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| | From:  Vera206 (Original Message) | Sent: 31/03/2008 11:37 p.m. |
| I have posted this before....I know that this is not a site about Child Protective services......I am in such a PLIGHT. I go on sites devoted to dealing with CPS.....and it is all about "how evil CPS" is and THEY ARE. BUT,,,,,I have (and I am sorry to say) an evil daughter........she is not of age yet, only 16 1/2. She trumped up charges against me with CPS......I am going to court this Wed. at the Children's Court in Los Angeles. For past several months we have been in these "therapy sessions" with some woman and her wonderful title...(see blog about Mental Health Workers).....she knows S**T and did not do S**T. My daughter was the one in control....she was originally son's therapist (appointed from DCSF but not part of DCSF (CPS). My daughter got rid of me for a reason..........because she is a sociopath. I can SEE it in her eyes,,,,,,,,I do not care about the diagnosis not to be made until 18 or so.......I know my child and I knew her father. She has COLD eyes, no empathy and would not care if I was on the side of the road. Yes, last Feb (2007)..I put my hands on her///but I did not do the things that CPS reported (because that is what she told them that I did). Bottom line, this may sound cruel, but I hate her..........I have a 13 year old son, just graduating 8th grade. I love him dearly....we have always gotten along. The escapade with the daughter has caused me to lose my son (and he hates her for what she has done)......I know that this is wrong board, because this is not about CPS......but just in case anyone knows HOW I can get my son without her. The DCSF is recommending guardianship to my mother, their grandmother.....but I lived with her too and have been shoved out of my house......actually her MGM wants to get rid of her too, she is only protecting my son from CPS and foster care......CPS has giving daughter total power and kicked me to the curb........any thoughts besides telling me that this is a tough one, I already know this......thanks Vera |
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| | | From: femfree | Sent: 1/04/2008 7:49 p.m. |
HI Vera. I'm so sorry. If only the next 1 1/2 years could disappear and you could legally keep her out. Any chance the daughter could go live with her father? I suppose that's too simple. I've come across parents who had to give up totally their parental rights and put their psycho children in institutions. It seems your daughter has provoked, pushed and pushed until you reacted and then all hell breaks out - on you unfortunately. All I can suggest is legal help and possibly the law society there can help with the name of somebody who can help you. I"m glad your son is safe now and away from her. There's that old saying we have somewhere that crazy people make sane people do crazy things. Take Care femfree |
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Vera, Do you have a lawyer? CPS has no right to your 13 year old son if you have never abused him. They can take your daughter if she is saying you laid hands on her but your son is old enough to tell the truth about himself.' Let the, keep your daughter...as a matter of fact you have to build a case against your daughtert that says she is a danger to others in the homw and now that CPS has her you are not taking her back becuase of this. Don't let CPS push you around, they will as long as they can. Get a lawyer on your side and go after your son. As for your daughter and the fact that we are led to believe that we are responsible for keeping them until they are 18...no way...we are not if they are not living within the rules. I went through alot of what you are now...My son was taken by CAS (Canada) and my other two children stayed home. He was removed from my home twice...once because I admitted that I had 'abused' him, and another was when I finally convinced them that he was a danger to my younger children. My daughter turned 16 and thought she could do anything she wanted and live under out roof...I didn't allow that to happen. I put her to the curb and was eventually called by our welfare department to say that I had to pay her bills until she was 18 They will ask you first if she is welcome to move back into your home. Say "Yes she is...I would be more than happy to provide for her, she has a room and bed and three square meals a day here waiting for her to simply decide to follow the house rules." Dealing with all these agencies is tricky, but we have to learn to be firm with them. Let them know what you expect! And get youself a lawyer if you need the help of one. They know all the 'keywords' and life with these kids is based on knowing the keywords... |
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| | | From: Vera206 | Sent: 2/04/2008 2:13 a.m. |
Dear Keepbeingtrue; Thank you for your reply....I know you are in Canada but I am sure the tactics are similiar if not the same.
