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| | From: mompjb (Original Message) | Sent: 5/17/2007 1:01 AM |
We have tried to get Fig to do the step up command which his previous owner said he knows well. When he flys to the ground, he prefers to walk around. He will not step up to us. I know its only been a few weeks, but we really want to be able to hold and pet him. Hopefully be just like the others. Do you think this will happen? Are we hoping for to much to soon?
I can remember when we adopted Elvis and Clouseau (cockatoo and grey) that it only took us about 2 weeks to get them to come up to our hands. Elvis the cockatoo let me pet him from day one. I know toos are not as shy and reluctant as greys but still, even clouseau let us within a few weeks.
I am not sure he wants us to have him step up to be with us. We feel bad cuz he sees us with the others. His previous owner said she did pick him up when he jumped down from the cage and wanted to walk around (apparently a new thing he has been doing the past few months).
Are we rushing to much?
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I think that since he won't step up for you then the floor privileges are taken away... and he is promptly put back into his cage... All the time telling him why he is going back to the cage... Do that for three or four times with persistency and he'll wise up to what's going on... Amazons when hormones kick in and they will one day, needs to be taught the step up command before that time comes, and he needs to follow the command... otherwise he could terrorize the floor space for all the family... he's the bird... you're the flock leader... you take charge .... |
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You've had him for 10 days. It may be a little soon but I definitely would not allow him to walk around on the floor. Way too easy to step on them. Right now you are very aware but when you've had him for a long time you could forget and smush him. It has happened to more than one bird. How do you approach him to step up? You need to be firm. Go straight up to him, put your hand down in front of his breast, say "Step up" and gently push your hand into his belly. You will at some point get bitten, but that will happen whether you try now or later. Don't back off though, or he wins. If you absolutely cannot do it, get a stick or perch like his cage perch and step him up onto that. I don't think it is too soon since he is coming out of the cage. I have a 20+ year old wildcaught pionus who had never been handled. She had been in a shop for 2 and half years when I got her. I presented an apple branch for her to step on, then gradually, over a week's time, I slid my hand closer and closer to her feet. In a week she was stepping onto my hand. I will admit that she is a very mild mannered bird compared to all the amazons I have had. Annie |
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Amazons are big bluffers. Let me guess.....he's been on the floor, you've tried a few times to get him to step up, but rather than get into a battle over it, you've let him have his way. The first time it happened, he was thinking something along the lines of "Wow, that worked well, I'll have to try that again next time!". And the second time, he was thinking"Ahaaa! I've got the upper hand and I can get what I want!" "Step-ups" are something that can't be negotiable. They MUST learn that it's a requirement. Next time he's on the floor, approach as Annie suggested, hand touching his chest, say in a firm but not scary voice "Step up". Very helpful to use your free hand to come along the side, which will be just enough to throw him off guard and he'll be more concerned with that hand than the one he is supposed to be stepping onto. |
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| | From: Indy75 | Sent: 5/17/2007 2:38 PM |
"Step-ups" are something that can't be negotiable What Goodbird said is the absolute truth. I find it usually isn't the birds fault but the way the person tackles the problem. Usually people that don't have this problem usually don't hesitate but just do the motion. I am always correcting my hubby. He places his hand there like it is a choice. He hesitates also. If you go to do the motion of putting your hand there there is no turning back. They eventually realize it isn't a choice and just step up. The first time you stick your hand there to try and pick him up and you take it back cause he doesn't want to get up you have sent mixed signals. My bird has a choice if he wants bothered or petted but not when I really want him on my hand. He then knows the rules and we get along great. If you are scared of him (and he knows) then try to stick train him to get up. Also I don't say anything when I'm returning a bird to his perch after he flys or glides down. And he always goes straight back to where he started. I really had to enforce that with hubby cause he would pick the bird up and talk to him or set him somewhere else. The bird was getting exactly what he wanted. Indy |
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I believe in telling them exactly what it is I want them to do.. Hasn't failed so far... My birds know what they can do and what they can't do, what is expected of them and they've always had bounderies... I need Sherry and Nay to step in here and attest to my having well adjusted/behaved birds... But I do "talk" to them about why something is happening .. since we all agree they are intelligent then I assume they can understand... my words and body language... so Patti don't show fear... that they can pick up on that immediately... |
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| | From: mompjb | Sent: 5/18/2007 3:20 AM |
Hi, I don't allow him on the floor, the times he flew down something scared him. But.... I did try to do step up and yes I was afraid of getting bit so the first time, I basically walked him back with a dowel in my hand as I could not get him to step on a small dowel, med dowel or a large dowel. He walked back from kitchen to the room with his cage. 2nd time, he kept pushing dowel away or jumped over it - smarty pants he was. So, I have a tray on my ottoman and used this. He stepped right on it and I walked back to the cage with him in it. 3rd time just the other day, same thing but instead of dowels, I tried a firm step up command put hand hand/finger real close, he just walked away so I got the tray out.
Tonight... I was actually touching his feet, he would put them out for me. Sometimes he tried to trick me and try to reach and bite me, other times look like he wanted to step up.
I am not sure I am ready to put my hand on firmly on his chest and I am not sure he will let me. As soon as I move hand close to him he walks away fast. Doesnt let you touch him so tonight I think I made some progress in letting me touch his feet. Eventually I will get the nerve and go for it. I am sure he will fly off but I will try, just not sure now or not.
When Clouseau my grey bites me, god it hurts for days! Not sure I want this just yet. I want to be sure Fig wants to come to me. I won't let him walk on floor as I agree, he probably thinks this is a treat!
Also, isnt spring-May the time for their hormone change so isn't this not a good time?
can you tell I am nervous about this, I want to but I don't. God give me strength!!!
Also, I will take some pictures of him. The ones his owner sent me does not justice at all. You should see him eat goulash. It is all over his beak!!!
Thanks again everyone!!!!
Patti
P.S. I still have the smell issue I guess I should get over it!
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