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I just saw the response to the secret on Oprah - Good show and think I need to get the book!

Corv posted elsewhere that THE SECRET is available online free. Here is the link all you lucky coable users!

Hey thanks for the tip

I am a big fan of the story behind the story of "The Celestine Prophesy". In my opinion, that is the real miracle story! First the author is turned down by every publisher. This guy starts selling the book, self-published, out of the trunk of his car. Then he gets published by a publisher... which is beginning to look like a miracle these days.

KEEP IN MIND THAT NO ONE WOULD PUBLISH THIS BOOK AT FIRST!

What happens next? "The Celestine Prophesy" becomes the number 1 best selling book in the WORLD between 1996-99! It was on NY Times best seller list for over 165 weeks breaking publishing industry records!

You might think that is enough... NOW THERE IS A MOVIE TOO! Holy cow Fatman. I bless the Celestine Prophesy and the writer. I am very grateful for this wonderful story. Hahahhahah.

Does this author have THE SECRET?

For those of you who have not seen this film, you may want to stop right here. You can also see this film online at this link: http://www.jonhs.net/freemovies/secret.htm

BEWARE! There are spoilers coming up!

Most people probably know by now about the book and the movie THE SECRET. I finally watched this film online now that I have DSL after all these years of dial-up. What do I think? I like THE SECRET. I do have some questions about it.

Basically, THE SECRET is about the law of attraction. What they teach in the film is what has been taught in many mystery schools. I have learned this principle many times in different formats.

I have read a lot of reviews good and bad on the film. Keeping in mind all this commentary, I watched the film. All the points in my view are covered.

1. One of the most interesting points brought up in the film, right from the get-go, is discovery. This brings me right to one of my first ponderings on positive nature, suffering, and discovery. The film starts right out with DISTRESS!!!! The film ends with some REALLY HARD CORE BONE CRUNCHING DISTRESS!

"..Out of my greatest despair was to come my greatest gift."

---Quote from THE SECRET about the author's discovery.

All, or almost all of the authors, gurus, healers and special people in the film all mention a great life challenge that comes prior to their self discovery. They did not sound like the casual tough time either. Horrible accidents, sickness, homelessness, great despair came first. Is this an example of suffering as currency? How does this fit into THE SECRET?

A master was speaking to a group I attended and apparently a regular follower disagreed on the basis that something is impossible. The master said that this was improper speech. Everything is possible and what he is saying is special work for the greater good. "God's work, Buddha's work, Jesus' work..."

2. The film has the Aladdin story in it. Apparently the original story has Aladdin rubbing the lamp and the genie comes out and simply says, "Your wish is my command." THERE IS NO LIMIT IN THE ORIGINAL STORY. The modern day tale allows for three wishes.

"God and energy... Energy is always becoming. God always was always shall be."

I don't question abundance. Some people seem to start out by selling one pencil and get 20 more. Then you see them pondering if they should issue stock or not. Some people only seem to need a pencil.

When ya got it, ya got it and get more. We always say that in business. I do think that people need to know what to ask for. That is often the difficulty. A person asks for a big trucking house, when what they wish for is really security. There are two schools of thought here. I was taught that directly focusing on the material outcome is an error. Focusing on the essence will get a person to the place where they are going the best way. This way, their vision is open to many opportunities... not just that one house. I have also been taught to focus on exactly what I am attempting to gain in the world. Truthfully, I have a strong bent towards essence.

THE SECRET does focus directly on the material. Houses, money, cars are the focus of much of the film. Even the idea of dating a whole bunch of women come up. Why is the focus of the film more on material gain rather than a fulfilling lifestyles?

3. The most difficult part of embracing the message behind THE SECRET is the process. They describe the process quite well in three steps.

* ASK: Decide what you really want, and ask! Apparently if you don't know what you really want, that is a way of being afraid to acknowledge what it really is. Write it, draw it, keep a picture of it! Do what works for you. "It should be believable to you."

* BELIEVE (ANSWER in the online edition which did not make sense to me so I looked it up.): This can be the difficulty. A person has to have the ability to REALLY STEP OUT INTO THE NEW REALITY! They have to go right into the vision of having in the asking step. Spend time every day focusing on this reality and carrying it with you. Remain positive so that the seed planted can break through the surface... Express gratitude. Anyone who has seen the film know that gratitude rocks. ;-) "Believe you deserve it." "I believed in my heart that I was healed."

