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| | From:  unknownms (Original Message) | Sent: 28/01/2008 10:25 p.m. |
| When you love someone, you care about THEIR well-being. You want THEM to be happy. When you EXPLOIT someone, you don't care about their well being, and you don't care if what you do hurts them. I would posit that the opposite of LOVE is EXPLOITATION. And aren't Narcissists/Pyschopaths/ASPD's/Sociopaths so good at EXPLOITATION? They have developed it to an art form! |
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| | | From: suzanne | Sent: 30/01/2008 11:35 p.m. |
We do not need to figure them out. All we need to do is protect ourselves from them by pushing them as far out of our lives as we can get them, even if they are our own child.
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Subject: Re: the opposite of love . .
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The thing is we should never forget is that PN care but only about themselves
and the will destroy anyone that threatens their basic needs in any way. So
when dealing with one you can always remember reason and common sense does not
apply to their behaviour. NEVER! It is about their instant needs being met
and to .%^&&*%% with anyone elses.
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| Easier said then done, but you are sooo right. AMEN! |
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Your solution is what makes us "look" like the problem, like "bad parents". But it is the only solution that works. (staying away from this personality) Every year in grade school the teacher told me she didn't need his meds.. SHE could "fix" him. after a few years, I let those "fix" him. A desk pushed up at the chalkboard beside the teacher's desk. High school was better because there were more male teachers that were intimidating, and the shifting from class to class helped too. Still, rewards for good behavior worked....I was being trained by HIM. Now, he is being raised by relatives who didn't believe us at first..and due to painful family dynamics won't admit it to us. God was not lying when he said there is no joy for a father (or mother) of a fool.. And the biblical definition of a fool is one who is lacking morals. |
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| | | From: suzanne | Sent: 17/02/2008 3:41 p.m. |
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Your experiences exactly mirror what we are going through with our daughter! Her public persona that she has gotten more slick at presenting as she has grown older has us looking like " bad parents." I too have faced the disbelief of friends, teachers and other child "experts" and family members as to the extent of her evil. Now, though, I do not care. The safety of the my husband and other children are my number one concern. They come way before her. This is my life to run not the "childhood experts." As she approaches eighteen, we have made it very clear that we are through with her and she had better make plans to live her parasitical existence off of someone else. She hates this, losing her meal ticket, but not enough to change.
I am amazed at the arrogance of these disturbed people also. I thought it was just my daughter, but once again I find it is a common theme running through the emails from all of you about your children.
My daughter has chosen to learn nothing in school, even after all of the help, special classes, good schools, private schools. parochial schools, working with her for hours on end ourselves, etc. that we have tried with her. She has nothing to offer the world, let alone a potential employer and yet she thinks she is a genius.
Well, when she 's out on her own and becomes a millionaire, good for her. she can brag all she wants, I'm not listening anymore.
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Your solution is what makes us "look" like the problem, like "bad parents". But
it is the only solution that works. (staying away from this personality) Every
year in grade school the teacher told me she didn't need his meds.. SHE could
"fix" him. after a few years, I let those "fix" him. A desk pushed up at the
chalkboard beside the teacher's desk. High school was better because there were
more male teachers that were intimidating, and the shifting from class to class
helped too. Still, rewards for good behavior worked....I was being trained by
HIM. Now, he is being raised by relatives who didn't believe us at first..and
due to painful family dynamics won't admit it to us. God was not lying when he
said there is no joy for a father (or mother) of a fool.. And the biblical
definition of a fool is one who is lacking morals.
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| | | From: S11021 | Sent: 18/02/2008 2:59 p.m. |
I am a firm believer P's were born with this NP personality. I also strongly think the family can make a P worse or better depending on the abuse or lack of it, but I do not think we can change a P totally into a normal human. I also think that the P can be main streamed if he/she wants to be mainstreamed. And it is in their hands not ours. Do I think they will ever be normal as we percieve normal? NO! I also think wasting our time trying to bear guilt over who our children P's is a total waste of our energy. Someone mentioned the Bible and if you believe in that Book it is clear that these P's are not new problems nor would they be unusual in the last days. I think of the Scriptures found at 2 Tim. 3:1-5 which clearly describes our plight as parents of these P's and it was written over 2,000 years ago. So we can take confort in that fact that this is not something God does not know or understand. 3 But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away. 6 For from these arise those men who slyly work their way into households and lead as their captives weak women loaded down with sins, led by various desires, 7 always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth. |
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