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| | From:  rensielk (Original Message) | Sent: 12/26/2007 6:47 PM |
America's Killer Diet, Parts 1-5, roughly 8.5 min each.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e4yoqTODYE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3dZ1jhJnNs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpzSA-xOags
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0nEQC1iUhg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Ix3fArCMY
I just found this yesterday. HSWC has mentioned seeing this program on CNN. They talk about how Americans average a dangerous 10% of their calories from soybean oil alone. The use of refined sugar is like 178 pounds a year per person, in addition to all kinds of white flour and processed food.
My question is: why consume any of this stuff? I'm sure junk food would be healthier if it wasn't made with PUFA oils, but it would be better still if it wasn't such a large part of people's diets at all. Why not just eat natural unrefined foods? |
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| Well, in part I am doing it to verify my notions, but also the fruit is more expensive and tastes awful. Even when I go to the local "health food store," the fruit is usually not very good. The "junk food" that is rich in SFAs always tastes very good, on the other hand. Now, if your claims against flour and sugar was accurate, when should I experience some health problems? When should I get fat? I'm about 5'9," 140 pounds, in my early 40s. |
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I've found frozen mangos very cheap (about $1.67 a pound at Wal-Mart). Frozen pineapples are also cheap. They taste very good. I eat unheated honey several times a day. Most honey is highly processed. Look in the health food store for Really Raw Honey or YS Farms Honey, or some groceries have Busy Bee Honey Spread. These are cheap and tastey sources of natural sugar. No fat, either.
As for why you can eat sugar and flour without problems, you are eating protein and saturated fat with them. Try drinking a half dozen Cokes a day, a quart of orange juice, eating hand fuls of jelly beans, M&Ms, hard candy, sweetened coffee/tea, and marshmallows on a empty stomach without other foods. Also, you don't eat a lot in general. If you're a man, you sound underweight (BMI 20.6 is thin for a woman).
I wouldn't eat refined sugar and flour, just as an experiment. There's enough evidence to say that they are deficient food. You have to make up the missing nutrients somewhere else, and that can be tough. Also, most of the flour in commercial "junk food" is probably enriched and/or bleached. I eat Lindt 85% or Hachez 88% dark chocolate. They have 4-5 g sugar per 40 g serving. I don't want a lot of sugar.
I don't eat grains, except for sprouted grain bread. If I was in the mood for cookies, I would make them myself with butter, coconut oil, honey, and Hodgson Mills flour (unbleached and unenriched). I used to like raw cookie dough... |
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"There's enough evidence to say that they are deficient food..."
This is the problem I have with several of your posts, that is, you make such a claim but don't actually cite the evidence. When I investigated such claims, all I found were "studies" that were clearly flawed, and in the USA at least, there are issues with iron and folic acid "fortification" of wheat flour. I hope someone, if not Bruce, is going to cite some evidence here, but I'm not going to waste time making the same points (in detail) that I have in other places on this site. |
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Caffeine and/or coffee have been labeled as "bad" for years, but in recent years some "experts" have been pointing out that the evidence does not bear this out. For example:
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/caffeine.shtml
One person also posted the following link, with no commentary (and so I'm including it here):
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080122101945.htm |
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| | | From: gos2u | Sent: 1/25/2008 6:51 AM |
HSWC wrote: "Caffeine and/or coffee have been labeled as 'bad' for years, but in recent years some 'experts' have been pointing out that the evidence does not bear this out." I don't know -- I think a lot depends on the person, and the rest depends on the principle that the dose is the poison. In my case, coffee is highly toxic, causing me to have murderous diarrhea and huge anal fistulae that make it excruciatingly painful to sit or s*it for weeks. But, on the other hand, that's only if I drink it habitually. Interestingly, when I drink coffee in moderation (<4 cups/week), it often seems to help reduce the symptoms of Crohn's disease, and seems to actually prevent diarrhea. I think that just about anyone who drinks coffee day in and day out is likely to see some sort of health consequences from that, just as you would if you dosed yourself with any drug a half dozen times or more every day. But as I have learned from personal experience, just because something is bad for you in excess doesn't mean it isn't harmless or perhaps even beneficial in some way, if taken in moderation. --- Gos "Nobody here but us heretics..." |
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Caffiene is very neuroprotective. I'll come up with a reference later since I am on the run, but there have been studies showing that groups of people who consume the largest amounts of caffienated coffee have lower incidences of Parkinson's and Alzheimer's Disease.
They have also done placebo based trials such as decaf coffee, no coffee, and caffienated coffee. |
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Why foods like white flour need to be fortified? Because they are deficient and cause deficiency diseases when the diet is heavily based on them. If you eat small amounts of them, then you may not see this problem, which is what you appear to be doing. As I said before, I suggest that you eat these foods at around 75-80% of your calorie intake and then get back to us.
You can quote all the studies you want saying caffeine is good or sugar is good, but let's see you eat those foods at 75% of calories, while I eat cooked meat at 75% of my calories, and we will see who lives the longest. I amsure you will accept this simple challenge, if you think they are not deficient foods. |
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