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| From:  T-Girluk1 (Original Message) | Sent: 8/1/2007 11:28 AM |
An ex love of mine was brought up in a strict faith ( i wont say which one ) but ultimately his upbringing was a hell fire and damnation one.
When he became a teenager, he started developing schizophrenia and this added to his fear. As he was not really in control of his actions at this time, and the fear of being sent to hell was imense. Ultimately he suffered severe depression as well as the schizophrenia due to the fact he was convinced he would go to hell for being ill because of the teachings hed had. This made him turn to drink drugs and violence and everything spiralled out of control as these things made his conditions worse, and he was convinced he was an evil person going to hell and there was no saving him. In the end at 42 years of age ( after battling this for 30 years ) he decided to take his own life. I know for a fact he thought that he was going to hell anyway so what did he have to loose, he felt as if he was hurting everyone around him, by being the person he was and thought he would ultimately release their misery by letting go of this life.
What id like to know is, how can people who say they follow god and the bible etc breed so much fear in others. We were given freewill, no-one has the right to take that away and no-one has the right to tell individuals how they should live their lives. Advise yes, preach no.
Personally i dont believe you have to go to church to be a good person and move on to whatever comes after life has ended. Hell is earth for some, i dont believe it exists in biblical terms and i do not believe we are judged by a higher being.
I believe on passing we are given the opportunity to judge oursleves by being shown a life review. Not only viewing our actions but also experiencing the emotions connected with our actions and the knock on affect we have in this world. Ultimately making us our own judges, and giving us the opportunity to learn from any mistakes we may have made in this life so our spirit can progress into whatever comes next. Im after a debate pls let me know your thoughts  |
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Hi teresa, l would everyone to look at this for insight, hope you and others find it interesting.. l can understand what you are saying though, remembering that the way religion or dogma, does place controls on how we think and then we come to the medical side... each would conflict with each other.. my heart goes out to you teresa, and your loved one in spirit... my prayers that the healing angels will aid him... We have to be truth to ourselves, one thing l support people right to believe in what they wish to believe in, even if it totally against what l believe... hope that makes sense... then again, parental rights over the childrens beliefs, is one way that children do learn from their parents, it so sad that your loved one, have developed schizophrenia and his depression and the religion, he had been from a child, to so hard accpt and cope with... All three is not ideal all will conflict..... thank you for highlighting this problem, maybe years ago we all would be shut away, for hearing and seeing spirit, thinking we are all witches, or mentally ill.... Religion as lot to answer for.. there is lot of points raised in your message teresa l totally agree on, very interesting thread.. please let us debate it plz... hugs skydancingxxx |
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Thank you for this link sky this has strengthened what i have always believed. That malevolant spirit who are stuck here can attach themselves to the vulnerable and to try to get them to carry out what they would like to do themselves. He used to say to me that there was always someone behind him and would turn his head to tell that person to be quiet i always thought it would be spirit but due to his upbringing he would disregard that and think i was nuts. Since he passed i have had confirmation from him that i was right and alls well with him. Although it pains me that people get labled as delusional or insane in this day and age, yes we all get depressed from time to time sometimes what lifes throws at us is so very hard to cope with, but surely if people could be made more aware of the spirit around them , and indeed their own, they could understand the world around them more and realise yes u can feel lonely but you are never alone, all you need do is reach out to your own spirit and embrace it to make yourself whole. I always felt lost before this journey started for me,now i never do nor do i feel lonely because ive realised ill always have my higher self to turn too for direction and that is a huge comfort. Teresa xxxxxxxxxx |
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Hi T Girl,
I grew up in a non religious family and I myself didn’t believe certainly in anything that was said regarding god, Jesus, the bible, church, heaven or hell. If any of those words were mentioned I switched off.
Later in life I found that there was an existence beyond this life to be true through evidence giving to me by a medium. I still didn’t go with any heaven or hell beliefs that people had spoke off, but came to the conclusion that if there is spirit people in another dimension then it would be interesting to know what exactly God is, why and the meaning to it all.
Several years later I was admitted into hospital in a deep depression. During my stay I realized I had made a mistake, Hell did exist, I was in it.
You said:
“I know for a fact he thought that he was going to hell anyway so what did he have to loose, he felt as if he was hurting everyone around him, by being the person he was and thought he would ultimately release their misery by letting go of this life.
My experience was slightly different due to my beliefs but also very similar. I felt I was hurting everyone around me by the being in the state I was in; I thought I would end their misery by taking my life. One thing I knew for certain at this point was that I wouldn’t go to hell because I was already in it, and I couldn’t imagine anything being any worse than what I was experiencing, I had nothing to loose, death looked very welcome.
While I was in hospital, I met many people with strong religious beliefs; it had a profound effect on me witnessing the power that religion has, for good and bad.
I believe there are many people experiencing hell right now, its not just in mental illness, but physical, emotional and mental abuse, manipulation and illness, torture, wars, diseases etc.
As you say:
“Personally i dont believe you have to go to church to be a good person and move on to whatever comes after life has ended. Hell is earth for some, i dont believe it exists in biblical terms and i do not believe we are judged by a higher being.
I believe on passing we are given the opportunity to judge oursleves by being shown a life review. Not only viewing our actions but also experiencing the emotions connected with our actions and the knock on affect we have in this world.�BR>
I agree, I believe there is no judge other than our self.
