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From: MSN Nickname®Larry_W_B_1©  (Original Message)Sent: 9/18/2006 2:25 PM
From: Isaiah  (Original Message) Sent: 10/8/2003 7:52 PM
I will be doing several message on this. It is from someone who knows what is happening because he was a member but left this false teachings.

OUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH A
SACRED NAME ASSEMBLY
WHAT
 ONE SACRED NAME GROUP DID (and continues to do)
TO MY FAMILY

          The hurt these people have caused my family in the name of their religion is truly amazing. It has made me conclude that they serve a different god than the one we serve.
          First, you should know that we were second and third generation members of a oneness pentecostal church near the town of White House, Tennessee. This church changed what it formerly believed to become a Sacred Name church.
         In 1992 and 1993, the minister started preaching and teaching what he told us were the Hebrew names of God. He called the God of the Old Testament YHWH. This he said should be pronounced "Yah-wah."
   At first he said our Savior's name was Yasha. He pronounced it like the name of the great Russian born Jewish violinist, Yasha Heifetz. Later he linked it with YHWH and said it was YHWH YHWSH. This combination he pronounced as "Yah-wah Yash-wah."
   [NOTE: You may have noticed, as we did, that the SH is in the last syllable of the written word, YHWSH, but in the first syllable of the pronunciation, Yash-wah. Little inconsistencies like this seemed to go unnoticed by most people in the congregation.]
          Through all this teaching, this man maintained that he was not vocalizing any vowels as he pronounced these names. The logic for this was something like, the Hebrew language does not use vowels and neither are we. This kind of logic and misappropriation of facts is pervasive within the religious movement promoting the use of the sacred names.
   [NOTE: The ancient Hebrew written language used no vowels. But as language cannot be spoken without vowels, the spoken Hebrew certainly did use vowels.]
          I researched this teaching and was very surprised to learn that the pronunciations he was using were not Hebrew at all. These were pronunciations that this man and others in their ignorance had simply invented.
          It seemed to me that they were basing their service to God almost solely on the use of these "sacred names." Knowing, as I did, that these names were simply made up, I could do no less than reject them. Salvation cannot be predicated upon using a made up name.
          I later learned that one of the women in the church told the preacher that God had revealed to her the correct pronunciation of the Savior's name - Yash-wah. He changed his pronunciations to match hers. In August of 1993, he apologized to the congregation for any part he "may have had" in their mispronunciation of the name.
          Hebrew scholars do not use these pronunciations. Bible language scholars and Bible history scholars do not use these pronunciations. Jewish people do not use these pronunciations. But this sacred name congregation uses these pronunciations because they had a "revelation from God." This minister said that he got what he taught just like Paul got what he taught, directly from God. 
  
           WE REFUSED TO LEAVE THE TRUTH!

          When the church changed its beliefs to coincide with this man's teachings, they were rebaptized, in 1994, in the name of Yahwah Yashwah. My family and I held true to what we had always believed. We exited the congregation in late 1993, before this man held his baptismal service. We refused to go along with this made up teaching in order to keep our place in the church. We had to stand for the truth no matter what our friends and family were doing. Because of this, we were treated like we had leprosy and worse.
          Friends and family members who stayed in that group will no longer associate with us. They have told us that it is like we are dead to them. Some even said they will not ever again be in the same room with me. Some have refused to attend weddings because I performed the ceremony. Two of my daughter-in-law's sisters and her mother refused to even come to her baby's shower because my son an his wife are no longer members of their church.  It would appear that their leader told them not to come. He controls their lives. Because of this, my daughter-in-law's mother seldom sees her grandson. He is growing up without her. This is such a shame!
         We had to leave that church to stand for the name of Jesus. We left that church, but we did not leave the Truth. 
  

