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From: Greensleeves  (Original Message)Sent: 2/28/2008 2:48 PM
Come on over here to this thread & share a little! 
 
We didn't start cluttering from the cradle, after all.  At what point in your life did it begin for you?  When did you realize your cluttering habits were more than just sloppiness?  When did you look around & go OMG I got me a HUGE problem here?


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From: GreensleevesSent: 2/28/2008 3:13 PM
Mother always used to yell at me to clean my room LOL but I think all kids get that & are sloppy to some degree beause they know their mother will eventually pick up after em.  Like Brenda sez, the roots seem to be in your family history someplace.  Mother was not only a white-glove neatfreak, but she was THE ANTIHOARDER.  I still get ticked off when I think of all the stuff she made me give away to my cousins (who were destroyers of all things nice).  I still miss my dollhouses & it's been 37 years since she pried em outta my hands & gave them to my little cousins to bust up.  My entire 16-vol set of the Trixie Belden mysteries is pulp in a landfill someplace & that irks me as I love books & I did manage to hide a few of them from her evil grasp LOL
 
And I have never been what ya'd call the tidiest person in the world, either.  I would much rather curl up with a good book than clean any day of the week.  So there's procrastination rearing its ugly head.  One more chapter & I will....
 
I think it started when I got married, to be honest.  My ex was NOT at all helpful in picking up after himself, & the kids picked right up on that & followed suit.  I couldn't keep up with em sometimes, & while my oldest son would pitch in, the youngest one wouldn't & neither would my ex.  Then after I showed him the door, I had to work 2 & sometimes 3 jobs because he was unemployed for YEARS (allergic to work was my diagnosis) & zilch on the child support.  I was tired & had no energy & out of the house most of the time anyway, & the kids were busily engaged in wrecking it & not doing a thing to rectify that.  The oldest quit helping out because he would get mad that I would ask him to say vacuum & in order to do that he had to pick up a gazillion toys belonging to his little brother, who wouldn't help him with it.  The youngest sat on my dishwasher door & busted it, & I couldn't afford to fix it, so that made the kitchen a disaster as well.  My parents would come over & see this disaster area & yell at me for it because I was the grownup & so it was my responsibility to keep a perfect house. 
 
It was also about the time I kicked my ex to the curb that my health started to slide downward.  I have a slew of autoimmune disorders that began around then.  So besides the normal exhaustion of raising 2 kids alone & working 60-70 hrs per wk to do it, I had to contend with chronic fatigue syndrome, arthritis, degenerative disk disease, fibromyalgia, TMJ, carpal tunnel, ulnar tunnel, tarsal tunnel....I was a zombie when I was home & they took advantage of it.  Like I said, the youngest in particular was horrible in this respect & I had a lot of problems with him after his brother went away to college & decided to stay in Florida after (they're 5 yrs apart in age).
 
Anyway, I knew it was awful when my father practically got purple in the face as he was screaming at me that slum tenements on the east side prolly looked like this, & he was so disgusted he was never coming over again, & walked out (& never came back for a good 10 yrs!).  Then my mother started in on the perfectionst harping of hers & I tuned it out just like they tuned me out.  I was telling them, look, I have all these health issues, I'm tired all the time, I work nearly double what anyone else does, & this is not MY mess, it's your precious grandchildren who shouldn't be living in filth's mess!   Because MY room was always pretty much immaculate, it was the only room in the house that was, but they would never go upstairs & look at it & go ohhhhhhh I see.
 
After the youngest one moved out, shortly after I joined here, I was doing very well on keeping up despite my illnesses & long work hrs, because once his mess had been dealt with one final time, there was no one else to make one!  It was fabulous!
 
But to this day I still have a few "clutter hot spots".....my coffee table is always mired in paper depsite having afile cabinet & all sorts of baskets to put them in; my laundry is always backed up in a mountain because I have difficulty getting to the laundry room since the car accident last yr that left me with 5 herniated disks & limping on a cane; & I have always hated doing dishes the most, & now it's hard for me to stand at the sink too long.
 