My heart goes out to you, your ex and all concerned…�BR> |
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Hi Tgirl, I,m so sorry about your friend but i,m sure he will have found peace now.He sounded to be a tormented soul. I go to church regularly every week.It was my own choice to do so and it has never been forced on me.I have never come across the hell and damnation that people keep describing.The people in our church are a warm and friendly bunch who care about each other.We,ve had the odd ones who try to push their opinions on everyone else,but it doesn,t really make any difference.We are all still there simply because we want to be.I am lucky enough to have my own set of keys for our church so I can go in whenever I like,and when I do itfeels so much like home to me.I am happy and comfortable there.Every priest I have met and got to know are just ordinary human beings.I could go to any one of them with any problem I have had and they have listened intently.They have never pushed God or Jesus or anything else on me.They have been a great comfort to me through these very difficult last 3 years.My world fell apart and I felt suicidal,but not one of them judged me or told me I would be judged.Instead they prayed for me and comforted me and made me feel that I was genuinly cared about.My phone rang constantly with concerned parishioners offering me their love and support.Without them and the help of my good friends and family,I know I wouldn,t be here now.I believe in times of need that it is God who sends the spirits to help us.I don,t believe hell exists as it is described in the bible.I think we all have our own little heaven and hell inside us and that itis up to us which way we choose.Do we choose love or hate? If we choose love then we are going in the right direction.And thats Gods way.We all have the freedom to make our own choices and our own way in the world.I chose to follow God and I have never been so content.My life has been far from easy,but I KNOW God has been with me every step of the way. love and peace chrissie |
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| | From: Morgan | Sent: 8/18/2007 12:02 PM |
Hi Chrissie,
My faith is like yours ! never forced on me and never preached at so to speak! and even though my parish priests know i am a Medium they still love me and help me and they bring the Statue of our lady of lourdes to stay in my house for two weeks every few years (when its my turn again to have her) when i go into Church .St Michaels i get complete peace just the same as I do in my room at home that i use for Open and Closed Circle! i do believe that I have been to hell and back but on the earth plane , My son Richard had a terrible crash on 23rd november 2001 and was unconcious
21 days he had also been recusitated and brought back to life when he was found (his jeep had hit a oak tree and a man walking a dog found him and rang the NHS !) My son talked a lot when he came out of the coma and described a place he had been to ! he also knew he had died too! he told the docs and nurses that he had met god and he described folk who had passed on before he was born (even i couldnt describe them ) i will never lose my faith and believe me I;ve had a lot of trauma in my life and had a lot of loose ends to tie up to get things going again but it has never altered my way of thinking about god and my brother was a choir boy ,and 2 uncles priests and they really do help people and they do care and there is nothing organised about my
religion also they believe in free will too and let people know that it is up to them who and what they believe in, xxxMorgan
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Hi Morgan, What an honour To have Our Lady of Lourdes stay with you.I have never seen her,but I have seen our Lady of Walsingham several times.Our church 'St. Mary's were also honoured to have Her stay with us when She visited Leeds and York.I have also been to the Shrine at Walsingham, and it is a beautiful peaceful place.Yet another place I feel at peace and at home in.There are plaques on the walls round the Holy house , where people have given thanks for the miracles that has happened for them.The taste of the water from the well is like no other and I felt quite light headed after drinking it.It is a place I am so looking forward to going to again.How sad that your son was hurt so badly, but how wonderful that he got to see God. A friend of mine from church lost her husband several years ago, and she spoke to our priest at the time about going to see a medium as she was desperate for reassurance that her husband was alright.Fr. Paul didn,t condemn her or mediums.He told her to do whatever it took to give her proof and make her happy.The medium told her things that only she and her husband could possibly know, so she got all the proof she needed to know that he was alright.You and all others like you are doing a great job helping others to understand that when God promised that there is life after death,He really meant it.Bless you Morgan ,and thank you to all mediums everywhere.Without people like you there would be far less proof of life after death. love and peace Chrissie xxx |
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| | | From: Morgan | Sent: 8/18/2007 3:48 PM |
Hi Chrissie, I have a postcard from Walsingham and a bottle of holy water which my friend Bob and Mary got for me on their yearly trips to walsingham to pray and i treasure it so much xxx(((((((((((((((Healing for your Mum) M |
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Thank you Morgan for the healing for my mum.I,ve been to see her again today and she was much more alert.She was even chatting up the male nurses bless her! She managed to eat a little and her breathing is getting much more settled.Hope Edward is doing okay, poor lamb.Love to him, to you and to your family love and peace chrissie xxx |
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| | | From: Morgan | Sent: 8/19/2007 1:03 PM |
Hi Chrissie xxxxxI believe firmly in the power of prayer to the most highest * i do say a rosary each time i ask for healing, Edwards face is a mess but he is great and got over it very quickly (he's out now with his mate) oh it's good to flirt a bit when your older and not well lol it helps you to heal yourself too xxxxxMorgan
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Hi Morgan just read yr reply to chrissie, am so glad Edward is feeling so good, love to you. I wont be on line now for a while, well not properly lol so take and much love to you xxx cath
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Hi Morgan, This is a prayer I found in our church magazine.Thought it might help you through things xxxx chrissie A PRAYER TO JESUS Lord hold my hand I so need your loving kindness Lord hold my hand, All through life, in joy or grief. Lord hold my hand, When I,m sick with fear and anxious. Lord hold my hand, In wonder of relief. Lord hold my hand, When it,s dark and storms are raging. Lord hold my hand, And help me live it through. Lord hold my hand, When i,m lifted, joyful, loving. Lord hold my hand, When I,m trying something new. Lord hold my hand, When I fail or faint or waver. Lord hold my hand, For I know your love is true. Lord hold my hand, When I,m lonely and weary. Lord hold my hand, When there,s only me....and You. |
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