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Quantock Newz : The demise of Quantock
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(2 recommendations so far) Message 1 of 92 in Discussion 
From: yankee  (Original Message)Sent: 11/16/2000 12:51 PM
I am curious about how the school ceased to be,whether
it was lack of students,political-and how it became
an asylum.
Peter Samuels/Yank


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 Message 78 of 92 in Discussion 
From: KerrySent: 4/14/2002 10:47 PM
Actually, hope its not too late, but I would really appreciate a copy of that offstead report. Hopefully this reply gives you my E-Mail address, not really sure how it all works! Don't I sound the dizzy blonde!

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From: Mike (Blakey)Sent: 4/16/2002 12:26 PM
Kerry I think a copy may be availbe on Rick Joshua's site "quantockschool.co.uk"

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 Message 80 of 92 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameLaurieBoothSent: 4/16/2002 1:16 PM
Mike,
I've sent Kerry the Offstead report for Quantock School. If anyone wants it I will Email it to them. My wife who is a teacher has read it and says that if this was a report for a state school the Head and all senior management would be replaced and the school would be given a year to get it's act together.
Glad you all had a good time in London, I've enjoyed looking at the pictures, and don't worry your secret is safe with me. If you all have another mini reunion, why not at Quantock this August Bank Holiday ? I am looking forward to meeting more Jumblies and "never the same font twice, Shelley"
Be Seeing You
Laurie

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 Message 81 of 92 in Discussion 
From: Mike (Blakey)Sent: 4/16/2002 3:05 PM
 Laurie,
 
How big is the file. This community officially has a folder for files to be stored ( ie Documents ). I guess we could upload the report for people to download it as desired ???
 
Mike

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(1 recommendation so far) Message 82 of 92 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameLaurieBoothSent: 4/16/2002 3:33 PM
Mike,
The file is 78kB Adobe Acrobat Document. It's well worth reading as this document was sent to all the pupils parents/guardians etc.
Some of it I find very funny.
Be Seeing You
Laurie

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 Message 83 of 92 in Discussion 
From: OverlordSent: 1/30/2003 1:05 AM
Lee - as others have said you may have abused a postion of responsibility and trust (the fact that you weren't a teacher is a moot point - you were staff), but you did nothing illegal, so should not beat yourself up about it.  You were very brave to relate the story in such detail - respect.
 
I have never heard the full story of Doc & Donan - but I have heard enough to know there's more than I have heard (or something !). 
 
Its been alluded to elsewhere in this discussion, but I found Doc a very good teacher - though he's people skills left a lot to be desired and earned him the nickname of Psycho within only a few weeks of starting the school in Sept 86.  He took our class from an effective standing start at the start of the 5th year to O-level standard in time for our exams.  I don't know how many passed for sure but am pretty sure it was nearly all of us.   His attitude (Psycho) meant arsing about never happened (Ok rarely happened) in his class - though it did also make you wary of asking questions for fear of a wrathful response for a stupid question, or one which had you done your work you should have known the answer to.  I can easily believe that his behaviour and actions became increasingly unacceptable over time.
 
I also had Donan from the 1st year.  Until very near the end of school I didn't really get on with him though - probably because (not being a huge fan of English) I didn't enjoy his class and was only mediocre at it.  He was a good teacher though and I like to think that my english is pretty good now in part due to him.
 
Evidently though stuff happened and they were involved somehow.
 
In my experience, from 80-87, physical and verbal (=mental) abuse were principally caused by bullies (not adults).  The only physical abuse I can think of by adults was the cane, ruler and having chalk thrown at you.  These are abuse by todays standards but were not at that time (though I believe strate schools had banned them).  The ruler was introduced by Burgess when he reappeared at the school in the mid 80s in his intial role as disciplinarian.  Verbal abuse only really came from Doc.  It seems though that in the years following my leaving this became much worse.
 
Sexual abuse most assuredly went on.  Mr Burgess was a perpertrator - whether or not there were others I don't know, but would guess that of the staff there in the mid 80s he was alone in this.  This is not rumour, hearsay, chinese whispers - it is 100% hard fact.  Was it prolific - probably not as if it were then there would be so much supposition on the various threads on this particular subject.
 
During my time at QS I was on the receiving end of much bullying.  I hated being away from home.  I felt that the staff ignored my complaints about the bullies, and as the years passed it seemed that many of the worst offenders became prefects - just adding to their power and arsenal of ways to be nasty to their victims.  In short I didn't have a particularly fantastic time.
 