I was arrested in Feb. 2007 because I laid hands on daughter but nothing to the degree that they said. I was in jail for 2 days and then I had to go to court at the children's court...the public pretender advised me to "plead NO CONTEST".....which I later found out was a mistake...the children were not taken into foster care at that time but sent back to live with their grandmother, where we all had been staying. The court did not take them until a month later at another hearing when my daughter told them that I was coming into the house.......see, in order to keep my kids, my mom the MGM had to agree to a restraining order against me. Daughter, then 15 blew the whistle and they took them...........this is a very long story.....but my children were placed in the home of a friend....until my daughter started getting into trouble and they no longer wanted to keep kids, as they were not real foster parents. CPS/.DCSF wanted to give custody to father (he is a P, I spend many months on the other sites here discovering the world of Psychopaths)....they were with him and his family back east 3,000 miles away all summer. My daughter then began calling me all of the time and texting me all the time "how much she loved me and wanted to come home". My son's and my relationship has never changed and is unwavering to this day.....I love him dearly and he is just a good person.....his genes arranged themselves differently.
I have learned a lot from this board and all the managers....Femfree and Dr. Sam and everyone. Problem is , that we allllllll know that you cannot tell people that you think your child is a "budding sociopath", but I know that she is and contrary to all this stuff about not diagnosing till 18, well okay........they call it conduct disorder. But, I know my child and she is her father's daughter...basically she did the "CARBON COPY" things to me as he did. She is a pathological liar and has no remorse and all the other attributes.
Yes.......I hired a private attorney,,,,,,,,,,and don't think that they do not drag it out just as a divorce attorney......more$$$$$$$$.
To cut to the quick, she is home, in my home that I grew up in,returned to her private college prep and they gave her a 75% tuition reduction....knowing what she had been through, never mind me. Child Protective services in the US attaches the children at the hips.......in other words if you allegedly abused one child, then they are all at risk. My mother, MGM wants to get rid of her also ( I don't mean that we want harm to come to her, we just want her to go away and live with her fathers family)...I hate to think that I will be kept out of my house until she is 18 (1 1/2 yrs from now)......so differently from what you were saying I am the one that is out of the house, that was the deal I had to put up with to get my son back as they had been in real foster care here in CA for two months awaiting a hearing.
Any advice in dealing with DCSF, I know that they are tricky.....and I have shown blatant anger to them in the past,,,,,,,,,I have a hearing tomorrow, they are recommending guardianship to my mom. I want that, because I want them out of our lives and then I can file a petition for return of custody in a few months......trouble is, I do not want my daughter.....it is too volatile...that is my dilemma, how to get my son without her........ |
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The way to deal wit P's is to call the police everytime they do anything that could warrant a call. That way things are well documented. I had to do that, and I had to tell everyone who had a complaint to to it as well. It did help. We tend to keep so much of it to ourselves:>) CPS needs to have a bout with your daughter in a regular foster home, not your moms...then they will be more open to listening. Yes, at first she will be so compliant and well behaved...but eventually, and it usually doesn't take very long, the complaints from the foster home will start rolling in. They figured out really quickly that my son was NOT a candidate for foster care...he was in need of a group home:>) |
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If your mom has any concerns about your younger son being in the same home as P daughter she should express them to CAS and have your daughter moved to another foster home. Don't just send her to her fathers...send her to strangers who will reinforce what you are trying to tell people. Sending kids like these to family simply "keeps it in the family" and no one listens. When skilled foster parents start voicing it it becomes a legitimate problem it seems |
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Since my I posted my story things in my household have spiraled downhill and out fo control. I am having similar problems. The kids haven't been taken YET, but it's a matter of time. My ASPD child is 17, and my other child is only 7, and he's scared to death.
I hope for both our sakes we can figure out how to protect our families from the true abusers.
Much love... |
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| | | From: Vera206 | Sent: 7/04/2008 4:40 a.m. |
| Is your 17 yr old a boy or girl,,,,,just trying to find others involved in the same kind of horror...their own kid betrayed them. My son, who is 13 is also scared to death.....I hope you have family support, I do not except for their elderly GM. What kind of behaviors is your 17 yr old exhibiting?? |
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| | | From: Vera206 | Sent: 7/04/2008 4:45 a.m. |
| I read your story on other blog,,,,,my daughter is also manipulating the system///a real con artist like her father.....the smiling face that lies. |
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