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Tips/Techniques : how do you finish your portraits
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From: MSN Nicknamefallingacorn0  (Original Message)Sent: 2/20/2008 8:12 AM
i'm using 1/4" baltic birch ply ordered from rockler for portraits. i'm not very satisfied with the way i've been finishing them. i've been sanding from 100 to 150 to 220 grain sandpaper after the piece is cut. then i spray with semi gloss deft. i've also soaked it in 50%blo and 50% paint thiner (i've also used mineral spirits or denatured alcohol maybe), followed by spraying it with semi gloss. after each coat i cut back with .0000 steel wool. i've been having troubles with blotchiness, i think from over sanding. also in some places lower plys start to discolor the piece. i want to get it right instead of trial and error:
so start to finish, from sanding to length of drying or curing, would anyone care to share their process for finishing a portrait on baltic birch?


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From: MSN Nicknametas2181Sent: 2/20/2008 2:36 PM
Sounds like you are over sanding if you are seeing the next ply showing through. I usually just presand with 180 or 220 grit prior to cutting anything. Would depend upon the quality of the original surface if I use anything more coarse. 
After cutting I use a butane torch for burning the fuzzies of the back of the piece and sand.  I lightly sand again using 220 grit on the front and back.
As far as the blotchiness, that sounds like you are applying a finish too soon and the blo isn't completely dry. I am assuming you are not using the water-based Deft but the regular oil-based over the oil.
If you are using a blo/mineral spirits on the piece once it is applied wipe off any excess and let dry at least 24 hours before applying any other finish, not only to let the oil dry but to let the mineral spirits completely evaporate.
I don't use steel wool because of the little metal fuzzies that catch in the piece, if I need to go over the finish I use the 3M finishing pads.
Maybe if you would elaborate a little more on your finishing procedure we can figure it out.
 
Tom
 

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From: SawToothSent: 2/20/2008 2:52 PM
Before applying pattern, I pre-sand w/120 or 150grit.  Then I apply self-adhesive 'shelf liner' from dollar store before applying the pattern... this stuff sticks just good enough to hold the pattern but not so much that I cannot remove the entire thing in 1 or 2 pieces without it pulling off delicate pieces and without need to soak it with mineral spirits (which ofen leaves a tacky layer of dissolved adhesive which requires a lot more sanding) .  If stack cutting (which I usually do cuz one piece of 1/8" plywood cuts too easily to control the blade.), I assemble the stack now and use packing tape to hold it together.  If cutting ornaments or other non-framed items, I use nails in several waste areas to hold the stack together tighter than tape at the edges can.
 
After cutting, it is difficult to sand much, but I do mildly sand, especially the backside, with 150 or 180 grit.  I file or sand the 'fuzzies' after burning off whatever I can from the backside.  I clear off the dust w/compressed air (cuz tack cloth catches too easily).  Then I apply stain, if I choose to stain... which is less than half the time... and I let it dry several hours or overnight cuz it's after midnight by now.
 
Then I apply 2-4 coats of clear acrylic or lacquer spray, letting it dry several hours (or overnight depending on time of night!) in between coats and a light 'scuff' sanding w/220 or higher on all coats except the last.  These last sandings are light and depend on how it feels to touch and how it looks on reflection in light.  I have enough coats when it feels and looks good, but it seems to be a minimum of 2 and usually 3-5 w/ avg of 4.
 
BTW, I only use semi-gloss spray, never gloss... it's my personal preference cuz semi-gloss can still look like wood and gloss looks more like plastic to me.  (IMHO, gloss is for things that will be handled a lot and will need wiping down... which doesn't describe 99.5% of our scrolling projects.)
 
Spence
 
PS  I don't think you should be sanding above 150-180 before applying the spray finish... 220 is too high... and I have no idea how to use steel wool on a fret type portrait without ruining the project by ripping out delicate pieces... I use sandpaper with a flat sanding block and I don't press down too hard on the cutting.

