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From: MSN NicknameAbalo3  (Original Message)Sent: 1/30/2008 3:00 PM
1 Calculate the energy change in kJ/mol for the reaction Li+(g) + F-(g)--------> Li(g) + F(g) using the following information:
Li+(g)----------> Li+(g) + e- +520kJ/mol
F(g) + e------> F-(g) -328kJ/mol


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From: MSN Nickname·Steve·Sent: 1/30/2008 5:29 PM
This is another Hess's law problem.  The first of the given reactions is incorrect.  Here are both of them again:
 
Li (g)   ––�?gt;   Li+ (g)  +  e�?/SUP>          ΔH  =  +520kJ/mol
F (g)  +  e�?/SUP>   ––�?gt;   F�?/SUP> (g)           ΔH  =  �?28kJ/mol
 
This question is very easy �?review the Hess's law section in your textbook and give it a try.  (I remember you were having trouble with this topic before, so now's as good of time as any to figure it out!   )

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From: MSN NicknameAbalo3Sent: 1/30/2008 6:11 PM
Li (g) ––�? Li+ (g) + e�? ΔH = +520kJ/mol
F (g) + e�? ––�? F�?(g) ΔH = �?28kJ/mol
By cancelling e- I have:
Li(g) + F9g)--------------->Li+ (g) + F(g) ΔH=192kJ/mol

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From: MSN NicknameAbalo3Sent: 1/30/2008 6:14 PM
Another question
What is the best way to determine how many lone pairs of electrons are on the P atom in PF3?

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From: MSN Nickname·Steve·Sent: 1/30/2008 7:34 PM
The reaction you want to end up with after adding the two reactions together is
 
Li+ (g)  +  F�?/SUP> (g)   ––�?gt;  Li (g)  +  F (g)
 
Try again!  Does your textbook have some examples that you can examine?  That would help.  You can't usually just add the reactions together as they are given.  You have to reverse some, or multiply some through by some number, etc., before adding them together, or you won't get the correct desired reaction.
 
 
For the PF3 question, you just have to draw the correct dot structure, with octets of electrons around all of the atoms.
 

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From: MSN NicknameAbalo3Sent: 1/31/2008 12:43 AM
Li (g) ––�? Li+ (g) + e�?ΔH = +520kJ/mol
F (g) + e�?––�? F�?(g) ΔH = �?28kJ/mol
By reversing:
F (g) + e�?––�? F�?(g) ΔH = �?28kJ/mol
I will get:
F-(g) ---------------> F(g) + e- ΔH = �?28kJ/mol

Writing both reactions again:
Li (g) ––�? Li+ (g) + e�?ΔH = +520kJ/mol
F-(g) ------> F(g) + e- ΔH = �?28kJ/mol
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Li(g) + F-(g)----------------> ΔH =+192 kJ/mol

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From: MSN Nickname·Steve·Sent: 1/31/2008 1:52 AM
That's the right idea, but  1) you are still not quite ending up with the correct overall reaction the problem asks for, and  2) when you reverse a reaction, change the sign of it's ΔH.

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From: MSN NicknameAbalo3Sent: 1/31/2008 2:07 AM
Li (g) ––�? Li+ (g) + e�?ΔH = +520kJ/mol
F (g) + e�?––�? F�?(g) ΔH = �?28kJ/mol
By reversing:
F (g) + e�?––�? F�?(g) ΔH = �?28kJ/mol
I will get:
F+(g) ---------------> F-(g) - e- ΔH = �?28kJ/mol

Writing both reactions again:
Li (g) ––�? Li+ (g) + e�?ΔH = +520kJ/mol
F-(g) ------> F(g) + e- ΔH = �?28kJ/mol
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Li(g) + F-(g)--------->Li +(g) + F(g) ΔH =+192 kJ/mol




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From: MSN Nickname·Steve·Sent: 1/31/2008 5:31 AM
I think you're not clearly seeing the reaction that you want to get when you add the two given reactions together.  From message 1, this desired reaction is

Li+ (g)  +  F�?/SUP> (g)   ––�?gt;   Li (g)  +  F (g)

Note that you must have Li+ ion on the left, Li+ (g) with a +1 charge, not Li (g).  Also, there shouldn't be any F+ (g) in any of the reactions, but I think that was just a typo.

And when you reverse a reaction, you must change the sign of its ΔH.
 
 
Here are some examples:

Original reaction:
A  +  B   ––�?gt;   C                       ΔH  =  �?00 kJ/mol

Reversing this reaction gives:
C   ––�?gt;   A  +  B                        ΔH  =  +100 kJ/mol
The sign of ΔH was changed from negative to positive.

If we multiply the original reaction through by 2 like this:
2A  +  2B   ––�?gt;   2C                  ΔH  =  2(�?00 kJ/mol)  =  �?00 kJ/mol
ΔH is multiplied by 2 also.

Or if we divide the original reaction through by 2,
1/2 A  +  1/2 B   ––�?gt;   1/2 C       ΔH  =  1/2(�?00 kJ/mol)  =  �?0 kJ/mol
we divide ΔH by 2 as well.

Reversing the original reaction and multiplying through by 2 gives:
2C   ––�?gt;   2A  +  2B                  ΔH  =  2(+100 kJ/mol)  =  +200 kJ/mol
The sign of ΔH was reversed and ΔH was multiplied by 2 also.
 

When you add two reactions together, add their ΔHs together also:
A  +  B   ––�?gt;   C  +  D              ΔH  =  �?00 kJ/mol
D  +  E   ––�?gt;   B  +  F              ΔH  =  +250 kJ/mol                                               
A  +  E   ––�?gt;   C  +  F              ΔH  =  �?00 kJ/mol  +  +250 kJ/mol  =  +150 kJ/mol

Terms have to be on opposite sides of the reactions being added together in order to "cancel."  B and D cancel out here.

OK... try again!

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