         THE WORKS OF SATAN WERE MANIFEST

          When we left, the Powers of Darkness rose up against us. Attacks began to be made on our character. Gossip began to circulate that we were liars, thieves, spiritual wolves, adulterers, fornicators, and other such nonsense. It was said of us that we were rebellious, that we just wanted to get away from any kind of authority, that evil spirits had taken us over, and other less complimentary words.
          Every one of these accusations are false. But these lies are still being circulated and believed among these people. We were advised that we would have a good defamation of character and slander case in court, but until now we have not pursued this avenue.
          These false accusations were made only to dehumanize us and kill our credibility and influence among the people who had loved us for so many years.
        All this happened some years ago. Yet we are still being persecuted till this very day. I conducted a funeral service a few days ago. After the service, my son, my wife, and I went to a local restaurant for lunch. A couple with whom we had been close friends came into the building and were waiting to be seated. They looked into the dining room and saw us already seated. They immediately turned and left the restaurant without speaking to us.
          While we were in this church, our family was as well respected as any family in the church. When we left, we suddenly became evil personified, if one is to believe the gossip mill.
          Why are we persecuted by these people? The reason is simple enough. We stood firm for the name of Jesus. We refused to accept this "New Revelation." We went against the "leader" of this group. We held to God's word, the Bible, instead of the leader's word, his imagination. We simply do not believe and accept the sacred name doctrine this preacher began teaching. We rejected their spiritual leader and his pet teaching.
          Now, many people whom we have known for years will not even speak to us. They go to the other side of a store or street to keep from speaking to us. Some will walk right by and when we speak to them, they act as if we were not there. More that once, we have been in restaurants when some of these sacred name people entered and upon seeing us left the premises, refusing to eat where we were.
          My daughter has received one harassing phone call. One is enough. She was home alone at night when a despicable person phoned her and in an obviously disguised, gruff, and whispered voice called her, "Backslider," and hung up.
          I have received a number of threatening phone calls. Someone calls who feels that God has appointed them to tell me what he thinks of me. A call or two has been about how God will get me sooner or later. One sad person called to accuse, threaten, and try to intimidate me into not telling the story of what has happened to my family and me. He was most angry about the Cult Awareness Seminar I give.
          I told him I love him. What can you say to someone like that?
          Yes, I have been threatened with bodily harm. If you think all the religious zealots with hatred in their hearts are in the Middle East or Northern Ireland, you need to think again. Sit and talk with my family and me for an hour or two. None of us has been deterred in the least from serving the Lord Jesus by these intimidation tactics. 
  
           ENEMIES OF gOD?

          When the leader of the group says we are his enemies and the enemies of his god, how can you expect the congregation to act?
          Here is a statement this man made in a sermon about those of us who left, "It would please me if God would just take 'em off of the face of the earth."
          This pitiful man actually hopes we will die. Let him keep hoping. Is it any wonder my life has been threatened.
          When the leader of the group says such inflammatory things, when he encourages the congregation not to shake our hands, not to speak to us or have anything to do with us and then states openly how it would cause him pleasure if God would take us off of the face of the earth, someone in the congregation is likely to do some extreme acts.
          Such a god! It is certainly an interesting study in human behavior. It surely is not godly behavior.
          If this is how receiving the revelation of the sacred name causes one to be, why would anybody want it revealed to them? 
  
            LETTERS WE HAVE RECEIVED

          Here are excerpts from letters we received from former friends who remained in that assembly.

          1. "If you are not for YHWSH, you are against him & that makes you my enemy too." [We did nothing except keep believing what we had believed and we are now someone's enemies.]

          2. "You have done worse than all the preachers thats been here and there has been many." [I was this lady's pastor for over twenty years. As you can see, she thinks I am the worst of the worst.]

          3. "Enclosed is the 20 dollars you sent J----- for his birthday. We felt to return it to you." [This, from my wife's niece when we sent her son a birthday gift. She refused to let us be part of this little boy's life anymore. When this child, who loved us so dearly, sees us now he does not even speak to us. How sad. My wife still cries many tears for this little boy.]

          4. "God has been showing us what you are. A SNAKE. As you know the word of God teaches us a snake or serpent is called the devil." "I feel like I can't stand to look at you, with pride written all over your face." [This letter is signed by a couple with whom we went on vacation, stayed in their home, regularly ate out, and had many wonderful and good times.]

          The sad part of all this is that these things are done with the blessing and encouragement of the leader of this group. 
          

WOLVES, LITTLE WOLVES, AND PUPPIES

          Here is an interesting occurrence which exemplifies the thinking and attitude of this sacred name leader and his assembly.

