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From: MSN NicknameTequïIa  (Original Message)Sent: 5/6/2008 12:13 PM
Some things I've found around the internet:
 
- When Miles talks to Ben and ask for 3.2 million dollars. It's code for something. He is saying that he wants 3.2 million dollars is his way of telling Ben that our rescue crew knows the bearing to get on the island; 3-2-5 (3.2 and 5 zeroes). Ben then asks Miles why not 3.3 or 3.5 and Miles says no, 3.2 million dollars—reinforcing that they are sure of the correct bearing. 
 
In the season 2 finale, Ben tells Michael to follow a bearing of 325 degrees if Michael wants to be rescued.

Hmmm I like this one.


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From: MSN NicknameTequïIaSent: 5/7/2008 4:38 PM
 
What's your Faraday theory? or where is it anyways

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From: MSN NicknameT-o-r-s-t-e-nSent: 5/7/2008 5:00 PM
oh it's in the thread Daniel Faraday down below
 
i didn't explain any theory, really, but I just was unmasking the character of Faraday, and how it relates to the whole electromagnetic theory of the island
 

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From: MSN NicknameTequïIaSent: 5/7/2008 5:11 PM
Def something good to look at...
Faraday is an unusual name... almost like they wanted people to look it up... and I mean general enough that people who have any science background would know that a unit of electricity...
 
So, if you look it up - you get a pile of things on Michael Faraday (I think you brought him up before?) and the Faraday cage which is an interesting way to look at it...
 

Faraday cage

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Entrance to a Faraday room
Entrance to a Faraday room

A Faraday cage or Faraday shield is an enclosure formed by conducting material, or by a mesh of such material. Such an enclosure blocks out external static electrical fields. Faraday cages are named after physicist Michael Faraday, who built one in 1836.

An external static electrical field will cause the electrical charges within the conducting material to redistribute themselves so as to cancel the field's effects in the cage's interior. This effect is used, for example, to protect electronic equipment from lightning strikes and other electrostatic discharges.

To a large degree, Faraday cages also shield the interior from external electromagnetic radiation if the conductor is thick enough and any holes are significantly smaller than the radiation's wavelength. For example, certain test procedures of electronic components or systems that require an environment devoid of electromagnetic interference may be conducted within a so-called screen room. These screen rooms are essentially labs or work areas that are completely enclosed by one or more layers of fine metal mesh or perforated sheet metal. The metal layers are connected to earth ground to dissipate any electric currents generated from the external electromagnetic fields, and thus block a large amount of the electromagnetic interference. This application of Faraday cages is explained under electromagnetic shielding.

 
 

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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 5/7/2008 6:50 PM
Holy shit.

That's.....


mind-numbing, Teq. Thank you for that!


I really never tried to correlate this show with anything "real" - I mean, not beyond "that's a real tree" sort of thing, you know?

I'm.....

Hahaha, I'm freakin' speechless right now. :^P

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From: MSN NicknameHoTtSyLiTtLefoXXySent: 5/7/2008 7:25 PM
ok but what about when they flash forward and show us their lives back in the 'real' world?

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From: MSN NicknameT-o-r-s-t-e-nSent: 5/7/2008 7:33 PM
yes, most of these theories took their form long before this season, the one where the writers introduced the flash forward
 
and if you want to uphold these theories, well then it's not too difficult since so much of the pre-flash-forwards were all about manipulating events of the past to change events in present, and so, if the knowledge is learned to use the present to make decisions to get off the island, then the future is altered too
 
and I don't think the whole theory about it being a farm to save human life means that they are acting in a world that has already been decimated by slipping off it's poles, or whatever....perhaps the island keeps a consistent replinishment of suitable survivors since it's not known when the pole shift would happen....or perhaps simply some learned how to get off, did so, and after they were gone realized that is where they should be if such an event were to occur soon

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From: MSN NicknameTequïIaSent: 5/8/2008 11:01 AM
What if they were put there as a just in case kinda thing? So humans always had a fall back. It's Lord of the Flies-esque (I hope I'm not the only one who read that!) the way things started working out. They try to arrange a society, people turn seperate ways and the man made culture fails.
 
Actually the more I think about it - the more it reminds me of Lord of the Flies. They all arrived on the island after a plain crash... The main character would blow that conch shell and others would come - kinda like that "waaahhhhhnh" noise that we used to hear a lot - although I think that was because of the smoke monster? Hmm
 
I'll have to look it up because I can't remember the book... hmm

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From: MSN NicknameTequïIaSent: 5/8/2008 11:10 AM

Haa - So, I looked up a quick plot summary of the book. Now that I remember what happens - it reminds me even more of the book! ...wild!

Think someone will try to blow up the island? hmm

 

Lord of the Flies

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Plot

The novel begins when two boys, Ralph and Piggy, find themselves next to a plane crash site (called the 'scar'), unaware of their surroundings. The boys soon find a conch shell and Piggy suggests that Ralph blows on the conch to call for any others who might be nearby. Their situation soon becomes apparent; there are many British school boys and no adults.

These boys are divided into two main groups: the "big'uns" (several older children) and the 'littluns'. Ralph, one of the "big'uns", holds an "impromptu" election and is voted the chief of the boys, beating another elder boy, Jack (the head of a choir group that also landed on the island). Ralph quickly calls everyone together to work toward two common goals, the first being to have fun and the second to be rescued by creating a constant fire signal, which was to be lit using Piggy's glasses. Some of the boys then go exploring and it is discovered they are on a small island.

For a time things on the island are civil, where all the boys worked toward building shelters, gathering food and water, and keeping the fire going. The one goal which constantly gets sidelined is keeping the signal fire going as some of the boys, the 'hunters', led by Jack, focus their energy on hunting the wild pigs on the island. The children's belief in a "beast" on the island also creates a problem. The children begin to split into two groups, based on the existence of the "beast". Ralph attempts to disprove the existence of the beast while Jack exploits the belief in the beast to encourage his group of 'hunters'.