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From: MSN Nicknamefallingacorn0Sent: 2/20/2008 7:18 PM
i forgot to click "attach" for this previously. its from a free pattern i got from the scrollsawer.com site. the pattern is from L.S. Irish. it is an angel door hanger

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From: MSN Nicknamefallingacorn0Sent: 2/20/2008 7:20 PM
aargh i typed out my whole process before i sent the attachment. for some reason the post didn't get put on this thread. i have to work now, but when i get back i'll rewrite the darn thing. thanks all

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From: MSN Nicknamefallingacorn0Sent: 2/21/2008 10:59 AM
ok so what i've been doing to finish i've gotten from whatever i've been able to read online. i'm a total noob at this.
i sand the piece sometimes before or sometimes after i cut. it seems from the articles and posts i've been reading that i've been overdoing it. according to what i've seen, more people prefer only using 220 on Baltic birch plywood. i've been starting at 100, then 150, then 220. now that i've been working with more of it, it seems the ply i got from rockler has wide swathes of whitish scuffs. whether i sand or not, it seems that these patches are what wont accept the oil and remains as mottled white.
to apply the pattern, i've used white wood glue or elmer's and spread a very very thin coat across the back of the paper. sometimes i use packaging tape to cut. when i'm done cutting, the glue and basic printer paper just wash away with hot water leaving no residue whatsoever. i use rubber gloves to wash with knowing the naked wood will discolor easily. i torch the back and use small files or sanding blades to clean out the fretwork from behind, along with sanding the back. once the wood is sanded as i said, i pour a 50/50 mixture of BLO and-- since i've watched a jeff zaffino dvd-- paint thinner which dries faster, into a baking pan, deep enough to get 1/4/to 1/2 (1/8 inch deep) way up the wood. i then use a rag to dip and rub oil with the grains of the piece and make sure the oil coats the inner fretwork. i let it sit for a few minutes then take out, wipe off the excess oil and then blast the fretwork with air to get the oil out and wipe down again. i let it sit for a whole day usually but not always. before i spray a clear coat, so far i've only used semi gloss. i cut back with steel wool .0000 ( which i've decided i do not like whatsoever for all the same reasons as you) before i spray. turns out i was using an acrylic form of deft. that means it's water based?? i also use a lacquer semi gloss or shelac spray. the blotchiness started before it was ever sprayed, but i bought some brush on polyuerathane yesterday to try out -- which i did today on the simplified version of "on the prowl" by jeff zaffino, it looked nice--along with sanding sealer and wood conditioner to sample whenever i get the chance to experiment. i do 2-3 coats cutting back between each and using air and sometimes a wet or dry rag to clean.
i'm going to avoid giving my ideas as to what's up. the angel is hard to tell the problem from and it wasn't very bad at all compared to some of the other incidents. but even if it all came out looking halfway decent, does that list of steps sound ok?
i hadn't planned on writing a book, but it seems we have the first chapter. there is my process. my only source of information is the net. i've read many articles but if you don't already know many terms and products or been to other people's shops, a firm understanding can be difficult. i appreciate the help so much.
blessings
acorn

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From: MSN Nicknametas2181Sent: 2/22/2008 9:40 PM
I wouldn't use the wood glue or Elmer's glue as it probably is soaking into the wood and sealing the pores making the stain or blo mixture unable to penetrate. Most people use a spray glue, like the 3M super 77 or Duro, apply it to the back of the paper and glue it to the wood. Some put blue painters tape on first and glue to that to eliminate the problems of any glue residue. If you apply directly to the wood you may need to use mineral spirits to remove any glue residue.
Personally I put on blue painters tape, print out my patterns on full sheet labels and put them on the blue painters tape and then usually cover that with clear packaging tape.
The rest of your steps seem OK other than using the steel wool which I don't care for.
Read the labels on your finishes to see if they are compatible. They will usually say what you can use them with/over.
 
Tom

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