          My wife's mother died Thanksgiving week, 1998. This same sacred name preacher was in charge of the funeral service. After spending less than a minute (I timed it.) telling about the life of my mother-in-law, (She was a great and courageous Christian lady who had done many good and often sacrificial deeds for the name of Jesus, for the advancement of his kingdom, and never believed the sacred name teaching.) the preacher spent the rest of his time teaching and attempting to prove the doctrine of the sacred name. While at the same time saying that if this lady had ever heard his doctrine, she would have believed it.
          Three pastors were there, including myself, who were associated with this church before it went into the Sacred Name Movement. The sacred name leader, who could not find more than a minute to speak about this fine Christian lady's life, found time to do the most insensitive and asinine thing I have ever witnessed at a funeral. With this good lady's seven children present, knowing that four of them did not agree with his teaching, he derisively challenged those who disagree with him to either "put up or shut up." These four family members and a number of extended family members, not to mention others who were just friends of the family, took this inordinate challenge as no challenge at all, but only a malicious personal insult. They took it as an affront to their mother's memory. They also see it as a rash and uncaring offense against the memory they will have of their mother's funeral service. If ever there were to be a time or place for such a thing as he did, this funeral service was neither.
          Since that funeral service, this man has taken an extra ordinary amount of time delivering harangues to his people about staying away from the "three wolves"- the three pastors who were there. He put pictures of three wolves on his overhead projector to graphically illustrate his point for the congregation. He has told them to also stay away from the little wolves. By this he indicates our children, who are all adults.
          This sad and fear filled man, who apparently cannot tell how contemptible his words sound, told his congregation to have nothing to do with the puppy wolves. He is talking about our innocent grand children. There are five between the three of us. This attempt to demonize even our babe-in-arms grand children, shows the level to which this man has devolved.
          But, God works all things together for good. At least one fine person took all they could take of this nonsense and has since left that sacred name assembly saying that they will not go back.

CONCLUSION

         This has been a very traumatic experience for my family and me. However, the experience has given us the ability to view the sacred name doctrine from a perspective not shared by most people.

         None of us will ever believe the sacred name doctrine, not because we had a bad experience, but because we see it for what it is, error. At the same time, neither will we ever be back as part of that congregation.

         We got out. Now, if we can find others who are inclined toward getting out of a sacred name assembly, we make it our goal to help them get out.

         We still serve Jesus. Satan may loudly roar, but he has no teeth. His teeth were pulled on a hill outside Jerusalem hundreds of years ago.

        



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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameSearERIC</NOBR> Sent: 8/8/2005 6:41 AM
 Larry, your Creator did not tell anything, other than what I have told you.  I am sorry that you wish to stay in the darkness, I knew you would not check with your English church, for you are always saying one thing then another.  I knew that it would upset you when I went to your church for proof, but I had hoped that we could have a intelligent conversation, instead, you accuse, Jo says it is not even English that the KJV is written in, now it is some secret language, check your past post of hers, and see how many times she claimed that "the English translation of King James was inspired by the Creator", and that she knew this for sure, talk about confusion gosh, how confusing is that, what secret ?  Are we secret or spiritual ? As always, I am here for you, I have nothing over you, whether you can see it or not, we are one.  As I have told you before, even my children have a hard time accepting the truth, from me, because of the heavy influence society has on them, nobody likes to be unpopular, but I would rather be unpopular now, with society, than later with Yahweh. 
Larry I will make a deal with you, if you stop acting a fool, about Our Creator's name, I will give you time, to search for yourself without telling you anymore truth about Jesus, Lord or God.
Remember you kept asking for proof, I figured that your English Church proof, you would accept.
 
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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameSearERIC</NOBR> Sent: 8/8/2005 6:50 AM
Larry I suspect that when you were a kid, people use to tell you shut up all the time, or Larrie youse makes no cents, tat all, hush.
Larry where did the NT start ?  Please do not cop out Larrie, if you are honest enough to admit that you do not know I am willing to help you. But sooner or later, one has to be honest and truthful in order to receive truth, other wise you cannot recognize truth.  Is that right Larrrie ?
 
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From: joie Sent: 8/8/2005 10:30 AM
Well, Eric, it is time you try to become honest and admit you are in total darkness, without one Word of Scripture to back up a thing you say.
Larry and I both back up every word we say with Scripture.........duh.....that is truly what you all hate.
 
Now we have both told you many times that we do not go by a church..we go by the precious, wonderful KJV, which you hate.
 
So you will just have to stay in your darkness and error.
You set  a man's vision in 1930 above God's Holy Word.  Shame on you!
 
And now you are fighting the one who died for you.  and trying to tear our faith down......but you cannot do that.....we are founded on the solid ROCK and you cannot tear it down.
 
Jo

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From: <NOBR>MSN Nickname®Larry_W_B_1©</NOBR> Sent: 8/8/2005 11:07 AM
Eric, you would like for me to shutup. Also the same for joie, but Eric we will not shut up, we will cry out with a loud voice as a trumpet exceeding loud;as the apostles did. 
 
