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Debate Board : Opinion or Slander?
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From: MSN Nickname_Blackhose_Spikedheels_  (Original Message)Sent: 3/15/2007 5:28 PM
 
There are rules that apply to a good debate..Respecting each others views and not attacking someone because of them, are just a couple.
 
We are all entitled to our own opinions...
 
That being said...
 
Where is the line between personal 'opinion' and 'slander'?
 
ie: If I were to call "Mary" a b****...based on my personal experience with her, is that opinion, or slander?
 
 
*(To protect the innocent, and cover my butt, no real people were used in presenting this question)..
 
 
 


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From: MSN Nickname®niceguy�?/nobr>Sent: 3/15/2007 8:55 PM
That is your opinion.  I might not think Mary is a b****.

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From: MSN Nickname«¤Ťu§ħ¥¤»�?/nobr>Sent: 3/16/2007 2:56 AM
Good question Sheros
 
There are rules that apply to a good debate..Respecting each others views and not attacking someone because of them, are just a couple.
 
We are all entitled to our own opinions...
 
I agree 110%
 
Now I can only speak for myself here - and if I am not too keen on someone - I dont usually give my opinion in that way unless I know the person I am telling well enough -- and we would call it an 'opinion' coz even tho I may think this person is a b***h - I wouldnt expect that person I told to feel the same way. Whatever happened between me and them is MY business
 
It is a fine line between slander and opinion when you think of it - coz some people are too silly to make up their own minds about others and just listen to what people say  - thats prolly why I wouldnt give my opinion unless I know them well
 
This is a hard one
 
 
 
 

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From: MSN Nickname«¤Ťu§ħ¥¤»�?/nobr>Sent: 3/16/2007 3:02 AM
.Respecting each others views and not attacking someone because of them, are just a couple
 
I would call that 'narrow minded' people that do that

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From: MSN Nickname_Blackhose_Spikedheels_Sent: 3/16/2007 8:28 AM
I hope you know this is hypothetical..
 
I realize you may not think she is Joe....But obviously I know she is, based on something nasty that she has done to me...therefore...it is no longer just my opinion....it is fact...lol..
 
I guess what I'm trying to get clear in my head (without googling the definition)...what constitutes slander....Is it simply a public statement of personal opinion? Not based on fact...
 
We can basically say whatever we want to someone privately...We can call them, and accuse them of the worst things imaginable...But as soon as we say it in public, it is slander? 
 
Tushy...
 
A debate to me is the free and open exchange of ideas and thoughts...There is no right or wrong...just differences...The best part about them is that there is always the chance that someone elses opinion may open your eyes to something you have never considered before...and give you a totally different perspective...or at the very least..a little more insight..When we become close-minded and resistant to at least 'listening' to others, we stop growing.
 
A debate has nothing to do with arguing sides..it's about expressing views...They shouldn't turn into raging battles....I think the reason for the narrow-mindedness is mostly fear...Fear of change...fear that something you've always believed in may not be what you thought it was...Change makes a lot of people uncomfortable..
 
 

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From: MSN Nickname«¤Ťu§ħ¥¤»�?/nobr>Sent: 3/16/2007 8:39 AM
Yep I am the same as you Sheros how you think and yet again I agree with you  
listening to other peoples views can open your eyes to things you may not have thought of - which has happened to me numerous times in convos -- as I have said - I do love learning -- and yep growing to be a better person and understanding other people - even if their views are different to mine
 
As for slander - well the person should be able to say what they wanna say - as I said up above - if the other person is stupid enough just to accept that as fact then -- more fool them
 
well thats how I look at it and i must admit - I am not too keen on pple that think like that - just jump on bandwagons without doing some homework themselves - I call them 'fish' - coz they got no backbone - just follow people like sheep -- baaaaaaaaaa  

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From: MSN Nickname«¤Ťu§ħ¥¤»�?/nobr>Sent: 3/16/2007 8:48 AM
what constitutes slander....Is it simply a public statement of personal opinion? Not based on fact...
 
Yep

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From: MSN Nickname®niceguy�?/nobr>Sent: 3/16/2007 10:36 PM
I realize you may not think she is Joe....But obviously I know she is, based on something nasty that she has done to me...therefore...it is no longer just my opinion....it is fact...lol..
 
Sheros, it is STILL just your opinion.  Someone else, even knowing what Mary did to you, still might not think Mary is a b****.  For instance they could think it was YOUR fault for what Mary did to you, or that you had it coming.  I think for something to be slanderous it has to be said as fact, in public, and it has to be damaging to that person.  Now, if you were to make a damaging statement in public about Mary, and added the phrase 'in my opinion'... that would not be slander.

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From: MSN Nickname_Blackhose_Spikedheels_Sent: 3/16/2007 10:58 PM
So as long as I make the disclaimer "in my opinion" I can't be held liable?
 
Somehow it doesn't sound right...If you do something nasty, and it can be proven that you did it...How can you then come forward and charge someone with slander for saying it out loud?
 
...or maybe that's the key...maybe slander is something that is said without concrete proof...
 

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From: MSN Nickname«¤Ťu§ħ¥¤»�?/nobr>Sent: 3/17/2007 12:52 AM
I agree with Joe there -- if something is said in public and you say its my opinion - its not slander
 
Slander is when the next person goes and preaches it to the world and it comes back and hurts that person

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From: JecakiasSent: 3/17/2007 2:24 PM
Ok, so here is the definitions of opinion and slander... as you can see an opinion is personal view and slander is an intent to deflame someone...
 
o·pin·ion      /əˈpɪnyən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-pin-yuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.
4. Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6. a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven't much of an opinion of him.

[Origin: 1250�?300; ME < OF < L opīniōn- (s. of opīniō), deriv. of opīnārī to opine]
 
 
slan·der      /ˈslændər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[slan-der] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. defamation; calumny: rumors full of slander.
2. a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name.
3. Law. defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing, pictures, etc.
–verb (used with object)
4. to utter slander against; defame.
–verb (used without object)
5. to utter or circulate slander.

[Origin: 1250�?300; (n.) ME s(c)laundre < AF esclaundre, OF esclandre, alter. of escandle < LL scandalum cause of offense, snare (see scandal); (v.) ME s(c)laundren to cause to lapse morally, bring to disgrace, discredit, defame < OF esclandrer, deriv. of esclandre]

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