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| | From: Silken2004 (Original Message) | Sent: 5/29/2008 5:01 AM |
Well... lemme see... where to start.... Many of you know that when I moved back to the Island I started working almost immediately but it was only a matter of a couple of months before I switched jobs to the one I've now been at since November, 2007. When I started at this firm, it was agreed that my wages would be reviewed after 3 months... The 3 month point came and went, and the weeks went by... Finally, at 5 months, I took the bull by the horns and asked my boss to have that talk with me. He came up with a bunch of hogwash reasons why a raise wasn't in my immediate future (such as.."We pay pretty much the same as all the law firms here.." to which I responded, "That's a shame when you have some exceptionally skilled people...") and I left his office feeling more than a little miffed. He grabbed his golf bag and headed off to the golf course... But of course, you know me... he only "thought" the "talk" was over... I applied for another job over the weekend and today, I was offered the position. It involves my working in criminal law (which I love) and personal injury (which I also love) and litigation (meh... I do it). It also involves a substantial raise. I told my current boss (who is off to play golf for the next 2 days) just as I was leaving work that I have been offered another position. It seemed to stun him for a minute (particularly since I have just finished 2 days of huge rush in a very complicated court application with stellar results) and he was planning to leave the office feeling pretty good about things... After staring at his desk for a few minutes, he asked me if I would be doing the same type of work. I answered "yes". I could take the silence no longer and said, "It's about the money... Victoria is an expensive place to live and I can't afford to work out of the goodness of my heart anymore". He said, "I know". I said, "I know you can't do anything about it since you told me all the partners have to agree and I understand." That made his face red and he said, "Whoa.. I didn't say I couldn't do anything about it and I can make my own decisions.. there's just a limit". He DID say that the partners would all have to agree to any raise he offered but I wasn't going to argue. He asked me when I have to make the decision. I told him they need me to start quickly... He said, "Well thanks for telling me just when I'm about to depart for 4 days." I said, "I didn't know before now." He asked me to wait until he returns on Monday... So my question to y'all is this... If your employer dragged his feet on the agreement he made when he hired you (to review everything at the 3 month point) and if he decided to NOT give you a raise (when that part was kind of a given if they wanted to keep me), and if he used a bunch of bogus reasons... All of this to the extent, that you went out and got yourself a raise with a new job... If your existing employer agreed to beat the raise you were being offered in your new job, would you stay? Part of me says, "they had their chance to keep me and had I done nothing to change it, they would have continued to be happy to pay me less than I think I am worth" but the other part feels kinda bad not to give him a second chance to better the deal. He's not a "bad" guy.. He's just a.. well.. a lawyer... Would you wait and negotiate? Accept the new offer and hope the current guys learn a lesson about underpaying their staff? I know my current boss needs me and I have to say, it's NEVER easy to learn a whole new bunch of files... But apart from that, I am kind of excited about this new opportunity to work in the areas I really love... What would you do??? Help... Luv n hugggs, Silken |
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KS... It's so great to see you posting again Sweetie! I worry when I don't see you for awhile and you know why... I'm hoping that my last "run" out of the interior of BC is the last "run" I'll ever have to do. Quite frankly, I've been a bit of a rebel all my life and it's demanded some extra suvival tools that my previous therapist once told me, "If you don't keep putting yourself in situations where you need survival tools, you won't need so many...". At the time, I thought there was a lot of wisdom in that, but the powers that be had other plans for this lil Irish/Danish kid so off I went, without having absorbed that where it would count the most. While at one time, I was all feelings and very little logic, the years have at least blessed me with the concept of "taking time"... So NOW... I just walk... instead of running.... LOL... I still go... but I do it more gracefully... Such is the life of a gypsy woman... I hope you're doing well Lil Sis... Luv n warm fuzzies always, Silken |
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Hi Silk,I think you shoul do what feels right for you...I'll be waiting to hear how this turns out,Steve |
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hiya Silk :) I know... yes its me... don't fall on the floor in shock LOL. I know I hardly post here but I do read posts and I can't help but reply to your dilema. I too am a paralegal and although for the past 5 years I have worked for a developer/builder, I have worked for lawyers for 25 years. I know exactly what you are saying. My advice... since you asked ... .. is go for the other jobs. With experienced paralegals being very rare lately, your current firm is obviously trying to meet their budget which caps wages and you are the one paying for it. I too worked for a lawyer that was never in the office and when he was he was on the phone to his family for 6 hours a day. I ran his practice for him. He took the kudos and I took the crap. When wages were discussed all I heard was... we need to give only cost of living raises, or you are very good at your job but you are the highest paid in the office and it wouldnt be fair to the others... etc etc. I quit... went to work for a builder... and it was the best move I ever made in my life. He hasnt changed... his current assistant gets paid less than what I made... and the lawyer survived the change. In jobs today, I dont think there are many employers who will put you first ahead of whats good for the company. My thinking has always been that I look out for myself and make myself #1 priority because thats what will get me through life. I say go for the new job. It sounds exciting and new and I agree with the 'get it in writing' part as that is the only thing that committs them to their promises . :) Keep us posted!!! |
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Awww Hawk Baybeee.... So few words but such a powerful message you send me with your endurance for my never-ending follies and such belief in me. In your "do what you feels right for you", I hear you telling me to trust my instincts because after our Kamloops coffee hours together, you KNOW, that's been one of my biggest mistakes is not trusting them... If I had one wish, I would wish everyone I love, a friend just like you... Thank you Hon! Luv always, Silken |