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight

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From: joie Sent: 8/8/2005 12:17 PM
But, Larry, that is KJV Scritpures......they cannot believe any of it.  There was no such person as John, Jesus, Peter, Paul, James, Phillip, Stephen, Mary, Elizabeth...etc.  I mean after all, only the Word of God tells about these people......and these fake-name folks cannot believe the Word of God......so to them......John and Mary did not exist.

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameSearERIC</NOBR> Sent: 8/8/2005 12:29 PM
I would pray that Yahweh snatch my life out of me before I do something to hurt you.  I do not hate the KJV, that is why I research it.  Why would I research something that I hate ?  If you love it as you say you do, how come you never researched it, so you could back it up with rock solid proof ?
Now the book came from England, and the Church of England has the orginal book, have you ever read it, even in part ?
 
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From: MSN NicknameSearERICSent: 9/18/2006 3:31 PM
Larry the sacred name of our father is not a religion. It is simply His name ! The Devil will call our Creator by His true name and still behave as Satan, first way you can recognize this, is he will start a religion/division !
All religions disrespect Yahweh's people, and deceive them, what you find in one religion you will surely find in another, that is why I will never have anything to do with any of them.
 
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From: joie Sent: 8/8/2005 2:37 PM
Eric, if you loved this book you could not call it fake and full or lies and error.  Neither could anyone else.  You do not love it.
 
I have researched and studied it since my childhood.  I have read it through many, many times.  I have sat up many nights, all night, studying it and writting [hand writting] down revelation God gave me from this glorious Book.
 
We must take it by faith.  God himself proves it to me.  Nothing could bring his presence and power into ones life as it has mine, except it be truth from God.
 
The beauty of the way it fits together from the first page till the last is marvelous beyond human imagination.  But you doubters will never see and enjoy this.
 
I need not man's proof.  God has proven it to me.  If you allowed faith to enter into you, you too would need not man's proof.
 
jo

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameSearERIC</NOBR> Sent: 8/8/2005 2:52 PM
So Jo, youse just a good little book worm, r's you ?
If tis is true, hows cum youse never read the orginal book ?
 
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From: joie Sent: 8/8/2005 3:52 PM
I read the original Book every day.  It is most beautiful and glorious.
 
But now do not think that I did not do loads of studying other stuff, books, materials, and such long ago.  In fact, as I told you in another thread,  I did that until God told me to stop.
 
That other stuff only causes confusion.  You need to stop reading all that other man-made junk.  It only causes unbelief as you try to make the Word fit into 'their' mold.  It does not.
 
Only when I STOPPED reading other stuff, did God start teaching me His Truth.
 
I would not back.
Jo


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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameÐove</NOBR> Sent: 9/18/2006 9:53 AM
I've had the unfortunate experience of conversing with one of the members of the Sacred Name cult.  Granted, the name of the Lord IS Sacred, but these folks profane His Holy Name by spreading hatred and discord for those who believe in Emmanuel (God is with us), aka the translated name of Yeshua, "Jesus".
 
I commend you, Larry...people need to be aware of the tactics and dangers of this cult and avoid them like the plague!  Such are the deceptions of evil, leading many astray of the Light that is Christ.
Thank you very much, yes people need to be aware that there are false teaching out there that will deceive people into believing a lie and be damned.

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From: MSN NicknameSearERICSent: 9/18/2006 3:44 PM
Yeshua is just like Jesus, it is the wrong name for the Messiah.
 
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From: joie Sent: 10/8/2003 11:57 PM
Dear Isaiah,
 
How I thank you and God for finding and publishing this message. Know what?  I know now God was moving on me a day or two ago to bring out this very thing.  And I started to do so.  I thought about asking those in here who advocate this foolishness to explain to me why there are so many different 'versions' of the names of God and His Son.
 
I myself had seen that there is a vast variety of different 'renderings' being presented to us.  I myself had a hard time keeping up with what 'they' are telling us is the corrrect 'name'.
 
I started to ask Echo why he has changed a few times; and as I read this same 'junk' on other groups, they also use different renderings, which that declare is the absolute only acceptable word in the sight of God.
 
My, my.  Thank you Lord Jesus for setteling and giving me pure Faith in the Holy King James Scriptures.
 
Know what?  All these deluded souls would have us believe that God has only one language on earth which He is sure about.  God could only give us his word Is what some poor souls believe to be true ancient Hebrew.
 
