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| | From:  Gunrockets (Original Message) | Sent: 15/01/2005 13:35 |
FROM SARGE:
If you have a gun that is having ignition problems or if one goes off when you close the action, to find out what the problem is you can make up a dummy cartidge with only a primer and safely close the action to see what happens. But I find that takes too much time and it uses primers so I just put a piece of masking tape over the fired cartridge's old primer and close the action. If the hammer or striker goes off, then the tape shows a mark.
We had a over and under 12 ga that was doing that very same thing. It went off when the action was closed. This happened on the firing line while we were in the midst of a Hunter Safety class. The student had the shotgun safely pointed down range like he was taught so there was no danger. But I pulled the gun out of the Hunter Safety safe at home and put in the "to be repaired" safe. This afternoon I finally got around to checking it out. And it would not go off with me handling it. I tried it several time and the triggers were always firm and had the proper pull. Never did it go off when I closed it. The safety worked properly too. Really puzzled I asked PFC Trent to tell me again exactly how the gun was being handled when it went off. He had tested it right after the student had his accidental discharge and it did the same for him. Went off as it was closed. He told me that neither he nor the student had their finger in the trigger guard when it went off. Then he mentioned that the student was a small boy and he had trouble opening and closing the shotgun. Trent then looked puzzled and said "I wonder if the boy didn't open the shotgun all the way up?" Because we only use one barrel in an over and under shotgun for trap shooting it wouldn't be necessary to open it all the way up to put a shell in the upper chamber.
"That was it!" This particular O/U was fairly new and was stiff. I can open it but I must give it a little extra boost to get it to open all the way so the bottom chamber is available. By not opening the shotgun all the way the hammers were not completely hooked on the sears. And closing the shotgun was enough to jar them off. BOOM! PFC Trent came up with the answer.
Remember when you are shooting with children, help them open the 'break open' type guns that rely on the opening of the action to cock the hammers, so this accident will not happen to you.
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I had a simular experence with a Rem. 870.
It was a very cold morning Duck hunting on Bowstring Lake in northern MN.
We had knoked down several bluebills, and one was a cripple. I reloaded my 870 with 1(one) shell and fired at the excaping bird, then with spent shell still in the action (son-in-law was pulling anchor and water was fling from the ropes) I cased the shotgun for the pursute. upon returning (birdless) to the blind area with boat, Knowing the empty was still in the chamber, I ejected it and as customary, I tossed a load into the chamber, apon sliding the action closed, with the butstock on the boat floor, the gun discharger about 3 inches from my ear, I was so shocked, and scared, thinking it was Anton gun that discharged. Then realized it was mine.
Only thing we could figure is the gun sitting with the fireing pin in fired position in the cold for that exstended time in 10 deg weather. and it beeing late in season and the good cleaning is done at season end.
Figured that the fireing pin was frozen in the fired position.
KEEP THE MUZZLE POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION! |
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About 12 years ago my 17 (+or- 2) nephew was loading a Rem. 742 in 30-06spr. and had inserted one loose cartridge into the chamber then letting the slide go full home, the rifle discharged into the ground. The rifle was put away and taken into the local gun repair shop. It was found that a small return spring on the fireing pin was missing. It is not known how that came about, or if it was missing from the box. further inspection showed that all cartridges that had been chambered in this rifle, but not fired, showed small indentations on the primers. This discharge could have happened at any time in the loading proccess.
Again the rifle was pointed in a safe direction. |
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