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Craft Business : Scrollin, craft shows and the IRS
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From: MSN Nickname_joellama_  (Original Message)Sent: 1/7/2003 5:29 PM
I know it's probably different in each state, but at what point do you start claiming income made at craft shows.  Any general information will help, or if anyone is in Oklahoma maybe you could provide some more specific information.
 
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joellama


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From: MSN NicknameOldGrizSent: 1/7/2003 5:56 PM
Just my 2 cents,,, but if you are making money selling your goods at craft shows you should be paying income tax on the income... remember that if you do the bookkeeping properly you will have an accurate account of all the money you spent to create the goods you sell.  You are also allowed to deduct depreciation on your tools as well as expenses for phone, advertising, utilities, ect.
I would suggest getting a good piece of tax software to do this if you don't use an accountant... I use TurboTax Home and Small Business and it does a wonderful job of questioning you about the deductions you can take and helping you figure them out.
Tom

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From: MSN NicknameshanklessawSent: 1/8/2003 1:49 AM
Keep a "log" on the vehicle's milage (the one you will use for craft shows and you can deduct the milage that way. If you are like most crafters and keep good records, your business will never make much if any. Be careful on amortizing off your tools. You can make a one time write off on about anything that you would purchace. Remember if you write something off, it "belongs" to uncle and you have to report its sale as income. You can't just quit reporting until you "sell" all you wrote off.

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From: HummerSent: 1/8/2003 5:45 AM
I sell at shows, through a catalog, and from my shop. I had to get a business license, and I have to pay sales tax to the IRS quarterly Even if I didn't have any income for the last reporting period, I still have to send in a statement telling them I had no income for that period.
Oct-Dec is my biggest sales quarter. It is a hassle to keep track of, but the sales tax never amounts to a whole lot, and it is a lot cheaper to report it up front than to let it go and the IRS find it on their own. 
Keep accurate records of what you make, and also of what you spend. And be sure to keep all your receipts. Almost everything you buy is tax deductible, and as long as you can prove the expense, you will be fine. The best advice is "Don't mess with the IRS."
I live in Missouri, so the tax laws may be a little different than Oklahoma's are, but I doubt it is much different.
I figure as long as I give my 10% to Jesus and however much I am supposed to give Uncle Sam, I won't ever get in trouble.
Bottom line, if you make income, give Uncle Sam his share up front. It is a lot cheaper in the long run.
 
Hummer

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From: GaryBrowningSent: 1/8/2003 11:55 AM
Hello Joellama,
 As far as my craft show experience I have done a few and they work on the honor system.Some give you a form from the state but most leave it up to the booth members to do themselves.Its a form that you just write in how much you made in selling over the event and what your tax is to the state.You can send the check in the mail with the form and its all taken care of.Kind of like a one time thing.I guess you can organize them and group report them all together if you do a lot of shows.I would rather fill them out and take care of them as I do them because I dont do as many shows.
Does anyone know if you can print out online forms to send in to the different states?This would be for craft show events.
 If you start getting into the tax side of things look into deductions on working out of your home.Each area differs but you may get a deduction there if you are wanting to start up a little side buisness.
Gary Browning

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From: mijsmadaSent: 1/8/2003 4:51 PM
I have been self-employed (lawn mowing contractor) for more than 20 years.   To my knowledge, in terms of taxes the craft business does not differ from the mowing business in any way.  You report income and expenses on IRS form 1040, Schedule C.  After you complete your 1040, you then fill out state and local tax forms, using figures from your 1040.   Which is to say, tax reporting starts with federal, not state, forms.
 
Something else:  In the craft business, unless sales are absolutely booming, it's quite easy to show yourself deep in the red every year.  Depreciate the new table saw, write off serious portions of household  taxes, insurance, heat, light, and on and on ("business use of home"), write off the new Caddy ("vehicle expense"), and so on and on.  Against what most of us sell, it is very easy on paper to charge a mountain of expense, and so reduce tax liability elsewhere.
 
Don't do it.  It's a no-no.
 
Jim Adams

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From: MSN NicknamescrollsawgrannySent: 1/8/2003 6:58 PM
Don't do what? Charge sales tax or show all your
expense on your income tax form?
Mary

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From: LinsterSent: 1/10/2003 7:50 PM
Don't quote me on this, but I believe here in Taxachusetts you have to show a profit in 3 or 4 years out of 7 and I think you need 1 year of profit within the first 3 of those years.

If you don't make a profit in their allotted time, it is concidered a "hobby" and you can still make deductions, but only up to the dollar amount you make in sales. So in other words if you only make $1000 a year in sales but your expenses (nice new tools, etc..) cost you $1800, you can only deduct $1000 of those expenses. You may be able to cary any leftover to the next year but I'm not sure.

Best thing to do is call your local state/federal tax office and request information on starting a small business. You can also find some info on their websites that you can read/download.

Linster

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From: OllerSent: 1/10/2003 10:14 PM
Tom,
 
Does TurboTax Home and Small Business have a depreciation tool in it?  I was wondering whether to buy this one or if I need to step up into the Professional edition....
 
Sam

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From: MSN NicknameOldGrizSent: 1/11/2003 12:31 AM
Yes it does Sam..... been using it for both my primary business (web design and graphics arts) and my scrolling business.... it is great.
Tom

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