Echo has stated that 'translations' of the Word were not permitted by God and all are CORRUPT.  ( I do not believe it is possible to be saved believing and teaching such an evil thing against God and His Word--calling it corrupt.  That means to him, God is corrupt.)
 
I would be afraid to go to sleep with such an accusation against the Holy God as that in my mouth.
 
What????????   God only gave His pure Word to one and only group of folks on this whole earth..... and the absolute only way any of us who speak something else (not our own fault.... we just happened to be born as English speaking folks, or with others, some other language.)
 
So....... if  we do not go and 'learn' some ancient Language, which it seems, absolutly no one is sure of, then we have no access to God's Holy word, even though our eternal life or damnation depends upon our knowing  and obeying that same word, which we have no access to.
 
Now I think that would be the most horrible thing one could do to us, and it would be done by our own God who said he loved us all?????????
 
How can any right thinking, sensible human being come to such a horrible and evil conclusion?
 
How are so many silent to this evil accusation,........ that God is going to send us all to hell who call our Saviour Jesus as His word told us to do?
 
Is everyone asleep?  or dead?  or stupid? or hating the real truth so much that they stay quiet while these true wolves, or better, devils spread this poison and venom to more and more vulnerable, deluded souls each day.
 
If you trasverse the internet much, you will see this evil doctrine spreading like an out-of-control wild fire, destroying much precious life in its wake.
 
Holy Lord Jesus, Son of the Living God, please deliever us, the whole world of this evil corruption up from the pits of hell.
 
Your loving daughter,  Jo.
I love you Lord Jesus Christ with all my heart and soul.
 
I love your Holy King James Word you so marvelously gave to us English loving people.  Thank you Lord Jesus, and Our Holy Father that you did not leave us without a true witness of your precious word to Us.
 
Thank you for giving us the precious Name of JESUS  CHRIST.  How we love you and adore you and worship you, our Jesus.
 
I wish to thank the person who took the time to search out and write the foregoing messages for this crazy world to read and see the foolishness of this evil move in the World to eradicate the only Name given under Heaven whereby we must be saved.= the Name of Jesus.

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From: Isaiah Sent: 10/9/2003 3:24 PM
Joie the reason they use so many different versions,they are in total confusion. They have so many name that they forget what they called him yesterday. So if they are in confusion we know this is not of God because he is not the author of confusion. Why they don't call him ( Jesus) what the word says is beyond my imagination.


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From: MSN Nickname®Larry_W_B_1©Sent: 9/18/2006 3:58 PM
From: joie Sent: 10/9/2003 9:52 PM
This is a much needed series of messages.  Too many people have stayed in ignorance of these matters much too long.  Ignorance is taking people down that road to hell fire.
 
I saw where in one of their statements of the pope's being god, that they said these words:  fully god and fully man.
 
I realized that this is why they say this about Jesus, for they must first make Jesus be fully god and fully man in order to pave the way to make this human devil a god.  See unless they first taught that Jesus was both fully god and fully man, then who would ever believe that the pope could be both fully god and fully man?
 
So see that this teaching is only a tool of satan to carry on this evil teaching that pope is god.  So all who repeat and believe that lie are helping satan rule.
 
Jo

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From: joie Sent: 10/9/2003 11:16 PM
I have said from the very first time I ever heard this foolishness of Jesus not being the N.T. Name of our Saviour, that it is a made-up, unprovable lie.  and so it is.
 
Now this foolish lie that God never intended or allowed a translation of His Word into any other language than the original one is so stinky, there are not words for it.  This is actually accusing God of not wanting any other people to know His Word, and therefore Him, other than those who could read the original language.  I do not for one minute believe God had any such intention = keeping His Word hidden to the rest of his creatures.
 
No, a thousand times not.  This is insinuate that God only knows one language; he is incapable of giving it in any other language; he does not love the rest of us; he is going to judge us by His Word of which He never gave us a chance to hear or learn.
 
Nope, not my Loving God.  He did no such thing.  It is a lie, devil.  I flat refuse it.
 
I tell you the original Word was in Heaven before there was any Hebrews or their language.  All the World spoke one and the same language until God scattered them over the whole world and changed their languages.  And I am telling you, this was not HEBREW.  There were no such peoples as Hebrews until Abraham.
 
Abraham was not born a Hebrew; for there were no such peoples.  This is NOT a race of people.  It is merely a Heavenly Name by which God calls his people.  So is the term,  Jew.  That is not a race of people.
 