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Well VF... You and I have been kicking around the halls of chat and MSN for a long time now so no.. nothing you do surprises me girlface! (LOL... )... And I think I knew that you are also a paralegal... I am grateful to have your view on my situation. I'll admit, I am shaky and kinda gut-sick about the whole thing as I sit here trying to tell myself everything's gonna be okay... It's so stressful.. all this change all the time! Since giving notice of my intentions, I have had a couple of people tell me that the firm I am now with, has "dragged their feet" with them on their agreements as well. The one thing I do know for sure is that it isn't budgetary insofar as revenues being down or anything like that. It is just their habit to keep the majority of the revenue going into the lawyers' pockets and it borders on sociopathology. While I was talking with the bookkeeper about my wages last month, one of the senior partners walked into her office and told her he wanted a cheque for $25,000 for himself. She looked from him to me and her face reddened. When he left, she said, "I'm sure you didn't need to hear that, did you?" I wasn't surprised but all I could do was shake my head. It's just obscene!!! I have the same problem with my lawyer as you had with yours. He rarely turns his attention to business and when he does, he is so damn far behind, he thinks he's first. He expects me to produce complicated documents in a heartbeat and will actually make comments about how "it should only take me a few minutes". He's gotten into the habit of coming to me at hometime and giving me work that he needs done "right now". And a few days ago, I obligingly took a blast from one of the other partners for not doing something on an "expedited" basis when I wasn't told it needed to be "expedited". I hauled the senior partner down into my boss's office thinking that my boss would be man enough to admit that he neglected to tell me that the job was a priority but instead, he joined the other guy in chastising me. When the other lawyer left, I closed the door and turned on my boss to say, "What the Hell is going on here? Am I supposed to be able to read minds?" He stammered a bit but gave me the old, "Never mind - some people don't have people skills!" crap. I told him that I found it unacceptable but I know he doesn't care. As long as I will fall on the sword, he'll let me. I also heard that, "You're being paid some of the highest wages here and if we give you a raise, it's not fair to everyone else". Geezus... how to lower an employee's incentive without really trying hey? For the record, I will say that if I could go back to re-pick where I would focus my career, it would NOT be in the field of law. While the work itself can be interesting, the money sucks! It's too hard working with rich people while we try to decide whether or not we'll buy food or pay the utility bills... When younger women come and ask me about taking the training I took, I tell them "don't... it never pays off." I agree that we need to make ourselves a priority in our careers VF. I think this is where we truly need to take a page out of the guys' books in terms of being more assertive and less prone to these horrible guilt attacks when we feel we're letting someone down (as I have these past days). I'm too old now to think I am going to find that "wonderful, honourable" law firm out there waiting for me. Heh Heh! I remember when in my first years of supporting my first daughter any way I could that I had so many illusions of what it would be like to be a "para-professional". While I suck at waitressing (shaky hands and bad attitude toward subservience), I look back and think that such work is at least honest. There's no behind-the-scenes, ripping off the customer and smiling at them while we piss on their boots. The years have certainly ripped away my delusions. I am taking the new position and spending much of my weekend on here trying to brush up my procedural knowledge but I'm glad I popped into our beloved Fireplace to read messages... You guys are all so awesome! I WILL keep you posted on how things go this week... (Aargh.. I dread tomorrow with my boss back in the firm...) Luv n hugggs, Silken |
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| | From: bella | Sent: 6/2/2008 2:33 AM |
Silk, I know there is no point in saying anything but I am going to anyways. I read through each and every post here and boy you write long ones lol. Anyways, right from your very first post I knew your answer. You followed your instincts and your heart! |
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I know that evryone will read this...I know this lady personally over coffee at times when she was in Kamloops...she's a great gal,terrific sense of houmor and a very bright,quick mind...she'd be an asset to any endevor if people had enough brains to realize it.....YOU GO GIRL!!! Hugs,Steve |
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I know I write lengthy posts... I'm the counter-weight for all the lil ones... Didn't you know that? If I didn't write my long ones and we only had short ones, the Fireplace would tip over!!! LOL!!! Actually, when I'm writing, I'm also thinking but using my fingertips to "think out loud"... That started when I began to draft legal submissions where it was necessary to explain every nuance to the judges who didn't have a clue why 2 people were standing there fighting in front of them... And now, I cannot break the habit... But I usually sum up at the end so you could, conceivably just read the last paragraph and know what ole blabbermouth was talking about... lol! Thank you so much for your support my dear friend... I'll try not to chew yer ear off next time... Luv n warm fuzzies, Silken |
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You did the right thing Silken....proud of you girl!!!!!!! |
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So now the dellema becomes, you told him it was about money, and you accepted the other firms offer. What if he offers you more than the other firm? Do you go, or do you stay? Base your decision what makes YOU happy not just the dollars and cents. As much as people will say, money can not by happiness. |
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| | From: n99girl | Sent: 6/12/2008 11:14 PM |
If I can be Pollyanna for minute: Your new move could BE that "wonderful, honourable" firm that you want to work with!
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| | From: n99girl | Sent: 6/12/2008 11:14 PM |
BTW - that is a beautiful picture of you! |
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Hi Silk... Suggetion clear out all of the editorials. Did you get an employment letter that outlined all of these "promises"? Why not? I have found that when I have, there are typically fewer "misunderstandings". Its not a contract but a very good reminder that there are things that they need to perform to and not "forget". There is no need to trust any company. I have worked contract in the automotive field since 1985 and have been knocked about and learned a few things like that. Leave for the new job - Yes! The old job boss will do this again and more. Perhaps this is a bit crusty but few bosses actually care about their employees. Brian |
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Sounds to me like you've already decided. Go for it girl. I wish you the very best of luck. Keep us posted. Silverlox |
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