* RECEIVE: Bring yourself into alignment with your dream. "Thank about it." That is not a typo. ;-) Joyfully receive your gifts and express gratitude. Belief Net has a small write up that mentions sharing too.

http://www.beliefnet.com/features/top10/secret/gallery.html Ten step process for THE SECRET, on Belief Net. It is a little different than the film, but a nice simple write up.

Kellog always says something like, "Simple is not easy." It is one of those simple, simple things.

4. There is an artist featured in the film. He is painting women turning away from the viewer and he is advised to paint more receptive people. It works! I think this is great, however, I did post before that you can create without keeping the energy as yours.

Weren't you excited when Jewel wanted to know if WE were happy now?

I go zooming down the road screaming songs of addiction, pain, greed and unhappiness. I did not write them. Some of them make me remember though.

People do seriously worry about getting over sadness, grief, depression and gloom to find their creativity all dried up. Don't worry though. If you can get through all that, and find that detached place the creativity remains. You can still go to the very depths of the emotion, capture it temporarily, but remain apart from it. That way you have all of the speed and none of the dangerous reactions. If it is not yours, or you don't want it, you have to let it go.

I say kewl. Can I get there from here?

Freedom is great. Most people have experienced difficulties at some point in their lives. Travelers can go back and remember that time with precision. Seers can see it without having to experience it themselves. Empaths can feel it too and learn to simply experience it without it being themselves.

So you are not stuck with all those sappy poems about butterflies and flowers just 'cause your happy now.

The film makes me question if you can hold that vibration with intensity enough to capture it and still be detached enough to let it completely go? I am not sure if I am willing to watch a movie without any conflict in it to develop the plot. ;-)

5. I do support the statement about standing up what you are for, and not focusing on what you are against. Mother Theresa was asked to march against war and she responded that she would march for something, not against it. Marching for peace... In life, there are times when it seems right to acknowledge someone's pain or distress. Isn't acknowledging of what you are letting go of part of the process? How do you acknowledge and yet have the expression to help lift someone out of where they are to where they are trying to go?

This has been my question for a long time. Ignoring something, rather than acknowledging it, often seems to amplify its affect of attraction. It is like running a secret program in the background, and not THE SECRET program. They mention in the film that pushing against the unwanted adds power to it. Perhaps this is a manner of pushing the attractive force too?

Other practical considerations are for illness. You have to tell the physician at some point that you are having difficulty with the pain, illness, or give some indication of what your problem is. At some point, a true expression of difficulty naturally becomes necessary.

"Incurable meets curable from within." I like it. But sometimes, you need to meet a little curable on the outside too?

I do have a strangely positive ending. I was in thought about death the other day. Sometimes I get this wonder why it is just not my time when I have felt close. I just don't seem to do it. With this thought I pulled the chain on the light, there is a huge flash and an electric noise. I feel intense heat in my hand, but that is all. In the confusion, at first I thought the light blew out. The chain was broken though and a little part of it is hanging on the plug going into the socket. I looked for a long few seconds. I realize that the chain I was pulling has fused itself to the electric plug in. It is snapped in several pieces one of which is in my hand, another on the floor, one on the socket plug and a little left out of where they all should be. The socket is black. I pulled what was left of the chain still attached correctly to the light fixture. The light goes on. Really, I am not sure what happened but I can tell you, I am not even burned. Close, but no Evonne cigar.

Please don't try this at home.

As far as THE SECRET goes, let's do it!

I investigated what really happened when I pulled the light switch. I have to guess that I was not still holding it and that it broke or slipped and flipped into the socket area. The only other thing is perhaps I was not pulling it from the bottom and it had bounced and settled toward that area before my pull. In any case, perhaps a better example is in order.

I am a huge fan of ethnic clothing. I was investigating saris, because I see people wearing them and some of them are so beautiful. I have not said a word about wanting one myself. Just days before, I looked at many photos online. A few of them I especially admired. I received three saris from visitors last week! One of them is the very one I was admiring online!

Abraham-Hicks ABRAHAM REVEALS THE SECRET BEHIND "THE SECRET"

Spell and Affirmation

According to someone I spoke to, one of the difficulties in making THE SECRET, is that there are two conflicting ideas of the participants. One school of thought says that you continue to focus on the goal. The other school says you ask once.