Jack soon forms a separate tribe from Ralph's. Jack gains defectors from Ralph's tribe by promising them meat, fun, and, most importantly, protection from the "beast". Jack's tribe gradually becomes more savage and they use face paint. Jack and his tribe of 'hunters' eventually murder one of the other boys, Simon, who was mistaken for the "beast". They then raid Ralph's camp, attacking the non-hunters in order to steal Piggy's glasses in order to make a cooking fire.

By this time Ralph's tribe consists of just himself, Piggy, and two twins named Sam and Eric. They all go to the rock fort of Jack's tribe to try to get back Piggy's glasses so he can see. In the ensuing confrontation Piggy is killed by a falling rock launched by Roger. Sam and Eric are captured and both become part of Jack's tribe, leaving Ralph by himself.

In the final sequence of the book, Jack and his friend Roger lead the tribe of 'hunters' on a hunt for Ralph, intending to kill him. In order to do this Jack sets the entire island on fire. The fire is so large that it attracts the attention of a nearby warship which comes to the island and rescues the boys. A navy officer lands on the island and his sudden appearance brings the children's fighting to an abrupt halt. When learning of the boys' activities, the officer remarks that he would have expected "better" from British boys.

 

 


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From: MSN NicknameTequïIaSent: 5/8/2008 11:21 AM

Apparently this was a lot more obvious than I thought

 

Other Similarities & Shared Themes

  • The introduction of a device that changes the plot of each work. (In the show; the discovery of the Swan. In the book; the finding of the paratrooper who is believed to be "The Beast")
  • Characters who don't seem to play a major role, but help pass information across. (Sam and Eric in the book, Boone and Shannon on the show.)
  • Schism between two major characters for leadership of the island (Ralph/Jack in the book, Jack/Locke on the show); in some ways, follows theme approached in title of "Man of Science, Man of Faith".
  • The question of maintaining morality while promoting order in a recreated civilization (how far is too far in a fear-based society) is broached in both the latter chapters of the book and episodes of the show such as "One of Them".
  • Importance of glasses (Piggy's, used for making fire in book; Sawyer's, used to read)
  • Character with asthma (Piggy and Shannon)
  • A castaway that feels a naturalistic connection to the Island (Simon and Locke)
    • Each of these castaways have a place where they find appealing and mesmerizing. (Locke with the Hatch, and Simon with his secret area only he knows about.)
  • The recurrent appearance of boars
  • A rarely-seen Monster (in the book, no more than a rumor)
  • A running gag of confusion between a pair of characters (in book, Sam/Eric, in show, Scott/Steve).
  • Simon's not-so-accidental death in the book and Boone's death in the show are also both later rationalized as sacrifices to the island (in the former case, by Jack of the book, in the latter, by Locke in the show).
  • Violence from misunderstandings and later, cold-blooded murders by characters that once attracted sympathy (Jack in the book, Michael on the show).
  • In the book the boar-head "speaks" to Simon in a dream, even predicting his death. Similar to various visions on the show, in which someone is seen as dead before it happened.
  • A parachutist arrives on the island and becomes entangled in a tree. In both cases, the parachutist is discovered by plane crash survivors from the island. However, in the case of the book, the parachutist is dead on arrival, whereas in the show Naomi is still alive.
    • Alternately, while not a parachutist, a balloonist arrives on the island and becomes entangled in a tree. In both cases, the deceased is discovered and the dead person leads to a major discovery (no monster or mystical force is terrorizing them and Ben is not Henry Gale but rather terrorizing them).
  • Two conflicting characters form their own groups from the castaways (Ralph/Jack in the book, Jack/Locke in the show).
  • A character is accidently killed after being mistaken for a threat (Simon in the book, Shannon in the show). Even the weather is similar: heavy rain, leading to confusion.

 


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From: MSN NicknameT-o-r-s-t-e-nSent: 5/8/2008 2:43 PM
yeah Teq the LOTF parallel was one I noticed and peddled from the beginning of Lost, as it is a book I consider to be one of my favorite reads of all time, even though it was like a 5th grade book

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From: MSN NicknameT-o-r-s-t-e-nSent: 5/8/2008 2:47 PM
it didn't mention the Rock!  in lost the black rock, in LOTF, the Rock

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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 5/8/2008 4:54 PM
Wow, it does have a lot of parallels. I've never read (or seen a film version of) LOTF. I really ought to...
 

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From: MSN NicknameHoTtSyLiTtLefoXXySent: 5/8/2008 6:14 PM
"I don't think the whole theory about it being a farm to save human life means that they are acting in a world that has already been decimated by slipping off it's poles, or whatever....perhaps the island keeps a consistent replinishment of suitable survivors since it's not known when the pole shift would happen"


exactly. that makes sense.

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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 5/8/2008 7:33 PM
How would the pole shift - or the electromagnetism - have an impact on this obvious time shift issue?

I love this stuff, probably because I don't completely comprehend it, lol.

And I can't wait for tonight - they're back at the cabin with Jacob!!!!!!!! :^D

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From: MSN Nickname•ChickyAfternoon?/nobr>Sent: 5/9/2008 12:40 AM
Where's Chicky? I think Charles is really into all those online theories and stuff, I wonder what he thinks of that one.
 
Here I am.  There are tons of theories out there.  Some fit, some don't.  Haven't had time to read this yet but have heard of this theory before.
 
If your interested.  Here is a link to the Theories board at the biggest LOST forum on the internet.  Tons of interesting reading there not only in the theories forum but on the other pages too.

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