However.  At Quantock I learned many things about myself and interactions with other people.  It made me much more able to cope with my peers and their vying (sp?) for top-dog in the RN.  I made a number of really good friends and have 'made up' with my classmates who I have re-met through this community.  I had a fantastic educational opportunity (slightly bizarre teacher recruitment processes aside) and was able to take more subjects in the 5th year than any state school would have let me.  When I was able to do things on my own or with my small circle of friends I had a truelly brilliant time there.  And lets face it nearly 5 months of holiday a year isn't bad going !!  (including halfterms).
 
As a result my net opinion of my time at QS, with the benefit of 20-20 hindsight, is that it was a good place and I had more good experiences than I thought at the time.  Perhaps time has erased more of the bad memories than I care to admit - but I don't think so.  I enjoy a good laugh here on the community and with my former classmates about the various bizarre things that happened or were done at the school and these are the memories I dwell on and cherish - not hte ones of doom and gloom.
 
I have overcome all my demons from those years, but the school was definitely not sugar & spice.  Perhaps the school was a much safer and happier place in the 60s & 70s, perhaps bullying and the various abuses which DID take place in later years didn't happen in then.  But there are too many half spoken stories of untoward goings on on here for them to be just spiteful tales against a disfavoured person.  There is no point in closing your eyes and hoping that because you can't see the monster it can't see you - of course with your eyes closed you can at least avoid seeing its approach if thats what you want.  Wont stop it from biting your arse if it wants to though !
 
As they say: there is no smoke without fire and I can assure there is a fire.  Maybe a little one but it is definitely there.  Read the text carefully and you can even see the flames. 
 
One other thing (if you're still with me - its been a while since I last logged on !) - Millfield made the news last week because two staff (32 & 43 yrs old) had been arrested in relation to internet child porn.  Part of some big international police operation.  IIRC from the article there was no indication of abuse at the school though... It made independant radio news here Hereford and also small articles in the papers.

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 Message 84 of 92 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameLaurieBoothSent: 1/30/2003 3:36 PM
Hi Overlord,
It saddens me to think of bullies at Quantock. As far as I know there was no bullying in the 60's as the head was so against it.I wonder why things changed ? Did the school get to big and boys felt they couldn't go to the head or Gerry with problems ?. Sad if this was the case.
Various abuses did take place in the 60's,we had Burgess at Cotham then Quantock before he was put away. 
As for Burgess and the others that belongs on the other Quantock Site.
I too have overcome most of my demons from those past years and found the Reunions have had a very calming effect on me.
Laurie
www.captainpugwash.org.uk
Home 01453-750395

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 Message 85 of 92 in Discussion 
From: OverlordSent: 2/2/2003 4:29 PM
Laurie,
 
Burgess got sent down ?!  Well that was never known when he was there in the 80s !!
 
My parents always told me to speak to teachers/staff if I was experiencing problems with bullying.  The thing is that I did precisely that, and I think as I did it so often they thought I was making a mountain out of a molehill and paid less and less attention to my complaints.  I did end up with one sympathetic ear in the end though ...
 
The funniest thing about the bullying though - was to be told by a couple of my class mates at a mini-reunion that they never knew how to take me at school as I might go off the handle at them !!  - If only I had known at the time !  They felt they were always giving me a hard time too, yet I don't remember them as real bullies - just part of the 'in crowd' so occaisional pains, but nothing more.

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 Message 86 of 92 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameLaurieBoothSent: 2/7/2003 1:02 PM
Yes strange that Burgess came back in the 80's, you can understand my horror when
I visited Quantock in the 80's and found Burgess there. He asked me to forgive him !!
Laurie

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From: MSN NicknameLaurieBoothSent: 6/26/2003 11:00 PM

Gary Younge

Monday June 19, 2000

The Guardian

A black face can still turn heads in Nether Stowey. Walk into a pub in this small Somerset village, even when Euro 2000 is on the big screen, and there will be that same momentary silence you will hear in just about any rural bar in Britain as you single-handedly integrate a social space.

A tiny stretch of time when the dart seems to hover at the dart board and beer remains suspended between tap and glass - just long enough so that everyone notices, but short enough that anyone could claim you were imagining it. Not hostile stares, for good-natured conversation soon follows, but the overlong glances from people not used to strangers and for whom a non-white face denotes not just ethnicity but geography. It means "You are not from here."