Is not Abraham the Father of the Hebrews?  Of course he is.  Does not the Word of God tell us that he was born a SYRIAN?   Of course it does.
 
So maybe we better go learn Syrian, huh?
 
God's word was in the Heavenly unknown tongue.  It was translated into Hebrew, supposedly by Moses.
 
And yet we are told God did not permit any translations of His Word.  Such a hideous lie.  God moved on Holy Men to translate the Word.  They were faithful to God and the Word.  They had no ugle, sinful ulterior motives, as these sacred name liers do today.  They are the ENEMIES OF JESUS, OF WHOM PAUL WARNED US.
 
Know what?  If there are no true translations of the Word,  then we do not even know if there ever was such a person as a son of God, now do we?  After all, what teaches us that, except the Holy KJV of the Word, or some other TRANSLATION.
 
How do we know there ever was a Paul? or a crucifixion?  See, if there are no translations of the Word, no one knows any of this, for there is no way to know.
 
I almost guarantee you, that original Hebrew is NOT KNOW BY A LIVING SOUL TODAY.  So who is going to read the Word of God and tell all the rest of the world any truth?
 
There is no way of salvation, according to this lie.
 
People wake up!  Think!  See where this lie puts everyone?  Without any hope in this world, for God kept His truth from all except the ancient Jews.
 
And that included you, Echo, Eric, and all the rest of you who so verhemently teach and believe this hideous  LIE.
 
Let it go on the record that Jo Smith loves and fully believes Jesus and the Holy KJV.  I have a personal relationship with My God and Jesus, not some made up imagenary stuff;  real stuff which most people know not one thing about.  He has done incredible things in my life and for me.  Now this did not come about by any false name like you people advocate.  It came about through the KJV and JESUS.
 
Praise His Holy Name forever.  I worship you and love you, my Jesus.
 
Jo

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From: joie Sent: 10/9/2003 11:36 PM
Larry, know why all these people are believing this lie of Jesus not being God's Son's name?  Because they refused the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.  Without the H.G. they have not the true interpreter of the Word.
 
Without the H.G. they are none of his.  The refused the wonderful Baptism in water in the Name of Jesus Christ as God the Father commanded us to do, so they never received the promised H.G.
 
So, they did not receive a love for the TRUTH.  God said He would send them all a STRONG DELUSION who receive not the LOVE OF THE TRUTH.
 
That is the TRUTH.  They love not this truth, but rejected God's chosen way of Salvation in the Name of Jesus, so God has sent them all a strong delusion.
 
God said He would choose their delusion.  They refused to be bapized in the Name of Jesus and receive the H.G. so God chose this delusion ~~~ that they cannot believe in the precious true name of JESUS.
 
Without this name being called over them in baptism, they cannot have salvation.  So God chose for them to never believe in this name.
 
He said they would  BELIEVE   A   LIE.  AND  BE DAMNED.  So just believing a thing does not bring salvation; in fact it brings damnation if you believe a lie.  Sure, they believe it with all their heart, but they are believing a LIE TO BE DAMNED.
 
Pityful, but so true.  They are headed to a devil's hell, for they deny God's Son who died for them.
 
Jo

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From: MSN Nickname®Larry_W_B_1©Sent: 9/18/2006 4:24 PM
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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameLolady·</NOBR> Sent: 10/12/2003 7:32 AM

Thank you Isaiah,

Great Read!  Very interesting!!




 


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From: Isaiah Sent: 10/12/2003 9:23 AM
Thank you lolady, jump in here and let's defeat this evil together. Hope you are doing better.

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From: joie Sent: 10/12/2003 10:52 PM
 
If you are trying to come up with reasons not to believe the name of the Creator, and using this guy to do it.
 The list of Jesus clowns go all the way back to the 1500's.
Just because you don't believe, means nothing.
All over the world they say Jesus and it means nothing at best.[eric]

Eric, be not deceived, God is not mocked.  What you sow that you will also reap.
 
Thank God I will not be in your shoes when your reaping day comes.
 
Hell awaits you big time.  God has chosen your delusion.
 
Again, show us your proof. Show us the Book you get all this out of.  Is it born inside you.  How are we to know?
Where is your history proof?  Where is your Scripture.  You speak of Scripture in one post; condemn it in others.
 
which is it?

