Thank you for informing me about PAS.  Never heard of it before.  Just looked it up on the web.  I wish I'd known about it right at my divorce 5 yrs ago, because my kids were still little.  Yea my son is too old now.  When he was living here John and I tried to get him admitted in a hospital for teens with problems, but the lady told us he's not "that bad" as the other kids there.  That blew up in our faces because he called my ex, told him all about it, and my ex screamed at us on the phone like how dare us try to do that without him knowing, and completely sided with my son against us like we were terrible.  Even at counseling the other day my son wouldnt let me pick him up, he had my ex drive him, because he was scared I was going to try and have him "locked up" again.  Instead of telling him "your mom is just trying to help you..."  No he completely used it to his advantage to make us look like monsters. They both think he needs "outpatient counseling" so that is all I'm able to do right now.