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FROM SARGE:
If you have a gun that is having ignition problems or if one goes off when you close the action, to find out what the problem is you can make up a dummy cartidge with only a primer and safely close the action to see what happens. But I find that takes too much time and it uses primers so I just put a piece of masking tape over the fired cartridge's old primer and close the action. If the hammer or striker goes off, then the tape shows a mark.
We had a over and under 12 ga that was doing that very same thing. It went off when the action was closed. This happened on the firing line while we were in the midst of a Hunter Safety class. The student had the shotgun safely pointed down range like he was taught so there was no danger. But I pulled the gun out of the Hunter Safety safe at home and put in the "to be repaired" safe. This afternoon I finally got around to checking it out. And it would not go off with me handling it. I tried it several time and the triggers were always firm and had the proper pull. Never did it go off when I closed it. The safety worked properly too. Really puzzled I asked PFC Trent to tell me again exactly how the gun was being handled when it went off. He had tested it right after the student had his accidental discharge and it did the same for him. Went off as it was closed. He told me that neither he nor the student had their finger in the trigger guard when it went off. Then he mentioned that the student was a small boy and he had trouble opening and closing the shotgun. Trent then looked puzzled and said "I wonder if the boy didn't open the shotgun all the way up?" Because we only use one barrel in an over and under shotgun for trap shooting it wouldn't be necessary to open it all the way up to put a shell in the upper chamber.
"That was it!" This particular O/U was fairly new and was stiff. I can open it but I must give it a little extra boost to get it to open all the way so the bottom chamber is available. By not opening the shotgun all the way the hammers were not completely hooked on the sears. And closing the shotgun was enough to jar them off. BOOM! PFC Trent came up with the answer.
Remember when you are shooting with children, help them open the 'break open' type guns that rely on the opening of the action to cock the hammers, so this accident will not happen to you.
Sarge
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FROM DENNIS:
Hey Sarge, I figured I'd pass along a little thing I found that works pretty well. I spent about 10 as the Warranty Repair Man for S&W here in PA. and if you've ever had to replace a rear sight blade on a S&W then you KNOW what a Jeasus spring is. Many a day... afternoon.... into night.. .I spent searching the floor amongst bedding coumpound shavings for one of those things... as well as plungers, various screws, you name it. If it comes apart and you have a place to put it it WILL end up on the floor. So .. One day doing something totally different Ihad occasion to find myself in a local print shop, those folks did everything, from business cards to logo work. I saw something on the wall in a hanger I ask the owner what it was, here it was a blank piece of flexible magnetic material that they print on for truck or car doors you know the type I'm sure. Well I had an thought. So I bought one about 10" X 14". It lays flat right next to my bench pad and everything I take off a rifle or pistol and lay on it STAYS right where I put it. One good feature about it is that it's flexable to ROLL UP and put a gum band around and put it in your travel tool box for range repairs, (the only thing worse than looking for a Jeasus spring on the floor is looking for one in the grass) I found they last about a year if you roll and un roll them alot, they last forever if you lay them flat and leave them there. and if you need to pick it up, it is happy to stay on the side of your file cabinet or safe.
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Trying to derust or take off blue so as to reblue long guns can be a problem. Here are a couple of tips. Black Poly pipe can be had at Home Depot for a small price already cut to 2 ft or 3 ft lengths. They also have end caps that fit the plastic pipe. Get a can of ABS glue and seal the end cap on one end very completely and you have a excellent long tall container to fill with a rifle action and the derusting or deblueing compound. Oh you say that is going to be expensive to buy all that chemicals? Buy one bottle and read the label and find out what it has in it as a base. Usually some solvent. Buy a gallon of that solvent and a couple of bottles of the deruster and thin it down so it fills the container. It will take a little longer to work but it also will be cheaper.
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Trying to derust or take off blue so as to reblue long guns can be a problem. Here are a couple of tips. Black Poly pipe can be had at Home Depot for a small price already cut to 2 ft or 3 ft lengths. They also have end caps that fit the plastic pipe. Get a can of ABS glue and seal the end cap on one end very completely and you have a excellent long tall container to fill with a rifle action and the derusting or deblueing compound. Oh you say that is going to be expensive to buy all that chemicals? Buy one bottle and read the label and find out what it has in it as a base. Usually some solvent. Buy a gallon of that solvent and a couple of bottles of the deruster and thin it down so it fills the container. It will take a little longer to work but it also will be cheaper.
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From: MSN Nicknameonlysoterion Sent: 2/2/2007 11:45 AM
Sarge,
I accidently de-blued my #3 Ruger,and a Pre-64 M70 by spilling liquid Tide on the barrels,NOT AN OPTION that I would recommend.
Respectfully,Lance
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From: Sarge Sent: 2/2/2007 9:35 PM
Hummm I wonder how it would work on rusty guns. Blue is just a controlled rust anyway.
I have some car parts that need de-rusting. I am sure Lt. Linda would never miss a cup or so of that stuff.
Sarge
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From: MSN NicknameHopelessGrumpy Sent: 2/2/2007 11:48 PM
Y'know.... I was given an ol fire damaged winchester pump 12 ga., think I posted about it when I first joined.... I'd honestly been wondering if making that 'soaking pipe' thingy would work to soak it in, so now mebbe I'll give it a try!
Thanks!!!!
Grumpy
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From: MSN NicknameHopelessGrumpy Sent: 2/2/2007 11:52 PM
Hey Sarge,
Now, if you don't need to be delicate in removing the rust, I accidentally discovered that a mix of regular household vinegar and water, will remove rust almost like magic!!!!
I was just fiddling around one day, ran across four old rusted steel traps a coworker had given me for decorations in the hideout... They were actually just like one odd shaped clump of rust....
I didn't think they could be salvaged at all, so I plopped em in a bucket with the mix, and in two or three days, I swear, ALL RUST was gone!!!!
I told a coworker about it, and a couple months later he told me he'd mentioned it to his uncle that restores old farm tractors as a hobby.. I guess his uncle now keeps five or six GALLONS of vinegar in his shop for just that purpose, and swears by it.
Now, DON'T go using it on guns or anything fine in size, as I guess it's also the acid in the vinegar that boosts it along, for it will remove EVERYTHING, and leave a rather dull finish to it.
Ol Grumpy
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