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From: MSN Nickname®Larry_W_B_1©Sent: 9/18/2006 4:27 PM
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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameSearERIC</NOBR> Sent: 10/13/2003 12:49 AM
Jo, did you ever research Church?  When did it appear in the bible?  [KJV]
Did you take a look in your Dictonary, for Yahweh, Elohim, or Yahshua ?
Before you send me to hell, give me a fair trial.  When you read this, pick up your bible, turn to Romans 1:19-20;  John 14 :18-20...  This should tell you, by whose Authority I speak.
 
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From: Isaiah Sent: 10/13/2003 3:20 PM
 
Eric where is your god Yaaaa- hooooooooo ? Is he a god of wood and stone? Does he not speak? Does he not hear? Does he not see? Tell your god ( Yaaaa- hooooooooo) we need to hear from him about this matter of what to call his name. Tell him we need to see "It is Written". Or is he the work of men's hand made of wood and stone which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell? Has your god ( Yaaaa- hooooooooo) hid his face from you?
 
 Where is your god in whom you trust? I have seen that he has not spoken to us. Have we provoked him to anger that he can not speak? Have we been a thorn in his side or a snare that he will not speak. Pray tell us Eric. Has your god ( Yaaaa- hooooooooo) forsaken you? Why would we want to serve yur god that has forsaken you when our God ( Jesus) said he would never forsake us and leave us? Pray tell us What aileth your god? Where is the god of eric? Are you your own witness? Have you made yourself a god ? Pray tell us. Is your god deaf and dumb? Cry out to him to speak to us and for him to tell us that his name is Yaaaa- hooooooooo or Boooooo---- boooooooo or hoooooooo------ hhhhhhhhhhhhhooooooooooooo or what.
 
Are you serving a god of gold, and of silver, of brass, of iron, of wood, and of stone, which see not, nor hear, nor know? Does he not care for you or love you? My God said he so loved the world that whosoever beliveth in his shall not perish but have everlasting life. Does your god promise that? I persume not because we see nowhere he has even said anything about himself. Eric where is your god Yaaaa- hooooooooo? 
 
Eric I think I had rather serve my God that can speak hear and see, talk,smell anything that he wants and I also see where he is going to destroy your god and all other gods that come before him. You might just want to reconsider and repent and call on the name of my God ( Jesus) and he will and can forgive. Can your god Yaaaa- hooooooooo forgive sins? I don't think a god of gold, and of silver, of brass, of iron, of wood, and of stone, which see not, nor hear, nor know can do that? Repent today.
 

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameSearERIC</NOBR> Sent: 10/13/2003 5:29 PM
You are such a PAGAN. I told you where Yahweh is, I even gave you scripture. Your jesus is a fake and you know it. If you were about truth we would be about more knowledge, John 16:32-33; Yahweh is not divided as your pagan is, talk about gold and silver, Jesus has it all, look at all the statues you have made of him.
 
You don't see any statues of Yahweh, do you.
You celebrate pagan holidays, there is no scripture for.
You won't find Eric making a chump out of himself over a pagan program.
 
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From: joie Sent: 10/13/2003 11:10 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameSearERIC</NOBR> Sent: 10/13/2003 5:29 PM
You are such a PAGAN. I told you where Yahweh is, I even gave you scripture. Your jesus is a fake and you know it. If you were about truth we would be about more knowledge, John 16:32-33; Yahweh is not divided as your pagan is, talk about gold and silver, Jesus has it all, look at all the statues you have made of him.
 
You don't see any statues of Yahweh, do you.
You celebrate pagan holidays, there is no scripture for.
You won't find Eric making a chump out of himself over a pagan program.

Eric, what Bible is that supposed to be read in?  You told me to read a passage in the Scripture...but what Scripture? That is what I asked you, what book is this supposed to be in?  How am I to read it since I only read the KJV which you have denounced as evil, corrupted and told us that God did not allow any translations of his word.

You and your twin brother, Echo (probably the same person)--said all translations are corrupt and not true Word of God. so, now you give Scripture referrences for me to read--- but I cannot read Hebrew, which you claim is the only true word.....so how am I to read it?

How do you read it?  Can you read ancient Hebrew?  Do you have a copy of the original manuscript?  If not, whose word are you taking to say all this mess from?  What is your authority?  You say there it is in Romans 1..... but how do I know the original Manuscript had a Romans in it?  How do I know it had a Paul in it? or a John?   Hey.....J......John?  huh?  there were no  'Js' so there could be no John...just be hun.? 