So that's Greeny's tale of clutter awareness LOL....come tell yours now!

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From: MSN Nicknametesshughes44Sent: 2/29/2008 5:22 PM
Oh boy, are ya'll read for a "Book"?  Hahah!
I grew up in a big family.
7 kids, Mom and Dad, and occasionally foster children.
We lived on a farm.  So there was haying to do, crops to plant and tend to, tobacco crop to put in, hoe, top, sucker, hoe somemore, chop, pile, spear, transport, hang in shed, take down from shed, strip off leaves, pack and ship.  Oh then dispose of the stalks. 
We had dairy cattle.  So milking twice a day, barn cleaning, calves to tend to, feeding two and three times a day.
Plus fencing, yard work, garden to tend to, harvest and preserve. 
Plus in exchange for the use of some of the neighbors harvesting equiptment Dad "lent" us out as general laborers during haying and tobacco season.
Then there was school and school work during the season.
We were pretty busy most of the time.  So housework fell on poor Mom.  When we did get older and could be more helpful to her, some of us avoided it like the plague.
I would rather clean up cow crap than dust or iron.
I shared my bedroom with two sisters and when he was little, a brother.
My two sisters were not at all incline to neatness.  But then, we only had two dressers for all of us in that room.  No closet.  It isn't like we had a LOT of clothing and toys, we were actually pretty impoverished, but with that many kids...........
My one sister was worse than the other.  Everything landed on the floor.  And stayed there until either Mom picked it up or me other sister or I had a fit and piled it in a corner.  I remember walking over clothing. 
As the kids grew up and moved out, the eldest always got a room to themselves. Unfortunately for me, I had to wait until 2 older brothers and two older sisters went through that process.  By the time I got that room I was graduated from high school. 
I lived at home off and on for a couple years.  I took a basement apartment for a while in the home of the lady that I rode back and forth to work with.  ( I didn't have a drivers license yet.) I didn't have room for much there, and was at work most of the time during the week, and at my boyfriend's (now husband) place a lot on weekends.
That arrangement didn't work out for long.  Then I took a two room apartment in town.  NO closets, storage space was non-existant.  So thats when boxes became my best friends.
Stacks of boxes.
I lived there for a while.  Then I ended up taking a job in a different town.  As I didn't have a license yet, I was hitchhiking back and forth.  Not reliable, and not savory.
So I moved in with my now hubby.  I had talked him into purchasing a place of his own instead of both of us throwing our money away on rent.
It was a very small mobile home 10x55 with the hitch included in the length.  2 tiny bedrooms, a bathroom that you could use the toilet, clean the tub and spit in the sink all without changing position! 
Very little storage space.  So I got rid of a lot of items.  It was soooo easy to keep clean cause it was small, and our possessions were pretty minimal at that point.
But with each birthday or holiday there were more things to find a spot for.  Then we got married and holy hannah, where to put all the presents???  Then a year later we were proud parents.......baby stuff....eeeegads.
Within a few months of the arrival of our daughter I was so overwelmed I was having huge issues with being able to keep dishes done, meals made, baby laundry, hubbys work clothes, a friend gave us a DOG!  So I was spiraling into complete chaos.
When daughter turned 1 1/2 it was obvious to me that we HAD to either sell this mobile home and get a bigger one or look for a bigger home.
Well fate had a hand in it.  We were not allowed to move any other trailer to this property.  It was move this one and build a house, or keep this one.
So we found a place about a mile out of town with a barn for my horse (still at the farm) and our dog.  It unfortunately had an older mobile home on it, but it was a 14 x70 which at the time seemed huge.
So we fixed it up.  I loved it out there, we had a nice big back yard, a two story barn and 1 car garage.
By the time we got everything moved from the place in town, and then the stuff I had left at my parents place, it wasn't looking so big anymore.  Ok, now start adding the birthdays, christmas', anniversaries, and just plain more items.  The spare bedroom was soon too full to be a playroom anymore.  By the time we outgrew this place for our horses, every nook and cranny was stuffed.  I managed to keep the LR, kitchen and bathroom halfway presentable, but the bedrooms........omg.
Even the barn and garage were out of control.
We were too close to the highway too.  I had horses get loose a couple times.  We lost a lot of cats to traffic, and when the dog got run over in our own driveway we knew it was time.
We found a farmette in our school district, and a lot closer to where hubby works.  A two story, 3 bedroom farmhouse with a partial basement.  TWO CLOSETS!!!!  And a pantry, and a front porch!  A very large 2-car garage!  A machine shed!  A grainery/storage building!  HEAVEN!!!!
I had sooo much room!
A place for everything and everything in its place.  For a while.
Hubby developed a passion for Auctions.  More stuff.
Mom died.  Then Dad met someone, Mom's stuff had to go. It came here.  Grandma died.  Dad moved into her apartment.  Dad's stuff from the farmhouse came here.  A lot of Grandma's stuff came here.  Dad died.  His 2nd wife didn't want any of our family stuff that she deemed "junk" (she had to have everything NEW) so rather than let her toss it in a dumpster without family sorting it.........yep.........it came here.  A lot of these things can not be in a shed, they ended up in my house. 
When my daughter went off to college, her stuff stayed here.  When she moved in with her fiance' a lot of her stuff stayed here.  When they broke up, ALL her stuff came here.  When thier son was born we had to get baby stuff.  Here.  When daughter got ready and moved into a place of her and grandson's own, it's small.  A lot of her stuff stayed here. 
I babysit grandson at least 3 days and nights a week.  LOTS of little boy stuff here. 
So.  There is my book.
Siblings were supposed to come help sort and divide the parents items here.  That has been over 10 years ago.  A few items have been dispersed, but no where near enough.  One brother in Virginia, one brother in California, one brother in Nevada, one sister in Northern WI, another sister an hour or so from that sister, and one sister about an hour from me. 
Impossible to get everyone together at the same time. 
This summer I am just going to do it myself.  I will notify them when I am doing it, if they can come fine, if not, they will just have to accept how I sort it.
IT HAS TO GO.  I have had to insure the storage building all these years to reflect the antiques in there.  I am currently unemployed and we can't afford it.
Whew,,,,,,,there..................

