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Hello I'm new to this list and I'm hoping to trace my G Grandfather, John Augustus NESBITT. He was born around 1829 possibly in Worcestershire. His parents were George NESBITT and Elizabeth HUGHSON. John married Elizabeth CHURCH in Wee Waa, NSW in 1863. The middle name of Augustus goes down at least two generations. He died n Merri Merri, NSW in 1876. His death certificate says that he was born in St Michaels but that was probably where he was christened. It also says that his father George was a harbour master. Hoping someone can help with his birth details and anything about his parents would be wonderful. Cheers Robyn HORAN Sydney | |
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My apologies, Robyn, for spelling your name wrongly. Not a very good start! Marian |
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Hello Robyn Do you know when the family emigrated to Australia? Do you have any other info, however small, that would be help us in our search? Do you know names of any other family members such as John's siblings? Marian |
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Hello Marian, Thanks for getting back to me - and for getting my name right :-) I've only started to put serious effort into finding this man recently. I am not certain when he arrived or even which city he came to first. John is probably not a convict unless he went to <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Western Australia</st1:place></st1:State> first �?they didn’t finish convict transportation until 1868 and many left WA and came east. I got the following from his death certificate. His son in law provided the details and I am not sure how accurate they are. In Australian Colonies for 20 years �?this puts his arrival at around 1856 <o:p> </o:p> Place of birth St Michaels �?who knows where that is! Age: 44 years. This gives a DoB of around 1832 and is probably right. Wife: Elizabeth Church, <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Cork</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> Age at marriage: 31 years. His own marriage certificate (1863) shows no age but it would make him 31 when married. Father’s Name: George NESBITT, Harbour Master Mother’s Name: Elizabeth HUGHSON <o:p>I haven't been able to find any likely siblings for him in NSW </o:p> “Someone" who has since disappeared off the net had him as coming from Worcestershire. That person said he got it from John's son's (also John) death certificate. On John senior’s marriage certificate and his daughter's marriage certificate his birth location has been left bank. <o:p> </o:p> If George was actually a Harbour Master then that might be traceable. I’m not sure of the geography �?could it have something to do with the <st1:place w:st="on">Severn River</st1:place>? I read somewhere that there was a St Michael’s church in Bedwardine, Worcestershire that was known as a “Waterman’s church�? No siblings that I know, but his own children were called George Augustus, John (Edward I think), Elizabeth, Emily and William James. Young George then had a son, William Augustus. So they seem to be following a traditional naming pattern. But where did Augustus come from? <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"> Elizabeth</st1:place></st1:City> was my own grandmother. She married an Irishman and named her children any old how but mostly Irish names. The others I haven’t checked yet. |
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Hello Robyn Please accept my apologies for the long delay in getting back to you. We have been quite busy on the site and somehow I overlooked your search. Now, I have been having difficulty finding your Nesbitts on the censuses. However, this is what I have found: Christening record for John's father, George Augustus Nesbitt. GEORGE AUGUSTUS NESBITT - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 16 SEP 1795 Clifton, Gloucester, England. As I said, he is nowhere to be found on the censuses, so either he died before the spring of 1841, or else he must have been away, perhaps at sea. However, on the 1851 census I did find Anne Nesbitt age 49 born in Clifton (wrongly transcribed as Elefton!), Gloucestershire c1802. She was living in Claines with (?daughters) Frances Nesbitt born c1827, and Maria Nesbitt born c1831. In 1861 and 1871 we find Anna Maria E. C. Nesbitt born Clifton, Gloucester c1802, so I feel sure this is the same person. Could she perhaps be a sister-in-law of George? As she was listed as "mother-in-law", it seems that Nesbitt is her married name. She died in 1890. I also tracked down another Nesbitt family which I will post in a separate message so as to avoid confusion. Marian Manager |
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Hello again Robyn Now, I have found another (younger) George Augustus Nesbitt, who came from London. These are his birth, marriage and death records below. Do you think he could be related? Births Sep 1850 NESBITT George Augustus Chelsea 3 77 Marriages Jun 1877 NESBITT George Augustus Lambeth 1d 738 and BEDWARD Esther Edith Lambeth 1d 738 or GAMLER Hannah Lambeth 1d 738 Deaths Mar 1902 NESBITT George Augustus age 51 Greenwich 1d 694 I believe this is the family in 1851 when George was a baby, living in Chelsea, London. Unfortunately the full names are not listed, just initials. But the G. A. Nesbitt would fit with the one above b Sept 1850. J. Nesbitt Head 44 General Merchant b Romney, Kent c1807 M. Nesbitt Wife 34 b Honiton, Devon c1817 J. Nesbitt Son 7 b Putney, Surrey E. Nesbitt Son 6 b Putney, Surrey W. Nesbitt Son 4 b Chelsea, Middlesex A. Nesbitt Son 3 b Chelsea J. Nesbitt Son 2 b Chelsea G. A. Nesbitt Son 6 months b Chelsea Also 3 servants. Marian Manager |
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Hi Marian,
Don't apologise for any delay - I'm thrilled to bits by anything you find no matter how long it takes. There's plenty for me to follow up. I think I will start with the 1795 christening in Clifton and see what I can find around Bristol. Does the IGI record show the church or parish name? I've just googled and there is a St Michaels in Bristol. I've seen St Michaels referred to a couple of times si it's worth a try.