Which is it?  Huhn 3:16?   No J huh?

No Joel... No Joshua.  etc.  And now you are telling us your authority comes out of John....... in what book?

You are talking to the wrong person about holidays and statues.  Isaiah and I do NOT have a thing to do with them and you know it.  We teach against this evil. Where do you teach against it?

By the way CHURCH is all over the Word of God.  And I am part of Jesus' true Church and your twisted up mind cannot change it.

Jesus will put you into hell.



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From: MSN Nickname®Larry_W_B_1©Sent: 9/18/2006 4:29 PM
Recommend  Message 26 of 47 in Discussion 
From: joie Sent: 10/13/2003 11:21 PM
By the way, Echo...opps, meant Eric,
 
They say the original Hebrew did not have chapters and verses, so how is it that you quote from a chapter and verse?  Is you is or is you not going by the original Book?  Tell us plainly,  where is your authority to denounce the Son of God and His Church as pagan idols?
 
Where is your authority?  What Book?  Tell me;  don't tell me to go read John,  for there could be no John in the first book.  It must be hun.

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From: Isaiah Sent: 10/13/2003 11:27 PM
joie it is suppose to rhyme hunn- yuann or yohn-hohn. Poet and don't know it make a rhyme everytime.  

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From: Isaiah Sent: 10/14/2003 12:11 AM
You are such a PAGAN. I told you where Yahweh is, I even gave you scripture. Your jesus is a fake and you know it. If you were about truth we would be about more knowledge, John 16:32-33; ( Eric) 
In what book is this supposed to be in Eric? Surely not the KJV that you said was dead. Do you have a yoo- hoo or boo-boo book. If so post it here for us to read or is it in Hebrew. Where is your book from? Surely you are not talking about John? Because you have stated that the 'J' was left out of the Hebrew book. O, was you talking aboot Yohn, well if SO the KJV MUSTA LEFT THAT ONE OUT. I See it not. Surely you can copy and paste it for us to see what you are wanting us to look at. Would you be so kind to do that fer us?        

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From: Isaiah Sent: 10/14/2003 12:19 AM
Do you know Him today.
Do not turn Him away.
Oh Jesus, oh Jesus.
Without Him how lost I would be.

Without Him I could do nothing.
Without Him I would surely fail.
Without Him I would be drifting.
Like a ship without a sail.

Do you know Him today.
Do not turn Him away.
Oh Jesus, oh Jesus.
Without Him how lost I would be.

Without Him I would be dying.
Without Him I'd be enslaved.
Without Him I would be hopeless.
But with Jesus, thank God, I am saved.

Do you know Hime today.
Do not turn Him away.
Oh Jesus, oh Jesus.
Without Him I could do nothing.
But with Him I am saved.

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameSearERIC</NOBR> Sent: 10/14/2003 12:48 AM
I will not waste my time reading it for you.  You need to come to a profound knowledge and understanding of Yahweh and where He is.  I don't, He has showed me, and you don't want me to show you, too bad for you!  KJV John 16: 32-33. 
 
You keep avoiding proving anything, just asking childish questions.  You remind me of the school yard bum, thought by screaming his head off, he was right, no wonder there is no peace in your life, all that screaming and saying nothing, boo-hoo, what is that, wisdom? Yiiikes
 
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From: Isaiah Sent: 10/14/2003 12:57 AM
I am not the one asking foolish questions you are the one giving foolish answers. One time you say the KJV is corrupt and dead and one time you tell me to go to the KJV for an answer. I ask you question to try to see what you can answer with. I thought yahew might have a special bible for yall folks that you could quote from. Yet you have not showed me any thing, but all you have done is send me to The KJV which you say is corrupt. Prove your god if you can.


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From: MSN Nickname®Larry_W_B_1©Sent: 9/18/2006 4:32 PM
Whew, finally got these moved  

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From: MSN NicknameSearERICSent: 9/18/2006 4:48 PM
Larry don't you have something a little more original ?
 
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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/18/2006 8:46 PM
Eric,  I asked Larry to move these messages to the new  'Heresy' board.
 
He is kind enough to take up his time and work to do this.  thanks

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From: MSN NicknameSearERICSent: 9/20/2006 5:04 PM
Reply to # 22
You know me Jo, I always have a weakness for you, also you know I am always ready to get a switch for Larry [smile].
 
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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/20/2006 5:50 PM
Otey, dear Eric,
 
You are always excused here.  we love you.
Jo

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