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General : I think my son as NPD
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From: themom  (Original Message)Sent: 28/10/2008 10:36 p.m.

I am new to this forum, and I am at my wits end. I have a 12 1/2 year old son, whose father is a classic NPD/Psychopathic personality - I realized this too late, obviously. I left him(with my child) just before my son's 3rd birthday.He has always been "spirited" and I had a few behavior problems with him when he was younger, but I guess I sort of chalked it up to the stress we went through when I left his father and had to live in a shelter for a few months. His "spiritedness" never went away, but we were able to get through the serious behavior problems as he got older. Kindergarten was tough, and he was tested for ADHD, etc at that point. They determined that although he was energetic, he did not have ADHD, and could not really figure out what the deal was with him. He got through the serious behavior problems in grade school, and he was very well liked by the staff by the time he finished grade school.

I will admit that I have not been as harsh of a disciplinarian that perhaps I should have been. Most people tell me I am way too easy. I let a lot of little things go because I knew if I didn't pick my battles, everything would turn into a war. So, I saved the punishments and discipline for things that I considered to be warranted of it. I guess I felt if I didn't pick my battles, my son would hate me because I would always be punishing him, and never just enjoying him and loving him. He very quickly learned how to push the boundaries and push my buttons.

As he has gotten older, he has gotten manipulative and argumentative to the point where I have to physically force him to do things. For example, the other night, I told him to take a shower, and it turned into an hour long battle, complete with me picking him up and carrying him to the bathroom at least twice (mind you he is TWELVE and I am only 4'11). The entire time he is yelling, kicking, screaming at the top of his lungs, calling me names, throwing things at me, and threatening to call 911 on ME if I touch him. He wanted to eat (he had dinner a half hour before) and watch a movie, I told him he could do that when he was done with his shower. He finally grabbed an apple from the kitchen and went into the bathroom saying - "I'm gonna eat, now was that so hard??" My roommate (who was hiding in the other room during the fiasco) told me after the fight, my son was sitting in the bathroom literally laughing at me. His laugh is another thing, it's almost demonic, and he will laugh uncontrollably, and very loudly, at inappropriate times.

The greatest punishment for him is if I take away his cell phone - which is his greatest obsession, but when I try, I have to physically wrestle him to get it from him. Then he will act loving and kind and respectful - until he gets it back. But, if he doesn't get it back when I say he will (if I say I'm taking it, we argue until I give him a definate date that he will get it back if he behaves), then all hell breaks loose again. Everytime I try to tell him to do something, he tries to contridict me, argue with me, and manipulate my words to make it sound like I am the bad person. In the above fight, he is still convinced that I was wrong, because I wouldn't let him eat. Every day I tell him the same things (pick up the living room, take out the trash, do your homework), and it just goes nowhere except straight to hell. He will say "not right now, or I don't want to", and if I push the issue, threaten to take away his phone or his game, then we get into a full blown fight, which he always laughs about in the end. He is very well mannered for everybody else - his friends mothers all adore him, and tell me how helpful and respectful he is when he is at their house. He is popular and doing well at school, and has a ton of friends.

Obviously, sending him to his father is not an option - his dad would probably say "he is better than everyone else, just get the hell out of his way, and let him do what he needs to do." I am a single parent, and unfortunately, he really hasn't had a good strong male role model in his life. I'm sure that is part of the problem, and my fault for being too picky, and not wanting to have another bad relationship.

I really don't know what to do. Everything about dealing with an NPD/Psychopath says "run away quickly and never look back." And I've read that NPD/Psychopathic disorders can't be effectively treated. That's fine for an adult relationship, But, I can't just give up hope on my child.

Has anybody else had to deal with this?



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From: XtraMSN NicknamesparkysmoonladySent: 23/11/2008 9:14 p.m.
Hi there "Mom"
 
You have to get tough
 
"Tough Love" is just that  - I was in  a Tough Love Programme
 
It's a 12 Step Programme and its message to the kid is "We love you but we hate what you are doing so stop doing it or take the consequences"
 
And when they are old enough ' We love you but we hate what you are doing so if you want to do it go and do it somewhere else
 
In your case - you took the cell phone - and had it disconnected - good for you
 
And you do have to pick your battles - so what is important?
 
I had few rules - something like
 
Where what you like to bed but take you shoes off please
 
If you don't shower you will start to stink and no one will want to sit near you - so you shower or get lonely
 
He was about 11 when I said "If you don't change your T-shirt grass will grow under your arms - it worked well - it wasn't long before he came to me crying because he noticed he had under-arm hair.
 
And picking your battles doesn't mean you are being easy on him - you are being easy on yourself and saving yourself for the big battles
 
Keep in touch - all of us here have had to be into Tough Love whether we ever got into a programme or not
 
Sparky
 
 

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