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From: GreensleevesSent: 2/29/2008 7:39 PM
OK I see a trend here.....OTHER PEOPLE'S MESSES

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From: MSN NicknameGrammyBear926Sent: 3/2/2008 1:50 PM
I only admitted I had a problem recently, but I have had a problem for a while now.
I am currently in therapy to help me deal with the depression and we talk about the cluttering/hording, although my therapist isn't a "specialist" in this area.  One of the things he has told me from speaking with me, is that he thinks that once I get rid of a lot of things that I am holding inside, he thinks it will be easier for me to get rid of the "things" I have collected in my house.  How right he seems to be.
I realize now, that I started holding onto things once my daughter moved out.  Kind of the empty nest syndrome.  I replaced her with things.  I started filling her empty room with things, maybe so it wouldn't be so empty?  Then I really started to accumulate things when my Dad died, and that same year my dog died, within a few months my Mom died, and then my cat of 21 years died and since then my other 2 cats that I had for over 20 years have also passed on.  The most recent being last weekend.  This all happened in the last 4 years.   Once my Dad died, I went into a severe depression, and actually didn't realize that I was hoarding everything.  I can see things differently now, and see how they progressed to the point they are at.  Again, I am filling up my house and my life with things.....to replace the loved ones that I lost.  If I have tons of stuff around at all times, I can't possibly feel lonely, right?
You can see where this goes...............
Which is why I'm here, to work on making things right.  To clean up this mess, for me..........
I am still alive, and I have to live, and I choose not to live like this anymore.  I want a calm environment.  I want a clean house.  I want to able to walk from room to room without having to worry about an avalanche.
I will get these things, in time.  And I have decided to make that time.
Kat

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