Asking once is similar to a spell. Continued focus is more the affirmation technique. Apparently, that is one of the reasons why Abraham-Hicks was cut out of the film. She (or who she channels) states to continue to focus.

One of the examples in the film of continuing to send energy after the idea is the man who has the $100 bill taped up to look at. The dream board example as well is continued focus. (The dream board is the pictorial collage made to represent life dreams.)

The person I was speaking to said that in a spell, you continue to send energy after it to make the manifestation. The affirmation method is obvious continued focus. I disagreed stating that I let the spell go and don't continue to focus on it, since that is pulling or holding the spell. My focus is releasing it to do its work. He says that the belief of releasing to do its work is a kind of energy sent after the spell.

In any case, I thought people might find the two schools of thought interesting. To me they are not conflicting. I teach both methods as a way to focus spellwork or on affirmation.

I use both techniques also. It is funny that they cut the film to only present one way.

I thought I would go over some of THE SECRET, section by section, starting with the title and introduction.

THE SECRET

The secret was buried.
The secret was coveted.
The secret was suppressed.

This idea has been brought up before on other message strings. The secret has been in plain sight all along? Hiding in plain sight is a very common tactic.

Just a reminder that the full original film is online at the link. It is the version with Abraham-Hicks included.

4:42

Bob Proctor, Philosopher:

...What is the secret? We all work with one infinite power. We all guide ourselves by exactly the same laws. The natural laws of the universe are so precise, that we don't even have any difficulty building space ships. We can send people to the moon and we can time the landing with the precision within a fraction of a second... We are all working with one power, one law. It is attraction. The secret is THE LAW OF ATTRACTION.

Someone brought up the point somthing like how those starving kids in Africa could just think more positively about getting food... and that would probably not be a success. It might even be dangerous to hold such an idea that thinking positively would work? I find it interesting that thinking positive could be dangerous for ya.

There is balance in everything... or not. A very small percentage of the world's people are wealthy. The majority are not. If it were the other way around, there would be no reason why anyone would have to do without. Although, probably no one would be labeled as wealthy.

Technology was adding to the leisure class for awhile. Well... everyone had more spare time or time for other activities. As technology marching onward and upward, people were supposed to be leading better lives. That was the vision but that is not that way it is happening though. Technology is replacing jobs and people. In some cases, rightfully so. Now a very dangerous job can be performed by an instrument or a robot. In other cases, it is simply replacing people as a cost cutting measure. How many times do we have to navigate the complex message systems of large corporations? Try that when you are deaf and using a closed caption telephone. People are being replaced in the employment markets. Jobs now vary vastly from what they will be in just ten years.

Dattatreya Siva Baba teaches his version of THE SECRET in the hopes of bettering mankind. It is his view that the statistics of wealth and poorness should be the other way around. And people do live in downtrodden areas where there is a great deal of grief, sadness and even violence. It is hard not to carry the negative mantra of the society, culture or neighborhood you are in. It has been done though.

You can think consciously and positively every single second of every hour about bettering yourself. Then you find out the kicker. It may suddenly occur to you to find out what percentage of the brain is involved in conscious thought? According to most experts, that percentage is pretty low. I have seen the figure to be as low as 2 percent or as high as 10 percent.

Now you realize you have to deal with the energy body or that mysterious pool of something else: The UNCONSCIOUS or the PRECONSCIOUS! Holy cow burgers Fat Man!

That is why you have to get ahold of some other thoughs or images, memories streaming at different levels. You have to smush those giant spiders of negative mantras cracking in through those cracks in between your thoughts. Those include thoughts that you may have buried so deeply they are driving. Repeating that the little conscious thought may not so easily add its flavor to that personal energy pool.

Aur: Somehow the idea of controlling thought ...seems an exhausting exercise at best, if not impossible. I prefer to sidestep the machination of the mind and consciousness all together and slip into the transcendent, bathing all prior levels in the silence of The Absolute effortlessly...

There are many ways to access thought. It does need to be simple in order to work like image streaming for instance. You are right: Forcing does not work. Controlling is not an answer. Creating is an answer. That is why hypnosis can produce results in shorter periods of time and in fewer sessions, than psychoanalysis. It accesses the other parts of the mind besides the conscious mind. (I cannot find the statistics online but I have been taught them. Hypnosis is a lot quicker.)

