE the
example that others should BE.  By Saving ourselves by BEing ourselves, by
BEing our Awakening, and that example helps just one other Save themselves,
though the rest of the world "goes to hell in a hand basket", we have
helped to *Save the World*.  Not a minor responsibility, I would say, for
those Awakening.  But a responsibility that must be undertaken.

     When you get to where you *were as newborns* you will remember that
your Journey can *Continue* Unfolding from that point.  Which would mean
that you are getting close to where you once *were* and are about to
*Continue* Unfolding your Awakening.  We work our butt off just to get to
where we were before, but then................ aha, it is all *down hill*
and Unfolds so Beautifully and easily.  We are always wondering how we
could have been so stupid.

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From: MSN NicknameJðdýSent: 6/10/2007 1:04 PM
Awakening IS digging and finding these ways that we are controlled and
manipulated by our toxic conditioned thinking and behavior.  Awakening
would be less rare if we would put forth the effort and struggle with our
social conditioning instead of apathetically sitting back and satisfying
ourselves with the conditioned notion that "it is too much work."

     May I offer, that it is not Recognized IF we *think* there is nothing
to be done about it.  For it is so horrid a Recognition that we would be
forced by our own Recognition to discard it.  When we Truly see ourselves
in the Mirror of Truth as the automatons that we are, for the worthless
piles that conditioned thinking and behavior has made of us, we either run
and hide in our Sleep or we face our delusions and struggle to discard them
(depending not on *choice* but rather on our degree of conditioned
thinking).  For AS Awakening we Realize that there is no other choice but
to discard the Veils that hide our Divine Awakening from its Unfolding.

     To try to change the world is folly, for the world will not change
until humanity changes itself individually by Waking-Up.  Then indeed, the
world will change individual by individual -- and I dare say, no other way.

     It is not about renouncing the world, it is about renouncing
conditioned thinking and behavior.  Renounciants are no better off than the
Sleeping for they have only substituted one belief system for another.  We
must be IN the world and interact with it daily, but what we must not do is
buy into the conditioned thinking that establishes our *bond* OF (or
attachment to) the world.  So we do not discard the world, but rather our
attachment to it.  We do not discard our participation IN the world, but
rather our acknowledgement OF its worth.

     We must do this when/as conditioned notions are removed from our
Experience of this very present Moment.  For nothing else is Real.  It is
all about what is Real, and not what we *think* is right or wrong or good
or bad or evil or righteous or past or future.  It is about NOW.  It is
about Awakening.

     We must *shed* or discard our conditioned thinking and the beliefs
that control and manipulate our perception of both the world be interact
with continually and our ability to see ourselves for who and what we
really are.

     Others who are also Awakening will Understand precisely what you are
going through and what hurdles you face along with the pain because they
have Directly Experienced it themselves -- the old *been there done that*.
And they can point to these problems and even make suggestions BUT no one
Saves us but ourselves, no one can and no one may -- others can point to
the Path, but we ourselves must Walk the Way.

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From: MSN NicknameJðdýSent: 6/10/2007 1:05 PM
But this "Freedom", what is Freedom?  Surely Freedom is not "from"
something.  For where does this Freedom take us *to*?  Is the *cure* any
less of a "tether" than the *disease*?  Indeed, the Hunger for Freedom IS
our True Nature.  But we can not *learn* or *acquire* or *attain* Freedom
through any belief system.  For the more we "seek" Freedom, the further
from us Freedom will be.  Freedom is not a *study* or *practice*, but
rather a state of BEing.  We can not *know* Freedom any more than we can
*have* Freedom, for Freedom IS dwelling AS the very present instant Moment
from Moment to Moment totally stripped of our conditioned ideas and images
and meanings.  Embracing each Moment anew projecting no conditioned notions
into/onto it and Living it AS it IS.  And so we ARE Freedom, for we can
only Realize Freedom as we can only BE Freedom.  When we Openly and
Honestly Observe the fallacies of our conditioned thinking and behavior,
and discard the clinging to those Illusions, then and only then can we BE
Free -- BE Freedom.  For you see, no one Saves us but ourselves, no one can
and no one may, others can Point to the Path, but we ourselves must Walk
the Way.