This is the Mild West - Coleridge country -where hills roll, roads wind and only the bleating of sheep and rustling of leaves disturb the silence on a balmy summer's day. But recently this apparent tranquillity has been disturbed by an attempt to house up to 74 asylum seekers from Kosovo, Sierra Leone and Sudan in a former boarding school in nearby Over Stowey - a tiny hamlet of 314 people.

Planning permission for the centre was refused by Somerset council. The inquiry into that decision, which was held last week, is being viewed as a legal test case for attempts to disperse asylum seekers around the country. It also risks being turned into a moral test case on the rights of asylum seekers to exist at all.

The proposal, which has been made by the Baptist charity Kaleidoscope, has aroused the kind of blatant xenophobia that most thought had been laid to rest with Love Thy Neighbour and the Robinsons golliwog. If some locals are to be believed, the arrival of people fleeing terror in their home countries will cause house prices to tumble, crime to escalate and even compromise the virtue of local young women.

The right has tried to portray these fears as emblematic of the Tory-led assault on asylum seekers - a bastion of essential, monocultural Englishness, according to the Telegraph and the Mail, is about to be "swamped" by unwelcome foreigners thanks to a group of do-gooding liberals. They have created not only a mythic sense of what Over Stowey is, but a demonic sense of who the asylum seekers are too.

These attitudes do not come from nowhere. William Hague has sown the seeds from which this particular strain of bigotry grows and the Labour leadership has so far proved itself too spineless to get its hands dirty and pull his work out at the roots. As a consequence, we have turned into a nation that can stand up for "humanitarianism" when it comes to sending soldiers to the Balkans and Africa but is incapable of dealing with the actual humans who flee the self-same conflicts. We have learned how to export righteousness at the barrel of a gun, we just cannot bring ourselves to distribute it through the Home Office on our own doorstep.

In the church in Over Stowey there is a picture of Msusi Nyanzi - a young boy they have sponsored from Uganda. One wonders what reception he would get if, like Clare Boylan's Black Baby, he turned up one day and asked for his benefactors to provide him with the kind of Christian charity that actually made a difference to their daily lives. Probably the same reaction as the displaced families of Bujumbura, whose pictures stand nearby on the board devoted to the Mothers' Union.

Not that everyone in Over Stowey is a bigot: far from it. Some express concern that the area is not equipped to cope with such large numbers - the nearest pub, shop or post office is more than a mile away from the hostel and the bus to the nearest big town, Bridgwater, comes only twice a week.

They have a point. The location of Quantock Lodge, where the asylum seekers would be housed, is more suitable for a hospice than a hostel. It is set in woodland off the road and a good 15 minutes walk from Over Stowey itself. True, there is a swimming pool, sports pitches and arts centre in the former school - which paradoxically some local people also resent - and Kaleidoscope plans to run a minibus to Bristol, Bridgwater and Nether Stowey. But it remains extremely isolated - possibly ideal for people suffering from traumatic experiences but hopeless for those who want to exercise some independence.

Somehow, however, one gets the feeling that if the asylum seekers were white Zimbabwean farmers on the run from Mugabe, we would not be talking about bus services and walking distances. It is also a very small community in which to place a relatively large group of people. But then Over Stowey has already shown that it can cope with this. The idea that it has been a haven of pure, lily-white Englishness is bogus, not the asylum seekers. The Lodge used to be a private school that took in a large number of Hong Kong Chinese. But they were wealthy and not, at the time, national hate figures.

There is little doubt that the arrival of asylum seekers will change Over Stowey and the surrounding area. The trouble is the automatic presumption that it will change for the worse, the notion that all that 74 people from different parts of the globe can bring to a small, ageing, rural area is crime and destitution, that an area where black people are still to be stared at has nothing to learn about the modern world.

Not everyone in the area believes that. Several local people are strongly in favour of the plans. The debate has pitted the vicar (pro) against the head of the parish council (anti) and split families. There have been petitions and heated meetings.

"It'll be great to have people here," said Suki Ince as she weeded her garden. She says those who oppose the hostel are a vocal minority; they say most of those who back it are outsiders. "Some of the things people have been saying have made me ashamed to be from this village. One person said they'd moved here from London to get away from all that. That kind of thing really surprised me."

When a visitor expressed envy at the fact that transport in the area is bad and yet the asylum seekers will get their own bus, Ince retorted: "Well, great. Then maybe we can use their bus."

Her visitor had not thought of that. And in just one sharp response, the focus had shifted from asylum seekers being people who will definitely take something away to people who had something to add. From a problem to an opportunity.