Thanks again Marian
Cheers
Robyn
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Hello Robyn No, I am sorry to say there were no more details about George's christening than I have given you. I would have included them as I know how important the tiniest detail can be. Hope the info was helpful and that you manage to get a bit further along in your family research. Let us know if you need any more help. Marian Manager |
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Hi again Marian,
For the second family that you discovered - I just found the following in Ladywell & Brockley Cemetery:
10204. George Augustus NESBIT 1850 1902 Husband Esther Edith NESBIT 1918 61 Wife
So they may not be connected but it reminded me to search Nesbit (one t) as well. Thanks for all your help.
Cheers
Robyn
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Hi Robyn I came across this in my notes. It might be totally irrelevant to your family, but though I ought to post it anyway as you can never be too sure. ELIZABETH NIZBUT Christening: 10 OCT 1802 Bockleton, Worcester, England Parents: Father: GEORGE NIZBUT Family Mother: ELIZABETH Marian Manager |
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Nizbut! Good heavens - now that's not a spelling I would have thought of for Nesbitt. It's interesting because my first informant said they were from Worcester. It's certainly in the right time frame, and the parent's names are right.
Marian, how do I go about buying English certificates?
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Yes, Robyn, I thought that was a very funny spelling! Now, this is the English GRO site where you can order your certificates for BMD's from 1837 onwards. They cost £7.00 each. You will need to have the GRO reference for the certificate you are ordering, as well as the year and quarter. Hope you also received my e-mail of yesterday's date with those sites. Marian |
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Hi Marion,
You were helping me a month or so ago with John Augustus NESBITT who I thought had been born in St Michaels, somewhere in England. I just got the birth certificate of one of his sons and it said that John's birthplace was St Michaels, Azores, Portugal! With that clue I've now found two younger brothers for him both born in Sao Miguel (St Michaels), Azores. And several other Nesbitts. Apparently in the early 18th Century there was a thriving orange trade based in the Azores and several English traders went to live in Sao Miguel. There were Nesbitts among them, but I have a feeling that my family were more likely involved in the shipping industry. So, I'm definitely getting somewhere, but still can't find how and when they came to Australia. Does anyone know of any English language genealogy groups for Portugal?
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Hi Robyn Pleased to hear that you are making some progress. Who would have thought that St. Michael's was in the Azores?! Mike has found this site which might be of help to you. Best wishes Marian
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Thanks Marion and Mike,
I'll have a look through it.
Cheers Robyn |
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Robyn, There is a listing for a Jno NESBIT coming into australia in October 1854 on the ship Julia No other family members listed His age just listed as adult check UNassisted index for this record There are many spelling variations on these indexes so always check different spellings He could also have arrived originally in any state and then made his way to NSW The listings on this index are for victoria and some of the people listed also came on to NSW but are listed on the same index This ship came from a British Port Unfortunately for people who paid their own way there was not much info taken about them unlike the assisted immigrants Liz |
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