Meditation is wonderful for letting go of thought. There are processes in meditation for manifestation as well. However, if you continue to hold onto the negative mantra, you are defeating the purpose. That is why you start with the root chakra in meditation. My teaching suggests this chakra is for elimination. This is not just your regular bathroom exercises

it is letting go. This is what allows more movement up through the other energy centers. So the process that many people fail to go through, may be included in a meditation program.

Elimination includes letting go of negative thoughts, holding onto conditions of the past, forgiving. It should be easy, since according to people who teach this, the world is made to take this from you. It wants to take this from you in energy. However, you will see people spending a great deal of energy holding on anyway. Change is difficult and especially so when a person is constipated.

It is not hard to discover negative mantras at all. Take a piece of paper and draw a line down the middle. Pick your favorite affirmation. Write it 100 times on the left hand side of the paper. Every time a stray thought comes into the mind, write the throught on the right hand side of the paper. Often, people are surprised at the results when they pay attention to stray thoughts. In some of the practices here you can take that stray thought and decide you are ready to cut the rope, or unbind yourself from it! This can be done in a simple ritual and you will read these rituals done in one form or another over and over again. For instance, burning that side of the paper, etc.

This can be a valuable exercise even for someone who is meditating if they find that some paths are blocked. There can be some patchy movement up through the energy centers as well. I am also told that people face difficulties as part of their growth process for their higher calling.

It is not always so easy to get rid of negative ideas. There are times when we must go searching for the idea behind the idea. Some of those negative mantras serve us in ways that ways we do not admit to consciously.

When a person says something like, "...But I have been like this for 30 years!" What they are saying is, they are keeping "it." So how might something like hatred serve a person? Well, they don't have to take the risks of getting emotionally involved with someone else. Perhaps this allows them to stay by themselves more. The thing is, a person can stay by themselves in a more positive manner. They can be by themselves because they happily choose this.

There is quite a list of how to overcome negative mantras, which are thoughts like, "Geez, I am such a jerk!" "I am half-blind!" "Even my mother hates me!" "I am hopeless at math." "My cats are conspiring against me."

We brought up a few ideas already.

1. Cutting the binding cord in a ritual. (You gave one such spell in the previous post.)

2. Burning the negative ideas found while using affirmation technique. Someone sent me an interesting spell recently where you write the positive on the front of the paper and the negative on the back. You read the positive, giving them full energy. You release yourself from the negative in gesture and words. You burn the whole paper without ever reading the back of the sheet.

3. Hypnosis... There are gentle self-hypnosis and related techniques as well. Some of these I recently learned from Andrew Neblett and include simple acupressure points.

4. Meditation release through the root chakra. Interestingly enough, when the chakra above opens fully, which takes time and practice, the chakra below it resolves. This is assuming you are working from the root chakra up. The chakra above the root chakra is the reproductive or sex chakra. This is... the obvious. It does include ideas of reproducing yourself that you may not have thought of. Generating a family in the past, was a way to be productive on the farm as well. Also it is repeating your performances such as work production, ideas with others, etc. A sales person should have a beaming orange chakra. ;) They are sharing ideas with others in an attempt to share them together.

5. Karma includes thoughts. In creating with thought, the majority are subject to time and space. All those thoughts start to create. So you are now producing positive thoughts and find them stopped in their tracks. An individual may find they still have that sea of negativity. There are many ways to deal with this past thought karma. Recapitulation, regression, karma ritual, good deeds (Tonic for Tots!), and any process that goes back to deal with these old ideas. Karma ritual can also take the form of the more commonly known rituals such as ancestor worship, dealing with planetary afflictions in Vedic astrology.

6. Mantra... I prefer the old ones that tap into a sea of the millions of people (billions?) who have used them prior to me. They have been tested over time and some of them are from divine beings. Any process put in place by a divine being is always available for works is the rule. Some of the processes are very difficult, but mantra is easy enough.

I am sure others out there can add to the list.

The thing is, if the negative thought serves you somehow, and you do not go to the thought behind the thought, you will continue to bring it back. Look behind results of this thought and why you might hold onto it.

I was walking across the temple grounds with another member and he spoke about being a monk. I commented that it seems to be a tiring life. The monks at this temple often work day and night although some of it is prayer and meditation. This man said to me that he does not talk about what he does not want anymore, since he notices he finds those things manifesting into his life.

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