     THIS is the Freedom to BE at any given Moment.  Clinging to nor
identifying with anything other than what is happening AS the Moment.  So,
fear being the identification with that which is known, when the know is
not identified with there can be no fear.

     "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose", says a line
from the lyrics of a song.  This embodies the essence of Freedom, nothing
left to let go, no conditioned ideas and images and meanings left to let
go.  Not as much a *freedom from* as a *Freedom to BE* who we ARE.  As we
cling to these conditioned notions and identify with them they control and
manipulate our thinking and behavior.  Enslaved by that which we cling to,
enslaved by that which we think.  When we Still the mind we are thought
Free, and can dwell AS this Freedom that is Silence.  AS this Silence, AS
this Freedom, the doer and the deed done are one in the same as the
observer and the observed are one in the same.  Nothing left to lose,
nothing left to let go, no ideas and images and meanings left to project,
nothing left to be Free from, only the state of BEing who we ARE and
What-IS.

     Though this state of BEing IS Freedom, Freedom is just another word
for this state of BEing so we can not cling to Freedom any more than we can
cling to our conditioned notions.  When we lose the contents of that which
we know, when we lose the contents of our conditioned mind, we lose
ourselves and therefore can BE the Freedom that we ARE.  To lose ourselves
we ARE ourSelf and start Awakening.  When we establish Freedom as a goal we
have missed the Point and is then just another word to lose.

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From: MSN NicknameJðdýSent: 6/10/2007 1:06 PM
Consciousness, as it is understood throughout our life, from a social
or even a psychological perspective, is simply the mental ability of being
alive.  We can think, we can plan, we can perceive, therefore we are
conscious.  Yet, there is an overt consciousness (that I just described)
and an Inner Consciousness (sometimes called Spiritual Consciousness).  It
is the Inner Consciousness that I wish to impart -- the Consciousness
Within.  So, naturally, I say "Go Within INto Consciousness."  And note
that I said IN-to, meaning Dwelling AS that Inner Consciousness.  For it is
only there that one can BE in the very present Moment NOW.

     Terminology can be a major stumbling block to anyone Truly
Understanding these terms.  For they are but words, words as Pointers to
the Real Meaning behind and between the words.  So as you study, may I
offer that you not get bogged down with the words but rather understanding
what the words Point to.

     That aside, we must BE Consciousness in order to Truly Understand it.
To do that, we must Silence the mind of mental thought chatter generally
accomplished by meditation.  For we can not Directly Experience Inner
Consciousness until the mind is Silent of thoughts, as Inner Consciousness
is the attunement or attention to What-IS this very instant Moment without
projecting any ideas and images and meanings into/onto that Moment.

     Enlightenment should not be a concern relative to humanness, for that
which we consider both are nothing more than our own projected conditioned
thinking.  What is Enlightenment?  What is human?  Neither can be defined
nor explained, both can only be Directly Experienced to Realize the Truth
of either and both.  When we Dwell AS our True Nature, our undefiled
unconditioned un-programmed uncontrolled un-manipulated state of BEing, we
can Truly Understand and BE Enlightenment and Truly Understand and BE
Humanness.  This is disassociation with all that which defiles our True
Nature, for that which we identify or associate ourselves with is what we
think we are.  Would not identifying or associating ourselves with
Illusion, conditioned notions of this and that, make us any better off than
the Illusion?  We indeed will always be human regardless of our varied
states of Enlightenment, yet we do not realize it because we are
conditioned programmed robots controlled and manipulated by the very
notions we contrive about Enlightenment and Humanness.

     Is the "many paths" statements by many Wise Sages and Icons of various
religions a misunderstanding in modern times?  Was their meaning of "paths"
the same then as ours is now?  Could they have meant "many routes" leading
to One Path?

     That is, Awakening is the Choiceless Mindless Motiveless response to
What-IS in the very present Moment from Moment to Moment without projecting
our likes and dislikes into the Direct Experience of that Moment.  Yet
there is but The Path and The Awakening and The Truth and The Reality and
The What-IS.  *There can BE only One*!

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From: BluehawkSent: 2/21/2008 3:39 PM
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