And then she went back to her weeding - seeking out the problem plants and yanking each one out by the roots.


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From: BriSent: 6/27/2003 12:19 AM
Ah, good old Grauniad..
 
Surely I'm not the only one that sees the irony in this article (proper irony in the dramatic sense that is, not the "Sod's Law" 'irony' of Alanis Morrisette).
 
The writer's own (regional) xenophobic bigotry in stereotyping Simple Country Folk is actually as bad as, if not worse than, that which he is attempting to ridicule.
 
Oh well, maybe it was his first real assignment. And at least he avoided references to tractors and phrases such as "Ooh arr".

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From: MSN NicknameLaurieBoothSent: 6/27/2003 12:46 PM
Not arf me ol' manglewurzel, nice to nose I'm a durty rich non hated Hong Kong Chinese lad !

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From: DerangerSent: 9/14/2003 6:38 PM
I am returning here after what has been an age, and I stumbled upon this thread. There seems to be a number of distinct strands of opinion, and I honestly feel that I am in no position to dispute much of what has been said, if only because I have no evidence to the contrary.
 
What I can say is this: I spent three years at QS from 1984-87, and give or take the few small issues (the natural feeling of homesickness, the food etc) I enjoyed my time there. Not once did I actually see or hear of any sexual abuse, though long after I left I can see how some things were "not quite right". First, Mr Burgess. In my time in the Stable Block with Burgess as housemaster, I saw nothing untoward. This was probably due to the fact that in spite of my being friends with him, he never once tried anything close to being physical. I was aware of him engaging in what looked like "friendly hugs" with other pupils, but he stopped short of this with me. Yes, there were the "favours". He took WWW and me to a restaurant down the road once. He gave me exotic foods that he had bought. But this was as far as it went.
 
Maybe Bungle avoided the physical contact thing with me because he could "smell" my aversion. I had always been that little bit aloof. I did feel that Burgess was only at the school for old times sake though - his teaching days were long gone, and his dalliance with teaching computer science - where most of us ended up playing games on shitty Toshiba MSX's - were nothing short of a disaster.
 
Psycho Peters. Sure, the man was a bag of nervous energy and latent aggression. On many occasions I saw him show this, but it always stopped short of actual GBH. Again, maybe it was due to my being good at chemistry, I don't know. The only time I feared going to see him was when I had nicked a bottle of bismuth shavings from the "death trap" in the lab - after being forced to admit my crime by a few others, I made my way to his room (then in the sports hall block) and knocked on the door. I handed over the bottle and apologised, and that was that. Not a word was said about it afterwards. Peters was a fantastic teacher, and it was because of him that I was able to pass my chemistry O-level. His predecessor Andy Robins was a nice guy, but his teaching skills were as useful as his flared trousers were to the fashion industry.
 
In honesty I don't think much could be read into it, but I did once have a bit of a spat with Bill Owen. During my first year at the school, I was one of Bill's favourite pupils, and never got below a grade B for any piece of work. In the summer of 1985, there was a camping trip he had arranged - after another pupil signed me on "to go away to the woods with Bender Bill", I found myself being cajoled into doing something I hadn't actually signed up myself to do. After I said that I really wasn't interested and that I wanted to watch IFK Gothenburg v Dundee Utd (UEFA Cup final, lol) instead, he simply lowered his face and said "OK, I'm washing my hands of you". I simply walked off with nary a word. After that, my grades dropped in art, although the standard of my work - IMO - hadn't changed at all. Again, perhaps I shouldn't read too much into this.

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From: MSN NicknamesimyfrancisSent: 9/14/2003 9:15 PM
Rick,
 
Long time no hear !!  Read your message and it kind of had me thinking de ja vu.  At the time a lot of things that were going on just didn't seem out of place but in hindsight (a truly marvellous thing!), there were countless warning signs and the bells should have been ringing - but, oddly they weren't: I guess we just all thought it was perfectly normal, acceptable and nothing out of the ordinary.
 
Our year were somehting of a handfull at the best of times but there was stuff going down left, right and centre.  How did Phil Tarr's face find itself embedded in a classroom table?, what did Mr Jones do to have an entire year complain to DP about him? and god forbid, you should see psycho errupt when he caught a certain student getting help with their chemistry prep from another student and not from him.  But in spite of these things i still look back at my time their with great fondness and wish I could turn the clock back to those happy days.
 
cheers
 
Si

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