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Recommend  Message 1 of 12 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameTWOferBRIDGE  (Original Message)Sent: 12/18/2008 7:39 PM
.... where Good/Bad 2NT would have saved us.
 
The convention is used in competition, and you give up the natural 2NT. 
A direct 3-level bid shows a good hand, whereas
2NT! ( Lebensohl-like) relays to 3C! and your next bid shows a minimum hand:
 
1)  
      .----------------------------------------------------.
   |Dealer: N          ===North========     Brd# 168537 |
   |Declarer: N        > Swap46             Scoring: MP |
   |Vulnerable: EW     S: QJ4                           |
   |Contract: 3NT      H: QT7                           |
   |Result: Down 1     D: QT843                         |
   |Score: -50         C: A4                            |
   |===West=========                   ===East========= |
   |> _TheAb_BOT       .----------.    > _Wonder_BOT    |
   |S: 763             |          |    S: KT982         |
   |H: KJ8542          |          |    H: 93            |
   |D: 6               |          |    D: A9            |
   |C: 876             .----------.    C: KQT5          |
   |                                                    |
   |                   ===South========                 |
   |                   > TWOferBRIDGE                   |
   |                   S: A5                            |
   |                   H: A6                            |
   |                   D: KJ752                         |
   |                   C: J932                          |
   .----------------------------------------------------.
BIDDING:
West  North East  South
      1D    1S    2S!( limit+ for Diam )  
Dbl   2NT   Pass  3NT  
Pass  Pass  Pass 

Using Good/Bad 2NT! :
- -   1D    1S    2S!
DBL   2NT!   p    3C!(forced)
 p    3D (min; weaker than if had directly rebid 3D)
all pass

88888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888

2)
   .----------------------------------------------------.
   |Dealer: S          ===North========     Brd# 168539 |
   |Declarer: N        > Swap46             Scoring: MP |
   |Vulnerable: None   S: Q7                            |
   |Contract: 3NT      H: QT6                           |
   |Result: Down 3     D: JT32                          |
   |Score: -150        C: AK83                          |
   |===West=========                   ===East========= |
   |> charlie576       .----------.    > jasmin1944     |
   |S: AT82            |          |    S: 96543         |
   |H: AJ7542          |          |    H: K98           |
   |D: A4              |          |    D: 9             |
   |C: 7               .----------.    C: T654          |
   |                                                    |
   |                   ===South========                 |
   |                   > TWOferBRIDGE                   |
   |                   S: KJ                            |
   |                   H: 3                             |
   |                   D: KQ8765                        |
   |                   C: QJ92                          |
   .----------------------------------------------------.

BIDDING:

West  North East  South
                  1D   
1H    2H!   Pass  3D   
Pass  3NT   Pass  Pass 
Pass  

Using Good/Bad 2NT!:
 --    --   --   1D
1H    2H!   p    2NT!
p     3C!   p    3D ( minimum open )
all pass
 

 




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Recommend  Message 2 of 12 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameTaiga_BridgeSent: 12/18/2008 11:06 PM
Good/Bad is a fine convention, improves a lot of competitive auctions. That said...

a) It's unusual to propose using it in these forcing (at least to 3D) auctions, and

b) I don't believe it is saving you here, where responder has 13HCP and a nice fit for opener.

I am a bit surprised by North's opening on the first board. I open that hand when I am not playing Drury to avoid rebid problems, but quite rare I see anybody else do that.

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Recommend  Message 3 of 12 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameTWOferBRIDGESent: 12/19/2008 12:10 AM
You are right on the 1st one, South will raise the "min" 3D to 4D ... ( which just makes) .

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Recommend  Message 4 of 12 in Discussion 
From: alanscSent: 12/19/2008 4:09 AM
2NT shows extra values, just bid 3D. If pard needs a heart stopper, he can still ask.

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Recommend  Message 5 of 12 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameTWOferBRIDGESent: 12/19/2008 2:15 PM
Alan...are you saying if not playing G/B-2NT, then Opener's 3D rebid shows minimum and 2NT would show extras?  or if you are playing G/B-2NT  that this is not a G/B-2NT situation?

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The number of members that recommended this message. 0 recommendations  Message 6 of 12 in Discussion 
Sent: 12/20/2008 7:39 PM
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Recommend  Message 7 of 12 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamekey_lime_precisionSent: 12/20/2008 10:57 PM
I play reverse G/B, where the free bid is extras, and the 2NT route is the weaker hand. It's a style thing.

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Recommend  Message 8 of 12 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameTWOferBRIDGESent: 12/21/2008 5:15 AM
post #6 with corrected typos:
 
 
I maybe able to answer my own question.
I Googled   Good-Bad 2NT and the first reference says that my 2 examples are OFF for G-B 2NT.      2NT would be natural.
 
   A rigorous and limiting set of rules for G-B 2NT are:
        a)  Only ON by Opener.
        b) Responder must have taken some action
            ( but NOT a game-invitational bid such as a cuebid
              showing limit+ for Opener's bid suit )
 
        c) Opener's RHO must have bid 2D or 2H or 2S .
 

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Recommend  Message 9 of 12 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameTWOferBRIDGESent: 12/21/2008 5:22 AM
Dwayne ( key_lime) --  when you say you play reverse G/B-2NT you must mean the direct 3-level freebid is the weaker hand, whereas the 2NT-route would show the better hand . 

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From: MSN Nicknamekey_lime_precisionSent: 12/21/2008 10:44 PM
The way I learned it was that freebid was extras, and the 2NT detour was the weaker variant. Dunno about the syntax of reverse versus normal tho specifically.

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Recommend  Message 11 of 12 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameTWOferBRIDGESent: 12/22/2008 1:09 AM
Here's ypur post on the same subject from Sept. 2006.... with an intersting "non-jump splinter" variation.
   [ from a post by alansc, entitled:  Whose at fault ] .
 
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From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknamekey_lime_precision</NOBR> Sent: 9/5/2006 8:10 PM
I play reverse g/b 2nt where 3H direct here shows a WEAKER hand than bidding the long way around.

I think 3H direct is an overbid. Not enough controls, no body, just a whole lotta nothin'.

I also use reverse g/b over a minor:

1m - P - 1M - 2oM
2NT then 3m = better hand
2NT then 3M = good hand, raise
2NT then 3oM = splinter, G/F, slammish, showing either 5-4 or 6-4
3m direct =weaker flavor, lacking 3 of the responder's major
3M direct = competitive

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Recommend  Message 12 of 12 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamekey_lime_precisionSent: 12/22/2008 1:44 PM
So obviously I have inverted the meanings here.
Or changed my mind in transit. I need to visit my notes again!

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